Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - "Non book readers"

BoJack Horseman · 28-06-2016 12:25AM

Could anyone make out what Lyanna said to young Ned before she died?

strawdog · 28-06-2016 12:28AM

Wasn't there something about one of Robert's bastards earlier on.
Looked like pod but (after a quick google search) was called Gendry. The red woman or someone was trying to knick his kingly blood at one point. That would give him more of a claim than Cersei but he hasn't been seen since rowing into the dark in series 3 apparently and nothing alluded in to in last few series so maybe his arc was just dropped..

aligator_am · 28-06-2016 12:33AM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Could anyone make out what Lyanna said to young Ned before she died?

The whispering bits seemed to be intentionally muted but from the rest I could make out "His name is...<more whispering> if Robert finds out he'll kill him, you know he will, promise me Ned, promise me"

BoJack Horseman · 28-06-2016 12:35AM

aligator_am wrote: »

The whispering bits seemed to be intentionally muted but from the rest I could make out "His name is...<more whispering> if Robert finds out he'll kill him, you know he will, promise me Ned, promise me"

Cool.... I couldn't even make out that... TV fault.

PressRun · 28-06-2016 12:37AM

They seem to have left the name deliberately ambiguous. Jon might have had a different name at birth and Ned just changed it and gave him the most generic name possible to hide his true identity. Or it could have been done in that way to leave it a bit ambiguous for Bran, so maybe Bran wouldn't be entirely sure of what he heard?

superglue · 28-06-2016 12:37AM

Yeeeah, if you could just go ahead and make that the last time we finish an episode with Dany staring purposefully into the distance, that'd be great.

Mike Litoris · 28-06-2016 12:49AM

Just watched it. I'm blown away and speechless. Between this and the last episode, what an epic end of season. Surprised there was anyone left at the end of it.

Billy86 · 28-06-2016 12:50AM

superglue wrote: »

Yeeeah, if you could just go ahead and make that the last time we finish an episode with Dany staring purposefully into the distance, that'd be great.

Not getting the hate for it in this episode? It served a purpose and and to be done... After 6 f***ing years, she has finally set sail for westeros!

Had she just appeared in Dorne next season (or Storms End, but almost certainly Dorne) it would have been poorly done. They've overdone the hell put of it throughout the show, but it was the best shot for then to close on for the series, last night (well, apart from the white walkers emerging from the first just north of the wall, but that's still a tiny bit off as Bran is there and as Danny will likely need to get established a small bit at least in Westeros before they cross it).

TCDStudent1 · 28-06-2016 12:56AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

He said Wylla.

Yep, that was it. Like Robert I couldnt think of it! :-)

jamo2oo9 · 28-06-2016 01:23AM

Some people here seem to think that Jon Snow and Danerys will become allies or something because they are related but in the show, neither of them know that. Jon Snow doesn't even know he's a Targeryan. Danerys doesn't know the Jon Snow is her relation.

Bran doesn't know either as he most likely didn't hear who Lyanna was referring to when whispering in Ned's ear.

It's certainly known for us, viewers. But not the characters on the show.

emo72 · 28-06-2016 01:36AM

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Some people here seem to think that Jon Snow and Danerys will become allies or something because they are related but in the show, neither of them know that. .

Yah, I suspect at some point in the future a dragon riding dany will be about to turn Jon to charcoal and then hesitates as it senses Jon's true parentage. End scene. Fade out.

28-06-2016 01:56AM

Wow, what an episode. Cersei Lannister must have watched Aliens before planning that for her opponents.

"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

southcentralts · 28-06-2016 02:01AM

PressRun wrote: »

I think the circumstances around the dog's death were unjust though or something. Don't fully remember what happened but I think arya's dog attacked joffrey because he was acting the prick and the dog ran away before anything could happen to her, but cersei demanded that a dog had to be killed to make up for whatever happened to joffrey so they ended up killing sansa's dog instead.

I think the boy who she was playing with (wooden swords) was killed by the hound (earning him a place on her list too) after joffrey tried to fight him with a real sword when the dog attacked. Butcher's son maybe?

J. Marston · 28-06-2016 02:09AM

Dany said that she will have to marry to make alliances in Westeros.

No male heirs down in Dorne and she already has their allegiance, same with Highgarden.

