Suicide

tomofson · 05-07-2016 11:17PM #1

Just thought I would share a few views on this subject and welcome any others

I recently replied to an ignorant commenter on here with an ignorant comment of my own that I didn't actually mean, I sort of suggested suicide was a cowardly action but that is actually not my view on the matter. Although I see how suicide can be perceived as cowardly I do not think it is, in fact I view it as being brave if anything... Being able to basically run head first in the unknown is not a cowardly thing to do... Nobody really knows what is there though people have their own theories, some think heaven/hell some think a forgiving god others think a vengeful god some think nothing at all while some like myself are completely unsure. To be able to take your own life with all this unknown to you could not be cowardly.... Ignorant/selfish maybe but not cowardly....

I have had those thoughts in my life as it has been far from easy for me although I dont think I have had the hardest life imaginable, far from it actually.... Dropped out of school at the beginning of second year for my own personal reasons which I will not get into on this... That is the reason I am not so articulate though I do try my best....

I am not crying out for attention by the way or trying to suggest I will commit such an act cause I know for a fact I wouldn't just thought I would open up a thread on the matter and make my views on the subject clear...

I have lost people to suicide and I dont see them as cowards...

bobbysands81 · 05-07-2016 11:19PM

If anyone reading this thread feels that the need urgent help or just someone to talk to please call The Samaritans on 116 123.

If anyone feels they may be vulnerable at some stage in the future why not put The Samaritans number 116 123 in your phone under the name SAM, then you know that no matter what happens you have somewhere to turn 24/7.

Sorry to hijack thread.

tomofson · 05-07-2016 11:20PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

If anyone reading this feels that the need urgent help or just someone to talk to please call The Samaritans on 116 123.

Not to sure if you were taking the piss writing that but yes definitely that is what they should do...

s4uv3 · 05-07-2016 11:22PM

tomofson wrote: »

Not to sure if you were taking the piss writing that but yes definitely that is what they should do...

I'd wager he wasn't taking the piss, suicide is no joking matter. You never know who's reading this that might just pick up the phone and say "I'm not ok"

JeffKenna · 05-07-2016 11:22PM

tomofson wrote: »

Not to sure if you were taking the piss writing that but yes definitely that is what they should do...

Or call Console on 1800 247 247

dodderangler · 05-07-2016 11:22PM

Lost 3 friends to suicide. It is a selfish act but you never know what demons are in their heads. Just wish they'd have talked to me or someone. One of them was a really close friend. He was just 15. I was 14 at the time. Not a day goes by that I don't think of him.

bobbysands81 · 05-07-2016 11:23PM

tomofson wrote: »

Not to sure if you were taking the piss writing that but yes definitely that is what they should do...

Im just throwing it there I case a serious conversation surrounding suicide takes place in case you or anyone else feels they may need it at some stage.

I hope you don't feel it's a judgement against you, that's not my intention.

Aurum · 05-07-2016 11:23PM

I think that by the time a person has reached a point where they actively try to kill themselves, their thought processes are so distorted that adjectives like brave or cowardly aren't really applicable any more. It seems, from on outside perspective, to be pure desperation to not feel anything anymore.

celligraphy · 05-07-2016 11:25PM

Lost so many family members to this, it is selfish, has destroyed the entire family and kids have lost parents , and parents have lost children , it's a horrible thing , sometimes I feel sad for what they went through to commit suicide and then most of the time I'm angry for how they have just left us

tomofson · 05-07-2016 11:25PM

Aurum wrote: »

I think that by the time a person has reached a point where they actively try to kill themselves, their thought processes are so distorted that adjectives like brave or cowardly aren't really applicable any more. It seems, from on outside perspective, to be pure desperation to not feel anything anymore.

Yes I agree thank you for putting it a way I couldn't...

Bubbaclaus · 05-07-2016 11:27PM

I don't understand why someone would stoop to suicide and I hope I never will. I feel to understand it you need to actually feel it, and I hope to never experience those thoughts.

Barry Badrinath · 05-07-2016 11:27PM

Not an easy subject to broach.

Iv lost a few friends to suicide, as Im sure most of us have. Most hung themselves, others shot themselves.

People label it as a cowardly act, I just see it as a tragedy.

Is it cowardly not to seek help? Don't know but it's not always the easiest thing to do.

tomofson · 05-07-2016 11:28PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I don't understand why someone would stoop to suicide and I hope I never will. I feel to understand it you need to actually feel it, and I hope to never experience those thoughts.

I hope you never experience them either...

dodderangler · 05-07-2016 11:36PM

McGruber wrote: »

Is it cowardly not to seek help? Don't know but it's not always the easiest thing to do.

I think it's more embarrassment for them to seek help. Also they are not willing to admit that they need help. They think it's a sign of weakness almost and they can handle it on their own and by the time they realise they can't it's already gone past the point of them wanting the help. Talking is such a relief off their heads and I'm speaking from fighting my own demons a long long time ago and had I not had the family and friends I have I may not be writing this.
There's always someone out there who will listen and give a friendly ear.

bobbysands81 · 05-07-2016 11:41PM

s4uv3 wrote: »

I'd wager he wasn't taking the piss, suicide is no joking matter. You never know who's reading this that might just pick up the phone and say "I'm not ok"

Yup, it's ok not to be ok.

