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Happy straight pride day!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    Everybody is discriminated against, name one person that's not?

    Straight people for being straight, white people for being white, among many others. Note that I'm not saying straight and white people cant be discriminated against, but if they are, it's not down to those traits, which is the point I've been trying to make and is why straight pride is pointless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    Farleys Rusks

    You gotta protect your interests, I guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,506 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    wakka12 wrote: »
    what a pointless statement, we are discussing the disproportionate levels of discrimination gay people face in every day life in this thread

    The don't in everyday life though, were back to hanging your arse off the back of a truck in spandex and then crying discrimination. Pride does sweet fa to bring everyone and I mean everyone together it has the opposite effect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭uch


    I can't wait for the West Wicklow Sheep Shaggers Pride day myself

    22/25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Everybody is discriminated against, name one person that's not?

    Name a senior fat-cat banker anywhere around the globe and you'll probably find someone who isn't discriminated against.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    The don't in everyday life though, were back to hanging your arse off the back of a truck in spandex and then crying discrimination. Pride does sweet fa to bring everyone and I mean everyone together it has the opposite effect.

    Do they not? Discrimination doesn't have to be violently assaulting us. I don't understand why you're so determined to prove that gay people arent discriminated against, or something. I hate using extreme examples but does the shooting in orlando not completely invalidate your point alone?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Do they not? Discrimination doesn't have to be violently assaulting us. I don't understand why you're so determined to prove that gay people arent discriminated against, or something. I hate using extreme examples but does the shooting in orlando not completely invalidate your point alone?

    It does. Completely. How a (presumably) straight man can feel in a position to say gay people aren't discriminated against (while making sweeping stereotypes about spandex and 'having your arse hanging out' no less!?) is beyond me, like wow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    As an aside, I saw this post about straight pride on another website and thought it was worth sharing. Really drives the point home and shows how ridiculous the concept is.
    “How come there’s no straight pride?”

    When I was a kid around 10 years old, I had a brace on my leg a-la Forrest Gump… I wore it for about two years to correct a hip disorder called Perthes disease. I spent those two years either hobbling around in a prototype brace (which I was lucky to be in the test group for), on crutches, or in a wheelchair. I wasn’t able to play much outdoors, not able to run around and be a kid, and not able to walk faster than an uncomfortable waddle. I was really lucky, but honestly - from a kid’s perspective? it sucked. A lot.

    During this time, there were a handful of kids - not a lot, but five or six out of the thirty or so in my class - who were actually ****ty to me about my situation. Seriously - they actually teased and bullied the kid in the leg brace like the antagonists in a bad 80′s coming-of-age movie. They were mad because I “got to be” pushed around in a wheelchair all the time. They were pissed that I got “preferred” seating near the restroom so I could manage more effectively. They were frustrated because I got attention that they perceived as something they deserved. They viewed the elements of my medical care as a “privilege” that they were being denied. They were actually jealous that I was stuck in a goddamned leg brace.

    The point of all this back story is this: every time I see people moaning and whining about the lack of “straight pride”, this is the part of my life that provided my understanding of why. These kids were so jealous and ****ty and selfish that they could completely overlook the discomfort and struggle (and outright misery, at times) of my situation because they wanted the attention I was getting. They took their health and their freedom completely for granted because they valued attention and privilege above all else, and had a complete inability to look any deeper at the consequences of the situation. If the attention wasn’t on them for one second, they did whatever it took to get it back.

    I suspect that these kids grew up to become the jealous douchenozzles who write the posts bemoaning the lack of “straight pride” celebrations that show up everywhere around this time every year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,506 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Canard wrote: »
    It does. Completely. How a (presumably) straight man can feel in a position to say gay people aren't discriminated against (while making sweeping stereotypes about spandex and 'having your arse hanging out' no less!?) is beyond me, like wow.