Don't think she's interested in Euron "Big Cock" Greyjoy. That leaves Jon (or Sweet Robin).

TCDStudent1 · 28-06-2016 02:17AM

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Some people here seem to think that Jon Snow and Danerys will become allies or something because they are related but in the show, neither of them know that. Jon Snow doesn't even know he's a Targeryan. Danerys doesn't know the Jon Snow is her relation.

Bran doesn't know either as he most likely didn't hear who Lyanna was referring to when whispering in Ned's ear.

It's certainly known for us, viewers. But not the characters on the show.

I think Bran did hear. It is the only mechanism by which we can get to know who Jon's father is now. So he must have been able to hear.

TCDStudent1 · 28-06-2016 02:19AM

J. Marston wrote: »

Dany said that she will have to marry to make alliances in Westeros.

No male heirs down in Dorne and she already has their allegiance, same with Highgarden.

Don't think she's interested in Euron "Big Cock" Greyjoy. That leaves Jon (or Sweet Robin).

Could Tyrion also be an option???

J. Marston · 28-06-2016 02:30AM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Could Tyrion also be an option???

Dany will want to end the Lannister line (with the exception of Tyrion, hopefully).

I don't think she has any plans to marry into it!

Dunder Mifflin · 28-06-2016 03:09AM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Could Tyrion also be an option???

Littlefinger also maybe, if he gets over his obsession with Sansa?

jcd5971 · 28-06-2016 03:33AM

Billy86 wrote:

People are asking about this an little finger, but nobody seems to have asked how the Iron Islanders got to Mereen in 1-2 episodes. That's essentially half the map, boats of not. It's by far the biggest teleportation of the show, if I'm right?

Hate to be rude but how stupid are people to not follow this, not all events are happening at the exact same time.

Arya does not necessarily leave bravos at the same time as other events in that episode, also dany, theon and yarra events are spread over time.

Look at this week time has obviously passed since the battle of the bastards, there can be weeks if not months between some episodes.

Grr martin even went as far as to explain this at the very start of the last book.

I mean do you really need to see the likes.of little finger riding a horse or Varys changing ships etc.

Again not picking at you as such, but this has been brought up a few times, maybe if people tried actually reading the thread, they would stop asking the same questions over and over.

Billy86 · 28-06-2016 04:05AM

You snipped out the part after where I said Still, different time lines is a grand explanation. Just confused why nobody is bringing up the Ironborn in terms of teleporting.

I get the reason why, I just don't get why the same wouldn't be asked of Theon, Yara & co considering they got from Pyke to Volantis in two episodes, and Meereen in two more. Pirates on boats or not, that's pretty remarkable considering where Pyke is...

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But yeah, I get the different timelines bit so not questioning it myself.

MiskyBoyy · 28-06-2016 04:24AM

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Dirty Dingus McGee · 28-06-2016 05:49AM

Seeing as the last 2 seasons have been slightly own on the first 4 (season 6 better than Season 5 but the first 4 season is the greatest TV can be) and basically 2 seasons of build up it better be 100% blood and thunder until the end from now on.

They've kept us dangling for so long I hope the show doesn't let us down.The last scene was classic and promises much.

EagererBeaver · 28-06-2016 06:41AM

expectationlost wrote: »

I don't know unless you jump to the speculative conclusion, which I just read, you just go, so what..., is he not a still a bastard if he was born outside marriage

If he was born outside marriage, then yes, he's still a bastard. If his parents married but nobody knows it, he's to all intents and purposes still a bastard.

Vojera · 28-06-2016 07:18AM

The Two Pillars

Love when people find things like this.

johnny_ultimate · 28-06-2016 07:32AM

I'm a bit of a Game of Thrones cynic. Given I've gotten this far, obviously I enjoy it enough to keep going. But I've always found its relentless focus on plot and huge character base are as much weaknesses as they are strengths - the show often getting wrapped up in entirely unengaging subplots for entire seasons, for example. I just don't think it has the sort of nuances you get in other television, and the fractured nature of the filmmaking ultimately means it fails to achieve the sort of artistic coherency you see in truly great television.

