2 more police killings USA style

BoJack Horseman · 07-07-2016 04:38PM #1

This one, Baton Rouge in Louisiana

And this one where a woman facebook videos the killing of her boyfriend in Minnesota.

Viewer discretion is obviously advised etc & probably NSFW.

Quite incredible though....
At some point that nation needs to have a conversation about its policing.

suicide_circus · 07-07-2016 04:43PM

Pretty ****ed up, glad I don't live there

Timberrrrrrrr · 07-07-2016 04:49PM

Words fail me.

FTA69 · 07-07-2016 04:54PM

Disgusting murder. Literally no justification for it whatsoever.

lertsnim · 07-07-2016 04:56PM

This is what happens when you give absolute ****wits a badge and a gun. Both those videos have cops losing their cool.

walshyn93 · 07-07-2016 04:58PM

For the Baton Rouge one there is a second video which shows the cops removing a gun from his pocket after they shoot him. Clearly the one they alleged he was reaching for.

Also worth noting that the reason the cops were called is because he allegedly brandished his gun at a passerby and told them to get lost.

lertsnim · 07-07-2016 04:59PM

Guilty until proven innocent so.

Tabnabs · 07-07-2016 05:01PM

That woman is remarkably calm as her partner dies on the seat beside her. I don't doubt she's in shock, but I wouldn't be sitting there filming by OH's last moments with a running commentary. Very odd behaviour (and scummy policeman obviously).

walshyn93 · 07-07-2016 05:01PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

That woman is remarkably calm as her partner dies on the seat beside her. I don't doubt she's in shock, but I wouldn't be sitting there filming by OH's last moments with a running commentary. Very odd behaviour (and scummy policeman obviously).

Tbf you don't know what you'd be doing in that situation.

07-07-2016 05:12PM

It would appear that the video taken by the passenger was actually streamed live.

BoJack Horseman · 07-07-2016 05:20PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

For the Baton Rouge one there is a second video which shows the cops removing a gun from his pocket after they shoot him. Clearly the one they alleged he was reaching for.

The link I posted was that 2nd video.
We can see the officer take something from the victims right pocket.... But it seemed too small to be a gun (to my eyes at least).

In the subsequent news conference the local PD refused to say what was removed from the person's pocket.

wes · 07-07-2016 05:25PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

For the Baton Rouge one there is a second video which shows the cops removing a gun from his pocket after they shoot him. Clearly the one they alleged he was reaching for.

Him having a gun is a indication of nothing, due to high level of gun ownership in the US. As long as he owned the gun legally, and had the right to carry it via the relevant permits, then its no indication of criminal intent.

The US has a very different culture to us, where people carrying a gun are not necessarily up to no good.

ceadaoin. · 07-07-2016 05:32PM

wes wrote: »

Him having a gun is a indication of nothing, due to high level of gun ownership in the US. As long as he owned the gun legally, and had the right to carry it via the relevant permits, then its no indication of criminal intent.

The US has a very different culture to us, where people carrying a gun are not necessarily up to no good.

He was on probabtion at the time of his death so wasn't allowed to hold a firearm. He was also a sex offender with convictions for domestic violence so that would probably stop him getting a gun also. I know in my state a record of domestic violence stops you legally obtaining a gun.

the_syco · 07-07-2016 05:34PM

The cops at Baton Rouge were stupid. The other one, not sure. Seems he told the cop he had a gun, and then made stupid movements.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-07-2016 05:34PM

I'll check out fox news for a laugh to see how they handle it.

The pro gun right ring characters usually trot out the line that carrying a gun makes people more safe. They must mean makes proper white people more safe because carrying a gun didn't work out great for those 2 fellas.

The guy who played Bunk Morland in The Wire spoke about his before. He said he keeps his wallet and driving licence on the dashboard so that when he's pulled over by a police officer he won't have to reach into his pocket and he can keep his hands visible to the police officer.

