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  • #152
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,061 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Felix Jones is God wrote: »
    Well that's a bit self evident. It's 2 completely different sports . We've seen many top amateurs fail miserably in the paid ranks, and also some poor amateurs become world champions.

    True that.

    In other boxing news, when is Anthony Joshua going to fight someone who isn't a bum?


  • #153
    Felix Jones is God
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,160 ✭✭✭Felix Jones is God


    awec wrote: »
    True that.

    In other boxing news, when is Anthony Joshua going to fight someone who isn't a bum?

    New champ and he's young, he's got to fight what the organization throw his way, I think Parker is next. But I'd say inside the next 12 months we'll see either Wilder or Haye in the ring with him.
    Can't see Fury and Joshua ever happening


  • #154
    Synode
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    Think we discussed the extortionate price of Stone Roses tickets on here before.

    For anyone who wanted to go but couldn't justify the price, there's some bargains to be had on www.toutless.com at the minute


  • #155
    Neil3030
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    Andy Lee could do well in amateur rules.


  • #156
    thomond2006
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    So what was Boris Johnson playing at?


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  • #157
    Halle Bewildered Wristband
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    So what was Boris Johnson playing at?

    failed gamble.

    Wanted to lose the referendum in order to bring some of the EuroSceptics back from UKIP. Appease some of the less extreme right and convince them that Conservatives still had them at heart.

    Except he won the referendum...

    Ooops.


  • #158
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I think Johnson genuinely thought that Cameron would stay on and be the one to lead negotiations before stepping down, or at the very least have a pretty complete plan in place. He may have had his eye on becoming the next PM but not quite as soon as this and not with as much responsibility.


  • #159
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    https://twitter.com/tariqpanja/status/748480819279298560


  • #160
    molloyjh
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    failed gamble.

    Wanted to lose the referendum in order to bring some of the EuroSceptics back from UKIP. Appease some of the less extreme right and convince them that Conservatives still had them at heart.

    Except he won the referendum...

    Ooops.

    Yeah this. It was a power play that's backfired on him spectacularly. Mind you it was also a power play for Cameron that backfired on him spectacularly too. It really is such a complete and total mess over there at the moment.


  • #161
    awec
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    Boris Johnson is a coward.


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  • #162
    Synode
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    Slimball of the highest order. Cares only about himself and his political career and clearly doesn't give a damn about his country


  • #163
    Neil3030
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    Screw up the country to become Prime Minister. Doesn't want to be Prime Minister of a screwed up country.

    1233928590_citizen%20kane%20clapping.gif


  • #164
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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  • #165
    Clearlier
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Screw up the country to become Prime Minister. Doesn't want to be Prime Minister of a screwed up country.

    He does want to be the prime minister. It's just that his column in the Telegraph made it apparent to all of his supporters that he had no clothes on. When Gove decided to run he had almost no supporters left.

    He's not running because he can't possibly win not because he doesn't want to.

    So, now it looks like either the UK is going to have with Theresa May who has previously claimed that someone couldn't be deported because of their pet cat (the person in question did try to use the cat as a reason but the argument was dismissed). I don't know whether she lied or made a mistake. Either way it's not the act of someone you want to lead a country.

    or

    We'll have Michael Gove - one of the prime architects of the Brexit campaign that told lie after lie after lie.

    Where the UK desperately needs statesmen and women to dig themselves out of an enormous hole they instead have these two.


  • #166
    irishbucsfan
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    failed gamble.

    Wanted to lose the referendum in order to bring some of the EuroSceptics back from UKIP. Appease some of the less extreme right and convince them that Conservatives still had them at heart.

    Except he won the referendum...

    Ooops.

    It's utterly hilarious that people have managed to convince themselves this is true


  • #167
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Clearlier wrote: »
    He does want to be the prime minister. It's just that his column in the Telegraph made it apparent to all of his supporters that he had no clothes on. When Gove decided to run he had almost no supporters left.

    He's not running because he can't possibly win not because he doesn't want to.

