2 more police killings USA style

ceadaoin. · 07-07-2016 08:02PM

PucaMama wrote: »

One was a pedophile, his death is hardly something to lose sleep over

He shouldn't have been shot based on what we've seen. A full investigation should be conducted and the officers held responsible. I'm not going to pretend that the death of violent child rapist is a loss to society though. I've seen articles trying to pull on the heartstrings painting him as a good person and father. No mention that he has a long history of violence and impregnated an underage girl

Rothmans · 07-07-2016 08:08PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

He shouldn't have been shot based on what we've seen. A full investigation should be conducted and the officers held responsible. I'm not going to pretend that the death of violent child rapist is a loss to society though. I've seen articles trying to pull on the heartstrings painting him as a good person and father. No mention that he has a long history of violence and impregnated an underage girl

A known violent criminal reaches for his gun when told not to. What else could the police officer have done?

walshyn93 · 07-07-2016 08:15PM

Its dead Jim wrote: »

No, they shot them. With all the research you were doing trying to excuse the cops did that not come up anywhere?

Just pointing out how ridiculous it is to conflate a defensive use of lethal force with the death penalty is all.

Its dead Jim · 07-07-2016 08:20PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

Just pointing out how ridiculous it is to conflate a defensive use of lethal force with the death penalty is all.

Then what do previous convictions have to do with it?

In one of the cases the man was told to reach for something, then got shot when he did. How was that defensive use of lethal force?

LightsStillOn · 07-07-2016 08:37PM

Philando Castile was shot and killed while his daughter was in the backseat of the car. The officer who did that is absolute scum, there is something seriously wrong with the police over there.

Hans Bricks · 07-07-2016 08:46PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

Apparently this is the arrest record. None of this makes it okay, but it does help colour our imagination about what might have happened leading directly up to the shooting.

The #BLM brigade really know how to pick their martyrs sometimes eh ?

kneemos · 07-07-2016 08:51PM

LightsStillOn wrote: »

Philando Castile was shot and killed while his daughter was in the backseat of the car. The officer who did that is absolute scum, there is something seriously wrong with the police over there.

Publicly executed for not doing what your told bascially.

walshyn93 · 07-07-2016 08:53PM

Its dead Jim wrote: »

Then what do previous convictions have to do with it?

In one of the cases the man was told to reach for something, then got shot when he did. How was that defensive use of lethal force?

I'm obviously not talking about that case. Try to stay on topic and don't move the goalposts whenever it suits. Previous convictions might be of interests to people looking at the case. I already said it has no bearing on the legality of the polices' actions. That much is obvious to any honest person reading my posts.

wes · 07-07-2016 08:56PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

He was on probabtion at the time of his death so wasn't allowed to hold a firearm. He was also a sex offender with convictions for domestic violence so that would probably stop him getting a gun also. I know in my state a record of domestic violence stops you legally obtaining a gun.

If the gun was being held illegally, then surely there should be a police statement to that effect.

LightsStillOn · 07-07-2016 08:58PM

kneemos wrote: »

Publicly executed for not doing what your told bascially.

The ironic thing being, from what I've read about it, he was reaching for his drivers license as instructed by the cop. Boggles the mind.

walshyn93 · 07-07-2016 08:59PM

wes wrote: »

If the gun was being held illegally, then surely there should be a police statement to that effect.

Why would there have to be a police statement to that effect and how do you know there isn't one?

wes · 07-07-2016 09:05PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

Why would there have to be a police statement to that effect and how do you know there isn't one?

Surely, if the police shot a man, and the firearm was illegally obtained, it would be a pertinent point of information to present to the public. Secondly, people are saying that due to his record, he probably didn't legally obtain the firearm. Which may very well be true, but US gun laws vary a great deal. So I was wondering was there information that shows that to be the case, and I would expect a police report into the matter to have such information as it would be a pertinent detail surely

racso1975 · 07-07-2016 09:10PM

Can I ask a question and there is no hidden agenda here. Well just that i am too lazy to research it more.

There appears to be more white people shot by cops in America. There is also a significant amount of Hispanics and Native Americans shot, yet it appears to me the black people being murdered receives a lot more publicity.

Is this because:

a)in a lot of cases they are shot by white cops?
b) More likey to be wrongfully shot?
c) Have a very vocal rights groups that hop on it?