I know people get sick of hearing about race but that's a Scarry reality to live with.

Eramen · 07-07-2016 05:36PM

lertsnim wrote: »

Guilty until proven innocent so.

Both sensationalism and the ranty internet SJW collective have overtaken our traditional sense of justice. Let the facts be established before we ready our high horses.

walshyn93 · 07-07-2016 05:37PM

wes wrote: »

Him having a gun is a indication of nothing, due to high level of gun ownership in the US. As long as he owned the gun legally, and had the right to carry it via the relevant permits, then its no indication of criminal intent.

The US has a very different culture to us, where people carrying a gun are not necessarily up to no good.

But he wasn't shot for having a gun. If him having a gun was the only relevant fact your post might carry some weight in the discussion, but alas, he (allegedly) pointed it at a passerby then (allegedly) reached for it while the cops were arresting him.

This case has all the hallmarks of suicide by cop.

Reports are also stating that he was a convicted sex offender and some saying it was a child sex offence so he probably didn't own it legally anyway.

kneemos · 07-07-2016 05:37PM

Are most of these police shootings in the south?Seems to be a trend.

The_Valeyard · 07-07-2016 05:38PM

One fecked up nation

walshyn93 · 07-07-2016 05:42PM

the_syco wrote: »

The cops at Baton Rouge were stupid. The other one, not sure. Seems he told the cop he had a gun, and then made stupid movements.

I think it was the other way around.

Not sure how people aren't seeing what I'm seeing on the Baton Rouge video. They have reason to believe he has a gun based on the 911 call reporting him pointing it at a passerby. They tackle him to the ground. While wrestling with him the cop says he's got a gun, he's reaching for it, etc. Other cop tells him to stop. Apparently doesn't stop. bang bang. Cop pulls gun out of man's pocket.

So far the evidence is stacked in favour of the cops here. More will come out for sure, but this one doesn't fit the narrative of police brutality/racism as it stands.

The other one on the other hand seems a bit more suspicious. Worth nothing that the police officer was Asian before blaming white racism.

walshyn93 · 07-07-2016 05:52PM

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/11/469974819/chicago-murder-rate-spikes-less-aggressive-policing-blamed

Here's an example of what outrage culture has done for black people lately.

selastich2 · 07-07-2016 05:58PM

they wouldn't have been shot if they behaved themselves

ScumLord · 07-07-2016 05:58PM

the_syco wrote: »

The cops at Baton Rouge were stupid. The other one, not sure. Seems he told the cop he had a gun, and then made stupid movements.

He's kind of damned if he does and damned if he doesn't there. If he didn't tell he cop about the gun he'd probably be arrested.

This seems to be all too common in the states. I find it kind of hard to blame the cops. I wouldn't want to be an American police officer, they must live in fear themselves knowing they're probably surrounded at all times by armed people who hate them. It would make anyone jumpy. I can't say that if I was in the same position and seen anything resembling a gun that I wouldn't freak out and shot without thinking. It would take some serious levels of training to get rid of that fear.

But at the same time if I was a black guy living in America I'd probably be living in even more fear because I can get shot over nothing and the person that shot me could get nothing more than a pat on the back.

walshyn93 · 07-07-2016 06:08PM

A homeless man made the 911 call that brought police to the convenience store where Alton Sterling was shot dead, a senior law enforcement official told CNN on Thursday.

Sterling was selling CDs early Tuesday outside the Triple S Food Mart in Baton Rouge, the official said, when the homeless man approached him and asked for money.
The man was persistent, and Sterling showed him his gun, the official said.
"I told you to leave me alone," Sterling told the man, according to the official.
The homeless man then used his cell phone to call 911, the official said.

Threatens homeless man with a gun. A real paragon of virtue there.

walshyn93 · 07-07-2016 06:14PM

ScumLord wrote: »

He's kind of damned if he does and damned if he doesn't there. If he didn't tell he cop about the gun he'd probably be arrested.