    So, now it looks like either the UK is going to have with Theresa May who has previously claimed that someone couldn't be deported because of their pet cat (the person in question did try to use the cat as a reason but the argument was dismissed). I don't know whether she lied or made a mistake. Either way it's not the act of someone you want to lead a country.

    or

    We'll have Michael Gove - one of the prime architects of the Brexit campaign that told lie after lie after lie.

    Where the UK desperately needs statesmen and women to dig themselves out of an enormous hole they instead have these two.

    I don't think Gove or May will last particularly long, certainly not long enough to see Britain out of the EU. I think Leadsom's challenge might be stronger than people expect, shes probably equally as incompetent as Gove and May but she hasn't had quite as many public screw-ups. I can't imagine Crabb or Fox will get it.

    Ultimately if it's Gove or May the only thing that might cut them some slack is the fact the opposition is in complete disarray. The most important thing they can do for the party is fight off demand for a general election (which is exactly what the countries needs imo)


  • #168
    awec
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    It's utterly hilarious that people have managed to convince themselves this is true

    Here we go.

    ibf vs emmet, round 25.


  • #169
    [Deleted User]
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    awec wrote: »
    Here we go.

    ibf vs emmet, round 25.

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  • #170
    Neil3030
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    Clearlier wrote: »
    He does want to be the prime minister. It's just that his column in the Telegraph made it apparent to all of his supporters that he had no clothes on. When Gove decided to run he had almost no supporters left.

    He's not running because he can't possibly win not because he doesn't want to.

    Do you mean this article, or did he write one more recently?

    I don't know... when is he ever going to get a better opportunity to be PM? Hold out until 2020 and trust his ability to win with the public?


  • #171
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Do you mean this article, or did he write one more recently?

    I don't know... when is he ever going to get a better opportunity to be PM? Hold out until 2020 and trust his ability to win with the public?

    He needed the support of someone like Gove to have any chance of winning.

    Instead Gove has effectively stabbed him in the back, which is very entertaining in a Game of Thrones way:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36677028


    Also on GoT, this tweet from Andrew Neill is amusing

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/748480098513391616


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  • #172
    Neil3030
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    He needed the support of someone like Gove to have any chance of winning.

    Instead Gove has effectively stabbed him in the back, which is very entertaining in a Game of Thrones way:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36677028


    Also on GoT, this tweet from Andrew Neill is amusing

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/748480098513391616

    Don't watch GoT, have you any tweets with House of Cards references? :pac:

    Well if he can't win without Gove (or against him) you'd have to imagine that's it for any future shots at PM. How could he possibly run again in the future if he balks at any competition? All the public will now see is Big Boris running scared from a little pudgy chinless Scotsman.


  • #173
    Clearlier
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Do you mean this article, or did he write one more recently?

    I don't know... when is he ever going to get a better opportunity to be PM? Hold out until 2020 and trust his ability to win with the public?

    Yes, that one. Most of which was setting him up nicely for the leadership of the Tories until this paragraph
    The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal. This will bring not threats, but golden opportunities for this country – to pass laws and set taxes according to the needs of the UK.

    which betrayed such a colossal lack of understanding of what had just happened and what is about to happen that when Gove stopped supporting him and offered himself as an alternative (I imagine that Gove was looking out for such an opportunity) all of Boris's supporters jumped ship more or less instantaneously.

    While I wouldn't rule him out completely forever I think and hope that he will not ever have another serious opportunity to be PM having botched this one.


  • #174
    irishbucsfan
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Well if he can't win without Gove (or against him) you'd have to imagine that's it for any future shots at PM. How could he possibly run again in the future if he balks at any competition? All the public will now see is Big Boris running scared from a little pudgy chinless Scotsman.

    I'm not sure. He's a charismatic demagogic figure who would attract more cross-party support than traditional Tories like Gove.

    It's possible that the answer in all of this is that they take 2 years (posibly 3 years) to negotiate whatever they possibly can with everyone around the world after triggering Article 50, and then go back to the people for an Election to look for a mandate on proceeding with the deal, and if the Labour party are still as weak then as they are now then a "triangulator" like Johnson might come to the fore. The interim years are going to be messy for anyone in charge and it all feels a little fishy to me that Gove would try and "House of Cards" Johnson this morning out of nowhere.