    How is it, if we had a straight pride parade the straights would be at the same crack, arse and boobs everywhere. They don't though, they don't feel any need to parade their sexuality or even the fact they've no sexuality. All modern pride does is say look at us were gay and proud. Why would someone feel the need to distinguish themselves like that and then give out about the struggle being different. Your only different as you've got caught up in a bubble thinking that's how people define what makes each other, gay pride is right up there with straight pride, divisional nonsense. How about a poor pride day or traveller pride day there both more discriminated against in Ireland, we hear very little in comparison about them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    How is it, if we had a straight pride parade the straights would be at the same crack, arse and boobs everywhere. They don't though, they don't feel any need to parade their sexuality or even the fact they've no sexuality. All modern pride does is say look at us were gay and proud. Why would someone feel the need to distinguish themselves like that and then give out about the struggle being different. Your only different as you've got caught up in a bubble thinking that's how people define what makes each other, gay pride is right up there with straight pride, divisional nonsense. How about a poor pride day or traveller pride day there both more discriminated against in Ireland, we hear very little in comparison about them.

    Hahaha seriously, straight people don't feel the need to parade their sexuality? Advertising is such a hugely sexual medium, and it's almost entirely heterosexual; look at any perfume or cologne ad. Or for something more everyday, this Burger King ad. Straight people engage in PDA far more than gay couples, which could be because there's more of them, but is also undoubtedly due to the fact that they will never get stick for it.

    Yes, what gay pride says is that we're gay and proud. You're implying that this one day of the year is what causes every single act of homophobia, which is just nonsensical, it is absolutely not in our heads and for you to say it is when you have no experience with it and no basis for that is really just bizarre. I have never defined myself on my sexuality, other people do that for me. I've walked down the street and had "hey, gay guy!" shouted at me. How can you honestly tell me that that is because of something I'm doing, when I was just minding my own business? Why should that be any different or any more acceptable than someone having "hey, black guy!" shouted at them?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Just as an fyi, traveller pride week does exist, not sure if there's a parade.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    uch wrote: »
    I can't wait for the West Wicklow Sheep Shaggers Pride day myself

    Me too I must say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Canard wrote: »
    Straight people for being straight, white people for being white, among many others. Note that I'm not saying straight and white people cant be discriminated against, but if they are, it's not down to those traits, which is the point I've been trying to make and is why straight pride is pointless.

    Not entirely sure what the direct link between straight and white is, and acknowledging that the idea of straight pride is not really relevant, but for the part in bold, there are examples of white people being discriminated against for being white and being targeted by attackers for being white.

    I.E. that 'cultural appropriation of dreadlocks' incident (all of the 'cultural appropriation' issues are down to the target being white). In the Duke lacrosse case the DA targeted the accused because they were white and he wanted to win over African-American voters (he was later disbarred such was his misconduct), and Karla F.C. Holloway (the faculty member who led the Gang of 88 witchhunt against the accused) openly admitted she would not deal with a white funeral home director when it came to burying her family members because he was white. And there was the murder of Denton James Ward by a mob when bystanders indicated he was targeted because he was white. They are just cases I remember but they were all cases of white people being targeted for being white.

    There is a whole school of thought dedicated to invalidating those incidents because of 'priviledge' or some other nonsense, but its usually pushed by those carrying out the discrimination or trying to excuse it. At the end of the day, whatever characteristics define you, someone out there hates or resents you because of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    Sand wrote: »
    Not entirely sure what the direct link between straight and white is, and acknowledging that the idea of straight pride is not really relevant, but for the part in bold, there are examples of white people being discriminated against for being white and being targeted by attackers for being white.

    I.E. that 'cultural appropriation of dreadlocks' incident (all of the 'cultural appropriation' issues are down to the target being white). In the Duke lacrosse case the DA targeted the accused because they were white and he wanted to win over African-American voters (he was later disbarred such was his misconduct), and Karla F.C. Holloway (the faculty member who led the Gang of 88 witchhunt against the accused) openly admitted she would not deal with a white funeral home director when it came to burying her family members because he was white. And there was the murder of Denton James Ward by a mob when bystanders indicated he was targeted because he was white. They are just cases I remember but they were all cases of white people being targeted for being white.