FalconGirl · 05-07-2016 11:43PM

Suicide is the crisis of our generation. The amount of young people in my local graveyard who have done it in the past 12 months is staggering. I'd go as far as saying it's a national emergency.

I myself have lost 2 family members and a friend.

Barry Badrinath · 05-07-2016 11:45PM

dodderangler wrote: »

I think it's more embarrassment for them to seek help. Also they are not willing to admit that they need help. They think it's a sign of weakness almost and they can handle it on their own and by the time they realise they can't it's already gone past the point of them wanting the help. Talking is such a relief off their heads and I'm speaking from fighting my own demons a long long time ago and had I not had the family and friends I have I may not be writing this.
There's always someone out there who will listen and give a friendly ear.

Very true.

The stigma associated with it doesn't help either. Although, the awareness of mental health issues is more prevelant in society today than in the past.

Help in many mediums is only an armreach away. Unfortunately for some people, they may feel that an armreach may as well be a million miles away.

Right im outta this thread. It's good to talk folks.

Joeseph Balls · 05-07-2016 11:50PM

dodderangler wrote: »

I think it's more embarrassment for them to seek help. Also they are not willing to admit that they need help. They think it's a sign of weakness almost and they can handle it on their own and by the time they realise they can't it's already gone past the point of them wanting the help. Talking is such a relief off their heads and I'm speaking from fighting my own demons a long long time ago and had I not had the family and friends I have I may not be writing this.
There's always someone out there who will listen and give a friendly ear.

The thing is, sometimes people do reach out, and we don't notice.
The ASSIST course is something everyone should do I think.

Barry Badrinath · 05-07-2016 11:51PM

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

The thing is, sometimes people do reach out, and we don't notice.
The ASSIST course is something everyone should do I think.

Seconded

JinkyJackson · 05-07-2016 11:55PM

More people dead from suiced than car accidents each year. Yet car accidents get news time every weekend.

bobbysands81 · 05-07-2016 11:56PM

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

The thing is, sometimes people do reach out, and we don't notice.
The ASSIST course is something everyone should do I think.

SafeTALK and ASIST should be compulsory for second level students.

Both are excellent and are responsible for a lot of lives being saved.

s4uv3 · 05-07-2016 11:58PM

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

The ASSIST course is something everyone should do I think.

I've been meaning to do this and have tried finding info on it online before but couldn't get anything. I'm a bit thick sometimes

Anyone here have a link or phone number for them?

YFlyer · 05-07-2016 11:59PM

Aurum wrote: »

I think that by the time a person has reached a point where they actively try to kill themselves, their thought processes are so distorted that adjectives like brave or cowardly aren't really applicable any more. It seems, from on outside perspective, to be pure desperation to not feel anything anymore.

That's why people should learn an effective meditation technique beforehand to mitigate any suicidal tendencies.

dresden8 · 05-07-2016 11:59PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I don't understand why someone would stoop to suicide and I hope I never will. I feel to understand it you need to actually feel it, and I hope to never experience those thoughts.

Many people experience those thoughts. Most step away. Some don't.

Like it or not, it's an option.

Pique · 06-07-2016 12:03AM

s4uv3 wrote: »

I've been meaning to do this and have tried finding info on it online before but couldn't get anything. I'm a bit thick sometimes

Anyone here have a link or phone number for them?

Seconded. I've never heard of either.

Gen.Zhukov · 06-07-2016 12:05AM

This 'It's a selfish thing to do' gets right on my tits.

Someone feels so fcuking sh!t that they take their own life. Then people go....'Terrible selfish thing to do........he/she should have stayed in constant, excruciating pain for years to come so we didn't have feel a bit sh!t for a while...... the selfish fecker'

He felt so bad he fcukin killed himself ffs !

I would implore anyone feeling this bad to make that 2 min call. You will find it will help.

Joeseph Balls · 06-07-2016 12:10AM

Pique wrote: »

Seconded. I've never heard of either.

Hi, Google, livingworks.net
ASIST should come up.

Barry Badrinath · 06-07-2016 12:11AM

ASIST Course

http://www.yourmentalhealth.ie/Get-involved/News-events/Events/

Select your county and date range. Course planning dates will pop up.

eviltwin · 06-07-2016 12:17AM

1.618 wrote: »

This 'It's a selfish thing to do' gets right on my tits.

Someone feels so fcuking sh!t that they take their own life. Then people go....'Terrible selfish thing to do........he/she should have stayed in constant, excruciating pain for years to come so we didn't have feel a bit sh!t for a while...... the selfish fecker'

He felt so bad he fcukin killed himself ffs !

I would implore anyone feeling this bad to make that 2 min call. You will find it will help.

Totally agree. It's not selfish. It's the last resort of someone going through unbearable mental torture. I've lost two people through suicide and selfish was the last thing they were. They managed to keep going as long as they did because they put their loved ones first but in the end they couldn't keep fighting. It's not the shame of the person who takes their life, it's the shame of the woeful mental health services in this country who could not or would not help.

06-07-2016 12:20AM

YFlyer wrote: »

That's why people should learn an effective meditation technique beforehand to mitigate any suicidal tendencies.

Unfortunately suicidal ideation is often a symptom of deep seated issues where effective meditation techniques aren't going to be worth a damn. As part of a long-term treatment program perhaps.

06-07-2016 12:21AM

Something often said by people that attempted suicide is how they had a moment of realization and regret just at that moment of past the point of no return.

Suicide

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