11 police shot, 4 officers dead after coordinated sniper fire at Dallas protest rally

Gatling wrote: »

But we're seeing on a regular basis is minor traffic stops cops walk up to the drivers doors with a a 9mm pistol and finger on the trigger asking for licence and registration and when the drivers do as they are asked to ie licence and registration there shot dead and the cops claim they shot because they believed the driver was reaching for a gun.

If a cop was that worried they could easily take cover at the rear of there cruiser while they cover a suspect with a shotgun or AR 15 .
It's piss poor training and lack of accountability that's leading to unnecessary killings

Please give a listing of these ‘regular’ occurrences.

So far this year 26 US police officers have died from being shot, obviously they going to try to protect themselves and in those situations mistakes can and will happen. They cant do every routine stop from behind a cruiser.

The objective should be to lower these mistakes as much as possible, not try to tar the whole force as trigger happy bad guys. A few seconds of video during/after a situation simply does not give the full picture.

You simply cant look at it from an Irish perspective. Only 2 Gardai have died from gunfire since the Good Friday Agreement (18 years), US Police Officers risk their lives at every routine stop they make.

Foxtrol wrote: »

So far this year 26 US police officers have died fr
You simply cant look at it from an Irish perspective. Only 2 Gardai have died from gunfire since the Good Friday Agreement (18 years), US Police Officers risk their lives at every routine stop they make.

Here we go again 1600 people have been shot and killed by US police this year alone ,so police shootings are a very regular acccurance is it nkr .

I don't compare the US to hear or the uk or other country for a matter .

But you have a big issue when a cop asks for identification from a person and in return the same cop shoots them for going to take the requested identification out of a pocket or glove box

Gatling wrote: »

1600 people shot and killed by US police this year apparently so yeah regularly 4 per day ,
Per state 365 days a year

Google isn’t hard to use, can you please do some research before spewing ‘apparent’ stats?

990 were killed in 2015, no worries though you only overstated it by 62%.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

Foxtrol wrote: »

Google isn’t hard to use, can you please do some research before spewing ‘apparent’ stats?

990 were killed in 2015, no worries though you only overstated it by 62%.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

Incorrect I believe

2015
1,186 killed by police

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Are there much statistics for how many white people are killed by cops in a similar manner as the recent black shootings?

Apparently some forces only apparently don't record police shootings or at least won't make them public

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

And your use of adverbs is misleading if I may say so ...''massively'' different levels of being armed is not what I showed. US has about 25% of citizens being armed and Sweden has 30%. The NUMBERS of guns owned are significantly different, though again not ''Massive''. Comparing statistics is exactly why the US sends police to other countries to have them trained in non lethal management of populations. There is nothing so ''incredibly'' misleading about using statistics in this case.

The US have no idea about how many people own guns, as there is practically zero registration. Recent surveys have it up to 1/3 of the population which is more than your Swedish stats (though not ‘massively’ ).

The massive difference I was talking about was from the OP who was comparing USA to UK, where 88 guns per 100 people compared to 6 guns per 100 people is a ‘massive’ difference and 42 officer deaths by guns compared to 0 deaths by guns is a ‘massive’ difference. So yes, comparing the police killings of the two nations is ‘incredibly’ misleading.

I’m still waiting for your numbers of Swedish officers dying from guns last year, I cant find news of even one, so I’m guessing this will be another ‘massive’ difference in stats meaning comparing police killing rates is again not worthwhile, those not as misleading as the UK numbers.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Are there much statistics for how many white people are killed by cops in a similar manner as the recent black shootings?

Apparently some forces only apparently don't record police shootings or at least won't make them public .


The Guardian newspaper runs its own database,
The Counted, which tracked US killings by police and other law enforcement agencies in 2015, and counted 1140 killed, with rates per million of 2.92 for "white" people, 7.2 for "black", and 3.5 for "hispanic/latino", 1.34 for "Asian/Pacific Islander", and 3.4 for "Native American". The database can be viewed by state, gender (1086 male, 53 female, 1 nonconforming) , race/ethnicity, age, classification (e.g., "gunshot"), and whether the person killed was armed (853 armed, 224 unarmed).[6] The database has continued to add new cases into 2016.

Gatling wrote: »

Apparently some forces only apparently don't record police shootings or at least won't make them public .


The Guardian newspaper runs its own database,
The Counted, which tracked US killings by police and other law enforcement agencies in 2015, and counted 1140 killed, with rates per million of 2.92 for "white" people, 7.2 for "black", and 3.5 for "hispanic/latino", 1.34 for "Asian/Pacific Islander", and 3.4 for "Native American". The database can be viewed by state, gender (1086 male, 53 female, 1 nonconforming) , race/ethnicity, age, classification (e.g., "gunshot"), and whether the person killed was armed (853 armed, 224 unarmed).[6] The database has continued to add new cases into 2016.

Link?

Did you even read this before you posted?

- It says 2015 not 2016 to date like you claimed
- It says 1140 not 1600 like you claimed
- It includes other law enforcement agencies not just the police like you claimed
- It doesn’t limit it to gun deaths like you claimed
- It doesn’t state that they were all innocent like you claimed (80% were armed at the time per your numbers)

Gatling wrote: »

Apparently some forces only apparently don't record police shootings or at least won't make them public .


The Guardian newspaper runs its own database,
The Counted, which tracked US killings by police and other law enforcement agencies in 2015, and counted 1140 killed, with rates per million of 2.92 for "white" people, 7.2 for "black", and 3.5 for "hispanic/latino", 1.34 for "Asian/Pacific Islander", and 3.4 for "Native American". The database can be viewed by state, gender (1086 male, 53 female, 1 nonconforming) , race/ethnicity, age, classification (e.g., "gunshot"), and whether the person killed was armed (853 armed, 224 unarmed).[6] The database has continued to add new cases into 2016.

The last segment is actually one of the most interesting as it gives an indication (albeit imperfectly) of the level of threat in the situation. Does the guardian database cross segment?

FA Hayek wrote: »

Where did the 1600 come from? Any source?

Actually I was mistaken on the figure of 1600 misread an article on a previous shooting

July to July figures shootings are 1306 .

tritium wrote: »

The last segment is actually one of the most interesting as it gives an indication (albeit imperfectly) of the level of threat in the situation. Does the guardian database cross segment?

Use my earlier Washington Post link

Breaks it down by gender, threat level, weapon, race, age, mental illness.

And unlike other poster's sources it is actually figures for the police and shootings, which is nice in a discussion related to police and shootings.