Its dead Jim · 07-07-2016 09:24PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

I'm obviously not talking about that case. Try to stay on topic and don't move the goalposts whenever it suits. Previous convictions might be of interests to people looking at the case. I already said it has no bearing on the legality of the polices' actions. That much is obvious to any honest person reading my posts.

I am on topic, it's in the OP. Just because you can't find any excuses for it being his own fault doesn't mean it's off topic.

walshyn93 · 07-07-2016 09:34PM

Its dead Jim wrote: »

I am on topic, it's in the OP. Just because you can't find any excuses for it being his own fault doesn't mean it's off topic.

I never said the man shot with his wife and daughter was justified. I don't think it was based on what I've seen so far. It's possible to think one was justified and one was not. It's not a package deal. The ability to treat different cases as separate issues seems lost on some.

walshyn93 · 07-07-2016 09:38PM

racso1975 wrote: »

Can I ask a question and there is no hidden agenda here. Well just that i am too lazy to research it more.

There appears to be more white people shot by cops in America. There is also a significant amount of Hispanics and Native Americans shot, yet it appears to me the black people being murdered receives a lot more publicity.

Is this because:

a)in a lot of cases they are shot by white cops?
b) More likey to be wrongfully shot?
c) Have a very vocal rights groups that hop on it?

There was a white kid shot for driving away after being caught buying weed recently. It was caught on video, it made a little bit of news, the cop got away with it and there were no protests. Some people just hate cops over there and want to keep the flame of white racism alive to increase their political capital. If it weren't for the preponderance of black men electing to commit suicide by cop a good many of them would be out of a job or have nothing to do with themselves.

07-07-2016 10:52PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

If it weren't for the preponderance of black men electing to commit suicide by cop a good many of them would be out of a job or have nothing to do with themselves.

Any stats to back up this claim of a "preponderance of black men to commit 'suicide by cop'"?

Muir · 07-07-2016 11:48PM

racso1975 wrote: »

Can I ask a question and there is no hidden agenda here. Well just that i am too lazy to research it more.

There appears to be more white people shot by cops in America. There is also a significant amount of Hispanics and Native Americans shot, yet it appears to me the black people being murdered receives a lot more publicity.

Is this because:

a)in a lot of cases they are shot by white cops?
b) More likey to be wrongfully shot?
c) Have a very vocal rights groups that hop on it?

When you take into consideration the population sizes black men are more likely to be shot by police than white men.

Potential-Monke · 08-07-2016 12:11AM

The Baton Rouge video, I believe, does not show the full picture. I'm pretty sure that as someone else said, he reached for his gun and that's why he was shot. Granted, he was already on the ground, but people can still shoot while being subdued. A single shot is all it takes to end the life of an officer, so, in my opinion, if this was the case, it's justified. It's simple mathematics, 2 cops vs 1 pos (person of suspect), if one of the cops thinks he or his partner is going to be shot, they will take approtriate action. This doesn't mean lethal, but when you shoot for the largest mass, it's usually a by product.

Second video, I think needs more clarification. So far, we have the wife of the man who was shot live streaming a video. This is one side, one perspective, which can legally be argued is biased. Until we see more footage, preferably the cops chest cam, I can't make a call on it. Remember, people who make videos usually have an agenda. Not saying this lady had, but without more evidence stating that the cop was in the wrong is guilty until proven innocent. That's not how it works. The cop did sound genuinely shocked that he shot someone though.

I like reading articles like these. I like to get all the facts and then make a judgement, but so many people jump to conclusions without all the evidence. I read a good article by an retired cop in America. He basically stated that modern technology, that is CCTV, mobile cameras and chest cams, are going to help the cops in the long rung, but noted that it should not be the only evidence a defence or prosection relies on. Sometimes, the cop sees something that no one else did, as it could happen in a split second, and may not be caught on camera. Call it a cop-out (pun not intended), but in my experience, that can be the case.

So, I believe the Baton Rouge incident was justified, and until we get more evidence from the second video, i'll reserve my judgement.

wakka12 · 08-07-2016 12:16AM

walshyn93 wrote: »

Tbf you don't know what you'd be doing in that situation.