  • #175
    Clearlier
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I'm not sure. He's a charismatic demagogic figure who would attract more cross-party support than traditional Tories like Gove.

    It's possible that the answer in all of this is that they take 2 years (posibly 3 years) to negotiate whatever they possibly can with everyone around the world after triggering Article 50, and then go back to the people for an Election to look for a mandate on proceeding with the deal, and if the Labour party are still as weak then as they are now then a "triangulator" like Johnson might come to the fore. The interim years are going to be messy for anyone in charge and it all feels a little fishy to me that Gove would try and "House of Cards" Johnson this morning out of nowhere.

    I thought that once article 50 is triggered that's it. They can leave before the 2 years but if no agreement has been reached after 2 years they're gone. Open to correction on this as I haven't read the article myself but that's what all of the commentators have been saying I think.

    Sadly much though I decry and have decried the leadership prospects for the UK the EU isn't really any better. Both sides need people with vision, both sides are blessed with short term myopic leaders.


  • #176
    irishbucsfan
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    Clearlier wrote: »
    I thought that once article 50 is triggered that's it. They can leave before the 2 years but if no agreement has been reached after 2 years they're gone. Open to correction on this as I haven't read the article myself but that's what all of the commentators have been saying I think.

    Sadly much though I decry and have decried the leadership prospects for the UK the EU isn't really any better. Both sides need people with vision, both sides are blessed with short term myopic leaders.

    Yes, it would certainly be very easy to think that, such is the standard of recent writing on the subject.
    3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

    They'll take as long as they need to ensure they get a deal done that doesn't negatively affect Germany's exports, if Germany suffers then what's the point in the EU at all!


  • #177
    Neil3030
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    Clearlier wrote: »
    I thought that once article 50 is triggered that's it. They can leave before the 2 years but if no agreement has been reached after 2 years they're gone. Open to correction on this as I haven't read the article myself but that's what all of the commentators have been saying I think.

    Sadly much though I decry and have decried the leadership prospects for the UK the EU isn't really any better. Both sides need people with vision, both sides are blessed with short term myopic leaders.

    Seems to be some wiggle room on when, but not if...
    The Treaty of Lisbon introduced an exit clause for members who wish to withdraw from the Union. Under TEU Article 50, a Member State would notify the European Council of its intention to exit the Union and a withdrawal agreement would be negotiated between the Union and that State. The treaties of the European Union would cease to be applicable to that State from the date of the agreement or, failing that, within two years of the notification unless the Council, in agreement with the State, unanimously decides to extend this period. The two year period of time in which the terms of the withdrawal agreement are negotiated is known as the sunset period. The agreement is concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council and must set out the arrangements for withdrawal, including a framework for the State's future relationship with the Union. The agreement is to be approved by the Council, acting by qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. Should a former Member State seek to rejoin the European Union, it would be subject to the same conditions as any other applicant country.


  • #178
    Neil3030
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    But is there an option to renege article 50? The sunset period can be extended, with bilateral agreement, but can a member state completely change its mind and opt to stay?


  • #179
    molloyjh
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    Clearlier wrote: »
    ....both sides are blessed with short term myopic leaders.

    Can anyone be surprised that when politicians are elected for 4 years by a fickle electorate that the politicians focus on the short term though? It's an inherent flaw in the whole system.


  • #180
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    But is there an option to renege article 50? The sunset period can be extended, with bilateral agreement, but can a member state completely change its mind and opt to stay?

    Yes, but only by agreement with the Commission


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  • #181
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    molloyjh wrote: »
    Can anyone be surprised that when politicians are elected for 4 years by a fickle electorate that the politicians focus on the short term though? It's an inherent flaw in the whole system.

    European politicians aren't elected for 4 years by a fickle electorate, if they're elected at all, and they are cursed by the same flaws.


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