Happy straight pride day!!

BalcombeSt4 · 01-07-2016 04:07AM

Zombienosh wrote: »

This is stupid.

I don't think anyone has ever felt ashamed for being straight? The reason Pride exists is because people have lived or continue to live in shame for their sexual orientation.

I don't think I'd had have a problem with it if so early after one of the worst terrorist attacks in history specifically targeting gay people. This is just basically to rub their noses in it and to drill it home to them people still regard as unequal and below straight people.

drunkmonkey · 01-07-2016 07:31AM

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

I don't think I'd had have a problem with it if so early after one of the worst terrorist attacks in history specifically targeting gay people. This is just basically to rub their noses in it and to drill it home to them people still regard as unequal and below straight people.

Wasn't the gay attack by a gay it turned out and it's far from one of the worst terriorist attacks in history we've had worse since.
To think straight pride is to just rub the gays nose in it, is one hell of a persecution complex you've got going on.
There's no such thing as straight pride just for the record, we've got the AVN awards that'll do us.

OldNotWIse · 01-07-2016 11:28AM

Lilly Skinny Lightning wrote: »

Having been on both sides of looking glass that's just not true. Exact same behaviour with a partner in public completely different reactions depending if it's a same sex or hetero partnership. I'm no more throwing sex in people's face when I put my arm around a woman than I am when I put it around a man, but only one of those scenarios gets me shouted at by strangers. And it's significantly safer for two women to do that than two men. I didn't imagine those people shouting at me, I didn't misunderstand the people who thought I was straight and felt safe to call LGBT people unnatural and disgusting in my presence.

I must point out in relation to this, many times that I have been openly affectionate with another woman in public, we've been tormented by straight guys who seem to think we'll be up for a threesome or that we are some kind of challenge to them to see if they can "convert" us. We'd often have "snob" or "prick tease" names leveled at us when we make it clear we are not interested. I realise women may be safer being openly affectionate in the sense that they may not face the same risk of violent assault or hate crime, but we do suffer our own share of torment for our "sins"!

Canard · 01-07-2016 12:25PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Wasn't the gay attack by a gay it turned out and it's far from one of the worst terriorist attacks in history we've had worse since.
To think straight pride is to just rub the gays nose in it, is one hell of a persecution complex you've got going on.
There's no such thing as straight pride just for the record, we've got the AVN awards that'll do us.

There's no evidence he was gay; any use of gay apps was probably just to suss out his plan. And it was the most deadly shooting on American soil.
What else could straight pride possibly be? It serves no purpose. Every single day of the year is straight pride ffs, no one ever tries to tell straight people there's anything bad about being straight, it's a total farce and would absolutely not exist if gay pride didn't, but the reverse is not true.

PopePalpatine · 01-07-2016 12:27PM

The guy who started #HeterosexualPrideDay has now claimed it was just a prank, bro satire.

wakka12 · 01-07-2016 01:37PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Wasn't the gay attack by a gay it turned out and it's far from one of the worst terriorist attacks in history we've had worse since.
To think straight pride is to just rub the gays nose in it, is one hell of a persecution complex you've got going on.
There's no such thing as straight pride just for the record, we've got the AVN awards that'll do us.

It is the worst terror attack in US history since 9/11. Not confirmed whether he was gay, but I don't see what difference it makes really.

Lt Dan · 01-07-2016 02:40PM

Canard wrote: »

There's no evidence he was gay; any use of gay apps was probably just to suss out his plan. And it was the most deadly shooting on American soil.
What else could straight pride possibly be? It serves no purpose. Every single day of the year is straight pride ffs, no one ever tries to tell straight people there's anything bad about being straight, it's a total farce and would absolutely not exist if gay pride didn't, but the reverse is not true.

Eh, it was announced by reliable sources that he was gay. He knew the layout of the club pretty well as well

Why are the gay community so desperate to deny it? Either way, it was a terrorist attack, it was targeted at people because they were gay. It is irrelevant that the culprit was gay himself.

beach_walker · 01-07-2016 02:45PM

Lt Dan wrote: »

Eh, it was announced by reliable sources that he was gay.

Didn't the FBI announce recently there's pretty much no evidence for that?

Deleted User wrote:

It's all just borderline embarrassing at times.

Heh. A gay friend of mine outright refuses to go to any of the Pride marches/events, says they're beyond cringe-worthy and re-enforce stereotypes. Which I totally agree with tbh. I can imagine thinking the same in his shoes of some hypothetical Hetro-pride parade and the types that that would attract.

pragmatic1 · 01-07-2016 03:22PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Trying to change people gets their back up, nobody is judging you but you probably think in your own head they are. Pride and all these LGBT group etc focus on your sexual orientation like it's what defines you, it's not but if pigeon hole yourself as it seems you have you'll end up feeling like you do.
Society isn't trying to change you and most people don't care what sex you are, start throwing your sex in their face and you'll get a reaction but just act like the ordinary man in the street and nobody will bat an eyelid at you.