This seems to be all too common in the states. I find it kind of hard to blame the cops. I wouldn't want to be an American police officer, they must live in fear themselves knowing they're probably surrounded at all times by armed people who hate them. It would make anyone jumpy. I can't say that if I was in the same position and seen anything resembling a gun that I wouldn't freak out and shot without thinking. It would take some serious levels of training to get rid of that fear.

But at the same time if I was a black guy living in America I'd probably be living in even more fear because I can get shot over nothing and the person that shot me could get nothing more than a pat on the back.

You're dead right. Some areas of America are like literal warzones. Gangsters drive around in convoys armed with AK47s carrying out hits. They're not even inconspicuous about it which sort of demonstrates the level of chaos.

Pic related

https://i.gyazo.com/c199ed2e4f8ae7b0bf124b30971828ba.png

I think these are colloquially known as 'rammers', they carry about 8 lads each all armed to the teeth.

Now try and tell me you wouldn't be a little jumpy as a cop in Chicago.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 07-07-2016 06:46PM

ScumLord wrote: »

He's kind of damned if he does and damned if he doesn't there. If he didn't tell he cop about the gun he'd probably be arrested.

This seems to be all too common in the states. I find it kind of hard to blame the cops. I wouldn't want to be an American police officer, they must live in fear themselves knowing they're probably surrounded at all times by armed people who hate them. It would make anyone jumpy. I can't say that if I was in the same position and seen anything resembling a gun that I wouldn't freak out and shot without thinking. It would take some serious levels of training to get rid of that fear.

But at the same time if I was a black guy living in America I'd probably be living in even more fear because I can get shot over nothing and the person that shot me could get nothing more than a pat on the back.

Yeah, I saw someone describe the situation as a 'scrambled egg', which I thought was good. You can't unscramble an egg and "take away guns" is a stupidly simplistic take on the matter. It's so tied up with issues of race, poverty and inequality, gang culture and so on. The cops in most of the videos of these incidents are very obviously terrified, presumably the men who end up shot are too, and terrified people make terrible decisions.

walshyn93 · 07-07-2016 07:01PM

Apparently this is the arrest record. None of this makes it okay, but it does help colour our imagination about what might have happened leading directly up to the shooting.

9/09/96 aggravated battery
10/31/97 2nd degree battery
1/06/98 simple battery
5/04/00 public intimidation
9/20/00 carnal knowledge of a juvenile
9/04/01 domestic violence
5/24/05 burglary of an inhabited dwelling place
7/11/05 receiving stolen things
9/12/05 burglary of inhabited dwelling place
3/17/06 simple criminal damage to property, simple robbery, simple theft, drug possession, misrepresentation during booking, simple battery, aggravated battery
4/12/06 aggravated battery, simple criminal damage to property, disturbing the peace, unauthorized entry
4/04/08 domestic abuse battery
6/03/09 resisting an officer, drug possession, receiving stolen things, possession of stolen firearm, illegal carrying of a weapon with CDs, sound reproduct without consent
10/12/09 illegal carrying of weapon, marijuana possession
8/13/15 failure to register as a sex offender
4/08/16 failure to register as a sex offender
6/14/16 ecstacy and marijuana possession

Its dead Jim · 07-07-2016 07:36PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

Threatens homeless man with a gun. A real paragon of virtue there.

Luckily the police turned up to issue him with the death penalty. Why bother with court at all.

walshyn93 · 07-07-2016 07:41PM

Its dead Jim wrote: »

Luckily the police turned up to issue him with the death penalty. Why bother with court at all.

Yeah, they strapped him to the chair then and there.

PucaMama · 07-07-2016 07:43PM

One was a pedophile, his death is hardly something to lose sleep over

Its dead Jim · 07-07-2016 08:00PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

Yeah, they strapped him to the chair then and there.

No, they shot them. With all the research you were doing trying to excuse the cops did that not come up anywhere?

2 more police killings USA style

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