I don't care how high horsey I sound but I can 100% guarantee I wouldnt do nothing to try and stop my loved one from dying no matter what the situation, like what even the ****, I don't care what the circumstances or how little she can do to help him or how shocked she is her behaviour is completely ****ed up

wakka12 · 08-07-2016 12:22AM

Also the american police force are ****ing disgusting pigs, I cant believe these scum are in charge of people's lives.These men are terrorists, they terrorise the communities they are suppose to serve and protect.

NufcNavan · 08-07-2016 12:32AM

PucaMama wrote: »

One was a pedophile, his death is hardly something to lose sleep over

Didn't know the f*cking Queen used Boards. Explains the nonchalant attitude towards a civilian death anyway.

El Horseboxo · 08-07-2016 12:39AM

wakka12 wrote: »

I don't care how high horsey I sound but I can 100% guarantee I wouldnt do nothing to try and stop my loved one from dying no matter what the situation, like what even the ****, I don't care what the circumstances or how little she can do to help him or how shocked she is her behaviour is completely ****ed up

She was told to keep her hands visible in a car that had a gun. I'm sure for the sake of her kid and her own life. She may have feared being shot if she moved towards his body.

There is such an environment for video taping on phones these days as often it is seen as a form of defense. One which people resort to a lot. I've been taped lots of times in the act of duty here in the US. I encourage it as I see it as a form of protection for me also. Most of the time it's unnecessary but it highlights the fear people have of the people that are supposed to protect them. I'm not local so I don't be out everyday and easily identifiable. But there is a real fear and distrust of law enforcement in the US. And unfortunately events such as these 2 examples don't help. Justified or not. There are always people who won't see the justification. Just like there are those that rarely see it unjustified. I really don't know how we get out of this cycle.

El Horseboxo · 08-07-2016 12:49AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Also the american police force are ****ing disgusting pigs, I cant believe these scum are in charge of people's lives.These men are terrorists, they terrorise the communities they are suppose to serve and protect.

How can you label an entire police force scum top to bottom? There are bad apples everywhere. I'd be willing to bet you've never had a split second to decide on an action and at the same time try to think if that action is necessary enough to get you home to your family that night. You can the most exemplary officer 24/7 and follow everything by the book and protect and serve as you swore to do. Until you are in a tussle on the ground where someone is reaching for a weapon, or you believe they are reaching for one in that split second, and you feel your life is threatened. I'm not justifying either of these cases as I've only seen bits online about them. But what I am saying. It is extremely easy to say what you would do until that situation.

Call Me Jimmy · 08-07-2016 01:01AM

Officers over there should be forced to meditate or smoke weed

ceadaoin. · 08-07-2016 01:36AM

wakka12 wrote: »

I don't care how high horsey I sound but I can 100% guarantee I wouldnt do nothing to try and stop my loved one from dying no matter what the situation, like what even the ****, I don't care what the circumstances or how little she can do to help him or how shocked she is her behaviour is completely ****ed up

I don't understand why the police officer didn't start cpr. He must be trained to do so. I felt like shouting at the screen help him ffs! He is literally being filmed dying. It's horrendous. Seems like they both were in shock

Bret Hart · 08-07-2016 01:54AM

PucaMama wrote: »

One was a pedophile, his death is hardly something to lose sleep over

Knowing that,I can know take great pleasure in hearing him moan in pain and watch,as he takes his last breaths. May he rot in hell,the piece of filth.

Killer Wench · 08-07-2016 01:57AM

Overnight, a young Black man was found hanged in a large Atlanta park. Witnesses report that the KKK had been passing around flyers earlier in the day. Police's preliminary report is that it was a suicide.

On another note: nation wide protests (Atlanta, LA, NYC, Ferguson) are taking place currently.

Killer Wench · 08-07-2016 03:28AM

At the Dallas protest, there is an unconfirmed report (via MSNBC) that there is a sniper targeting police officers in the downtown. Protesters are fleeing.

ceadaoin. · 08-07-2016 03:45AM

Killer Wench wrote: »

At the Dallas protest, there is an unconfirmed report (via MSNBC) that there is a sniper targeting police officers in the downtown. Protesters are fleeing.

CNN is saying 2 officers shot. According to people listening to police scanners it's 4.

2 more police killings USA style

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