You probably aren't, but a hell of a lot of people do. Homophobia is still fairly rampant in Ireland, although not as bad as it once was. You might be surprised at the levels of abuse that gay people experience on a regular basis. A young lad of 19 just killed himself because of really horrible harassment in my area. Suicide levels are very high in the gay population for a reason.

It reminds me of the time some white tennis player said that she didn't notice any racism while on some tennis tour. One of her black colleges said it was rampant. It's a matter of perspective.

Lt Dan · 01-07-2016 04:07PM

beach_walker wrote: »

Didn't the FBI announce recently there's pretty much no evidence for that?

Heh. A gay friend of mine outright refuses to go to any of the Pride marches/events, says they're beyond cringe-worthy and re-enforce stereotypes. Which I totally agree with tbh. I can imagine thinking the same in his shoes of some hypothetical Hetro-pride parade and the types that that would attract.

How is FBI the all knowing and seeing group going to know that those who said that the culrpit was gay were lying

It would be in the FBI's interest to make him out as gay as ISIS would totally disown the culprit .

beach_walker · 01-07-2016 04:12PM

Lt Dan wrote: »

How is FBI the all knowing and seeing group going to know that those who said that the culrpit was gay were lying

Well... at a stab in the dark, I'd say it's because the FBI are investigating the shooter, his background, movements etc.

They didn't say he definitely wasn't gay. Just that a lot of what was initially reported hasn't stood up so far, and there's no indication that he was.

I mean I'd put more stock in them than random Tweets/soundbites in the immediate aftermath from random people.

Lt Dan · 01-07-2016 04:15PM

beach_walker wrote: »

Well... at a stab in the dark, I'd say it's because the FBI are investigating the shooter, his background, movements etc.

They didn't say he definitely wasn't gay. Just that a lot of what was initially reported hasn't stood up so far, and there's no indication that he was.

I mean I'd put more stock in them than random Tweets/soundbites in the immediate aftermath from random people.

Or tv interviews from former flings?

Anyway, gay people were targetted that is all that matters here .

DEFTLEFTHAND · 01-07-2016 04:16PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

The guy who started #HeterosexualPrideDay has now claimed it was just a prank, bro satire.

Was this not obvious to people from the beginning.

K-9 · 01-07-2016 04:27PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Was this not obvious to people from the beginning.

That it isn't satire? Yeah. It's twitter attention seeking trolling, not satire.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 01-07-2016 04:39PM

K-9 wrote: »

That it isn't satire? Yeah. It's twitter attention seeking trolling, not satire.

Well if that was his intention he certainly succeeded in getting a reaction.

wakka12 · 01-07-2016 05:58PM

Lt Dan wrote: »

Eh, it was announced by reliable sources that he was gay. He knew the layout of the club pretty well as well

Why are the gay community so desperate to deny it? Either way, it was a terrorist attack, it was targeted at people because they were gay. It is irrelevant that the culprit was gay himself.

Because its so outside the realm of possibility that he visited the club several times in order to get a feel for the place and plan his attack? I do believe he was gayeven though it isn't proven. I don't know about other gay people but I personally hope he isn't as its awful to think that 'one of our own' could hate themselves so much that they thought they should gun down as many others like himself as he could

Canard · 01-07-2016 10:06PM

Lt Dan wrote: »

Eh, it was announced by reliable sources that he was gay. He knew the layout of the club pretty well as well

Why are the gay community so desperate to deny it? Either way, it was a terrorist attack, it was targeted at people because they were gay. It is irrelevant that the culprit was gay himself.

I don't think it was? He had a wife and I think a kid. And as said above, he could easily have been visiting it to know the layout. I don't care if he was gay or not, it changes nothing about the attack, what I didn't like was the way so many people were just dying for him to be gay and the idea that homophobic people in general are gay, as if it all comes from gay people like. But yeah, it's irrelevant really.

Spanish Eyes · 01-07-2016 10:15PM

Gay Pride is OTT.

It attracts the usual scoby element who drink and urinate and vomit on the streets, (that's anyone, not just Gay BTW), just because.... well no one will criticise anything to do with it really.

Anyway, good luck to Gay people. But Gay Pride parades are an anachronism nowadays.

We are all equal.

Lt Dan · 02-07-2016 06:51PM

Canard wrote: »

I don't think it was? He had a wife and I think a kid. And as said above, he could easily have been visiting it to know the layout. I don't care if he was gay or not, it changes nothing about the attack, what I didn't like was the way so many people were just dying for him to be gay and the idea that homophobic people in general are gay, as if it all comes from gay people like. But yeah, it's irrelevant really.

Yes, because been married and having children is loike, so clear that one is not , like, gay. Martial status proves little.