Which is why the opening of last night's episode was revelatory. For arguably the first time - and certainly there's at most one or two precedents in the series - it felt like a truly brilliant piece of storytelling. The way the editing and direction combined to create this wonderful dynamic and a sense of genuine foreboding was remarkable (the payoff too, didn't hurt). The cross-cutting between different characters was handled with immense care, building a wonderful narrative rhythm. Obviously Djawadi's immense musical work helped a whole lot too, but it was simply a brilliant combination of all the different elements. And so much of it was communicated purely visually - key cast members doing a remarkable job articulating the fear, shock and - in Cercei's case - delight. It was everything I felt is often aesthetically and narratively lacking in a show as inherently fractured as Game of Thrones.

For all the forward momentum of the rest of the episode, it was that opening that was a game changer - a look at a much more artistically confident Game of Thrones. It's inevitable that when the show returns there'll be plenty of business as usual as they power through to the end game - and naturally there's not many characters left for another major massacre

. But perhaps they'll learn a lesson from Winds of Winter and allow more sequences to play out with the sort of space, dynamism and confidence as this one.

D0NNELLY · 28-06-2016 08:12AM

yeah, it was a bit Coronation St (with tits n murder) there last season for a while alright.

Enzokk · 28-06-2016 08:41AM

Jayop wrote: »

No for sure, and I didn't know it myself till I read the suggestions of it in that link I provided and they were weak enough hints and no more about rheagar being a jolly nice chap in general rather than the rapist sansa accused him of being.

The victors of war get to write the history of it. I imagine if Robert's rebellion failed he would have been seen as a troublemaker and a traitor, instead he became king and the narrative for the rebellion became his vengeance after Lyanna was kidnapped. I imagine the reason for going to war may seem a bit flimsy if it came out that "she was supposed to marry me but chose him instead." Easier to rally the troops if there is a kidnapping involved.

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Some people here seem to think that Jon Snow and Danerys will become allies or something because they are related but in the show, neither of them know that. Jon Snow doesn't even know he's a Targeryan. Danerys doesn't know the Jon Snow is her relation.

Bran doesn't know either as he most likely didn't hear who Lyanna was referring to when whispering in Ned's ear.

It's certainly known for us, viewers. But not the characters on the show.

Bran would know the story of his aunt being raped and kidnapped, just like Sansa. I think he will now realise that it may not have been a kidnapping and, just like the story of his father "defeating" Ser Arther Dayne, there may be more to the story of his aunt being kidnapped.

jcd5971 wrote: »

Hate to be rude but how stupid are people to not follow this, not all events are happening at the exact same time.

Arya does not necessarily leave bravos at the same time as other events in that episode, also dany, theon and yarra events are spread over time.

Look at this week time has obviously passed since the battle of the bastards, there can be weeks if not months between some episodes.

Grr martin even went as far as to explain this at the very start of the last book.

I mean do you really need to see the likes.of little finger riding a horse or Varys changing ships etc.

Again not picking at you as such, but this has been brought up a few times, maybe if people tried actually reading the thread, they would stop asking the same questions over and over.

It would be strange if there was a time stamp on every scene in the TV show. Can you imagine it shows a scene and then has to spoon feed the audience with, 3 weeks later. But the next scene in Winterfell then has to say, 4 months ahead. Its not practical in the universe that has been created.

If we can suspend our believe that a giant killer zombie is in the service of the Queen, surely we can be flexible with the timings as well without it being spoon fed to us as an audience?

This isn't necessarily a fault of the writers of the TV show. If GRRM has commented that not all timelines align in the books he obviously realised there is a problem making the stories timeline merge, the TV writers will have that same problem along with not being able to split a storyline over a few episodes without really alienating their audience.

Ms Doubtfire1 · 28-06-2016 08:44AM

well, I for one was blown away by last nights episode

Ms Doubtfire1 · 28-06-2016 08:57AM

Vojera wrote: »

The Two Pillars

Love when people find things like this.

one of the comments in there said that thats why it's called Kings landing, referring to Tommens jump.Actually spat out my coffee at that lol

Avatar MIA · 28-06-2016 09:02AM

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

one of the comments in there said that thats why it's called Kings landing, referring to Tommens jump.Actually spat out my coffee at that lol

It was said on here (or d'other one) within minutes of the episode ending :pac:

Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - "Non book readers"

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