    There is a whole school of thought dedicated to invalidating those incidents because of 'priviledge' or some other nonsense, but its usually pushed by those carrying out the discrimination or trying to excuse it. At the end of the day, whatever characteristics define you, someone out there hates or resents you because of it.
    There is none, straightness and whiteness are just the first two instances of privilege that came to mind.

    I see what you mean, but the difference is that people who physically attack people for cultural appropriation rather than educating them are fairly rare and it's almost always an individual, as in you'd never have a reverse KKK or a place trying to ban straight marriage. It's to do with the extent of it and whether or not its institutionalised. I'm not excusing any kind of discrimination (in fact, I was going to say that men don't face discrimination but given the situations with custody of children etc I'm aware it's not entirely true), I was making the point that in the vast majority of countries those groups of people don't suffer *institutionalised* discrimination.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Canard wrote: »
    There is none, straightness and whiteness are just the first two instances of privilege that came to mind.

    I see what you mean, but the difference is that people who physically attack people for cultural appropriation rather than educating them are fairly rare and it's almost always an individual, as in you'd never have a reverse KKK or a place trying to ban straight marriage. It's to do with the extent of it and whether or not its institutionalised. I'm not excusing any kind of discrimination (in fact, I was going to say that men don't face discrimination but given the situations with custody of children etc I'm aware it's not entirely true), I was making the point that in the vast majority of countries those groups of people don't suffer *institutionalised* discrimination.

    True, but that's the case for most targets of impersonal hate. Whilst in a particular area people will happily learn about their neighbours so they can divide each other up into categories to better hate and discriminate against, should those people leave that particular area and journey to some far off land where no one knows or cares about their particular cultural values they might not face any specific discrimination other than being foreign which they will share with everyone else not from there.

    There are exceptions to that though, homosexuality is one which does face institutional discrimination around the world - from being specifically denied the right to marry, up to and including death. In that sense, the various gay pride festivals are vastly more necessary and relevant than straight or white pride is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    Sand wrote: »
    True, but that's the case for most targets of impersonal hate. Whilst in a particular area people will happily learn about their neighbours so they can divide each other up into categories to better hate and discriminate against, should those people leave that particular area and journey to some far off land where no one knows or cares about their particular cultural values they might not face any specific discrimination other than being foreign which they will share with everyone else not from there.

    There are exceptions to that though, homosexuality is one which does face institutional discrimination around the world - from being specifically denied the right to marry, up to and including death. In that sense, the various gay pride festivals are vastly more necessary and relevant than straight or white pride is.
    Well, a lot of the time impersonal hate is sort of enshrined in some way by politicians or otherwise, as is now the case in Britain after the Brexit vote with a huge rise in xenophobic comments, because people feel vindicated in their views.

    The only place I can think of where any kind of white pride / white rights activism might be necessary would be South Africa, but that's going entirely on anecdotes I've heard. I can't think of anywhere where straight pride would even be slightly necessary, unless there's some evil gay island I don't know about :pac: Even looking at America and their huge problem with police brutality towards black people says a lot, like there are no longer laws against, say, interracial marriage, but that doesn't mean there aren't huge problems with people's attitudes, and it's the same for homosexuality - legalizing gay marriage doesn't magically fix everything and mean that it's gay people setting themselves apart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    How is it, if we had a straight pride parade the straights would be at the same crack, arse and boobs everywhere. They don't though, they don't feel any need to parade their sexuality or even the fact they've no sexuality. All modern pride does is say look at us were gay and proud. Why would someone feel the need to distinguish themselves like that and then give out about the struggle being different. Your only different as you've got caught up in a bubble thinking that's how people define what makes each other, gay pride is right up there with straight pride, divisional nonsense. How about a poor pride day or traveller pride day there both more discriminated against in Ireland, we hear very little in comparison about them.

    Its like talking to a brick wall. Youve clearly made up your mind on those flamboyant in your face gays and no amount of wasted breath is going to change that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    The gays are welcome to come along to the Happy straight pride day and celebrate with the rest of us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Any chance of a necrophilia pride day ir is that too much to ask. :o


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