I think you will find that it is the gay community and their supporters who are "dying" for the story to be rubbish.Read the comment sections from the attached articles. It suits the agenda that a person wasn't killing , as other poster pointed out, "one of their own". The milisecond that his sexuality was called into question the Gay Community went into over drive to deny the possibility. No one else was actually making an issue of it, as it was still an attack on gay people

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/14/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-was-a-regular-at-nightclub

Or this nugget, even the wife suggest there was something there

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-orlando-nightclub-omar-mateen-profile-20160613-story.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/orlando-shooter-reported-pulse-club-regular-patrons-article-1.2672445

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/06/22/omar-mateen-gay-lover-speaks/

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-20160613-snap-story.html

http://www.tmz.com/2016/06/23/omar-mateen-gay-hotel-surveillance-cameras-fbi/

http://www.tmz.com/2016/06/14/omar-mateen-gay-ex-wife-fiance-talks-orlando/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3653734/Puerto-Rican-man-claiming-Orlando-shooter-s-gay-lover-describes-friends-benefits-relationship-says-attack-revenge-Omar-Mateen-discovered-one-men-d-threesome-HIV-positive.html

wakka12 · 02-07-2016 08:31PM

Lt Dan wrote: »

Yes, because been married and having children is loike, so clear that one is not , like, gay. Martial status proves little.

I think you will find that it is the gay community and their supporters who are "dying" for the story to be rubbish.Read the comment sections from the attached articles. It suits the agenda that a person wasn't killing , as other poster pointed out, "one of their own". The milisecond that his sexuality was called into question the Gay Community went into over drive to deny the possibility. No one else was actually making an issue of it, as it was still an attack on gay people

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/14/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-was-a-regular-at-nightclub

Or this nugget, even the wife suggest there was something there

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-orlando-nightclub-omar-mateen-profile-20160613-story.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/orlando-shooter-reported-pulse-club-regular-patrons-article-1.2672445

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/06/22/omar-mateen-gay-lover-speaks/

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-20160613-snap-story.html

http://www.tmz.com/2016/06/23/omar-mateen-gay-hotel-surveillance-cameras-fbi/

http://www.tmz.com/2016/06/14/omar-mateen-gay-ex-wife-fiance-talks-orlando/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3653734/Puerto-Rican-man-claiming-Orlando-shooter-s-gay-lover-describes-friends-benefits-relationship-says-attack-revenge-Omar-Mateen-discovered-one-men-d-threesome-HIV-positive.html

Whether people are denying whether he's gay or not I don't know, but I don't think anyone ,gay or straight, has tried to say that Mateens sexuality made this any less of a hate crime which targeted the gay community

questionmark? · 02-07-2016 11:17PM

Quite frankly anyone who is a young, white, straight, culturally Christian male should be embarrassed for everything that isn't their fault and for being who they are because someone somewhere is offended because you know...

Sweetemotion · 02-07-2016 11:20PM

questionmark? wrote: »

Quite frankly anyone who is a young, white, straight, culturally Christian male should be embarrassed for everything that isn't their fault and for being who they are because someone somewhere is offended because you know...

And apparently that isnt racist one bit.

It wasn't me! · 03-07-2016 12:03AM

I find there seems to be some idea that people think Pride isn't about them just because they're straight, as if it's somehow isolating. The message I get, personally, isn't about people being "proud" to be gay, straight, bisexual, whatever. It's about freedom of expression and equal opportunity to be whoever you are. What I take from it is that we can all feel proud, as a society, that these statements of openness and equality are something we've striven towards and it's a big statement of our willingness to shine light on bigotry and judgement and stand against it. That's the pride element of it for me.

BalcombeSt4 · 05-07-2016 05:39PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Wasn't the gay attack by a gay it turned out and it's far from one of the worst terriorist attacks in history we've had worse since.
To think straight pride is to just rub the gays nose in it, is one hell of a persecution complex you've got going on.
There's no such thing as straight pride just for the record, we've got the AVN awards that'll do us.

I said worst terrorsist attack aimed at the gay community.

Yes but straight people haven't been discriminated against and physical attacked for being straight for centuries either. And lots of straighters take part in the pride parades, it's not like the 12th were Catholics can't join in.

drunkmonkey · 05-07-2016 07:51PM

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Yes but straight people haven't been discriminated against and physical attacked for being straight for centuries either.

No they've just been discriminated and physically attached for being people.

ToddyDoody · 05-07-2016 08:34PM

Who sponsor this event in Ireland?

drunkmonkey · 05-07-2016 09:19PM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Who sponsor this event in Ireland?

Farleys Rusks

Canard · 05-07-2016 11:51PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No they've just been discriminated and physically attached for being people.

You can't be discriminated against for being a person... that contradicts the entire concept of discrimination

drunkmonkey · 06-07-2016 12:05AM

Canard wrote: »

You can't be discriminated against for being a person... that contradicts the entire concept of discrimination

Everybody is discriminated against, name one person that's not?

wakka12 · 06-07-2016 12:11AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No they've just been discriminated and physically attached for being people.

what a pointless statement, we are discussing the disproportionate levels of discrimination gay people face in every day life in this thread

Happy straight pride day!!

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