Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - "Non book readers"

bur · 27-06-2016 10:54PM

That scene with the Nun and zombie Clegane was absolutely spine chilling.

Hrududu · 27-06-2016 10:55PM

pickarooney wrote: »

Can someone explain about Robert, Rhargar, Leanna? Was it explained in season one or is it book stuff?

Sticking this in spoilers just in case. Even though the show has now confirmed it.

It was hinted at in the first book but never confirmed. The whole war started because Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna, who was supposed to marry Robert. But the hint was that it was less kidnappy and more consensual. We got flashes of Ned promising her something throughout the book. A lot of people suspected from how they worded it (he found her in 'her bed of blood' which is another way for describing childbirth in the books) that Lyanna had a baby and had convinced Ned to protect him. At this point Robert had no problem killing Targaryan children so that baby would have been in danger. The theory has always been that Ned told everyone that the baby was his, he'd had an affair and was doing the noble thing by bringing him back to Winterfell.

aligator_am · 27-06-2016 10:57PM

velo.2010 wrote: »

Well I thought the Trinity Library was big! Good luck to Sam trying to find the information he needs. I hope they have a good librarian and filing system to hand.

Actually, something someone pointed out in a YT video was that those golden things hanging down reflecting the light to different parts of the library are the same thing spinning around the sun in the intro sequence, they also pointed out that in this intro the sigil on Winterfell had changed back to the Stark one (it was the Bolton sigil in previous episodes).

Pointless info I'm sure but I like how there's so many little things to notice in the show.

Jayop · 27-06-2016 10:58PM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

It is book stuff concerning events before the timeline of the books and show begin that has more than been alluded to in the show already. If you really want to know, just Google the names.

I really don't think you'd have to be a bookie to have got that. I read the first two years back so I don't think anything I know was from the books, but in the show we know...

1) Jon was taken back with Ned after the war between the Baratheons and the Targareons.
2) Ned claimed he was his bastard but revealed to no-one, not even his wife who the mother was. very out of character for Ned.
3) We were told Leanna was taken by Rheagar and killed by him.
4) Leanna was engaged to Robert so if it was his son then surely Robert would have raised him.
5) When Sansa and Littlefinger were talking in the crypt about Leanna he was telling her that Rheagar gave leanna a flower and Sansa replied "Yes, he chose her, and then he kidnapped her and raped her."

http://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Who-Jon-Snow-Real-Parents-Game-Thrones-37461421#photo-37461430

That link is all about this theory but all apart from the very last slide only refer to events int eh TV show. Even the last one mentions the books but only a reference to the title of the books so it's not spoilery at all.

EagererBeaver · 27-06-2016 11:06PM

Yes, but there are a few people struggling with some things from back in earlier seasons and I didn't want to spell it out too much.

The "consensual" side of it hasn't really come through the TV show all that much.

biggebruv · 27-06-2016 11:10PM

excellent finale though every scene had something and the music was also brillient.

Jayop · 27-06-2016 11:10PM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Yes, but there are a few people struggling with some things from back in earlier seasons and I didn't want to spell it out too much.

The "consensual" side of it hasn't really come through the TV show all that much.

No for sure, and I didn't know it myself till I read the suggestions of it in that link I provided and they were weak enough hints and no more about rheagar being a jolly nice chap in general rather than the rapist sansa accused him of being.

LuckyGent88 · 27-06-2016 11:11PM

Holy ****bags, the first half hour was absolutely ridiculous. So so good.

secondrowgal · 27-06-2016 11:16PM

Am I the only one that noticed that Tyrion is in love with Danaerys??

EagererBeaver · 27-06-2016 11:18PM

Having read all the books and watched the show for years, it was only after watching this episode that I think I fully "got" Ned Stark. In the flashbacks he seemed like a very normal, happy child. A second son but not overly withdrawn or solemn the way he ended up. The weight of the secret he carried all those years must have been an unbearable burden.

EagererBeaver · 27-06-2016 11:19PM

secondrowgal wrote: »

Am I the only one that noticed that Tyrion is in love with Danaerys??

Some people have suggested it. I don't think that's what it was at all.

lbj666 · 27-06-2016 11:21PM

Jayop · 27-06-2016 11:26PM

secondrowgal wrote: »

Am I the only one that noticed that Tyrion is in love with Danaerys??

Aren't all the men close to her in love with her?

EagererBeaver · 27-06-2016 11:27PM

Jayop wrote: »

No for sure, and I didn't know it myself till I read the suggestions of it in that link I provided and they were weak enough hints and no more about rheagar being a jolly nice chap in general rather than the rapist sansa accused him of being.

If you're interested, Google what may or may not have happened

between Rhaegar and Lyanna at the God's Eye

TCDStudent1 · 27-06-2016 11:29PM

Jayop wrote: »

I really don't think you'd have to be a bookie to have got that. I read the first two years back so I don't think anything I know was from the books, but in the show we know...

1) Jon was taken back with Ned after the war between the Baratheons and the Targareons.
2) Ned claimed he was his bastard but revealed to no-one, not even his wife who the mother was. very out of character for Ned.
3) We were told Leanna was taken by Rheagar and killed by him.
4) Leanna was engaged to Robert so if it was his son then surely Robert would have raised him.
5) When Sansa and Littlefinger were talking in the crypt about Leanna he was telling her that Rheagar gave leanna a flower and Sansa replied "Yes, he chose her, and then he kidnapped her and raped her."

http://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Who-Jon-Snow-Real-Parents-Game-Thrones-37461421#photo-37461430

That link is all about this theory but all apart from the very last slide only refer to events int eh TV show. Even the last one mentions the books but only a reference to the title of the books so it's not spoilery at all.

I am almost certain that Ned did specify a woman's name to Robert in one of the early episodes. Robert was trying to think of her name and couldnt, asking Ned to tell him and Ned says the name. Of course, it looks like a lie but it shows that he did state who gave birth to John Snow

EagererBeaver · 27-06-2016 11:30PM

He said Wylla.

expectationlost · 27-06-2016 11:32PM

Hrududu wrote: »

Sticking this in spoilers just in case. Even though the show has now confirmed it.
It was hinted at in the first book but never confirmed. The whole war started because Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna, who was supposed to marry Robert. But the hint was that it was less kidnappy and more consensual. We got flashes of Ned promising her something throughout the book. A lot of people suspected from how they worded it (he found her in 'her bed of blood' which is another way for describing childbirth in the books) that Lyanna had a baby and had convinced Ned to protect him. At this point Robert had no problem killing Targaryan children so that baby would have been in danger. The theory has always been that Ned told everyone that the baby was his, he'd had an affair and was doing the noble thing by bringing him back to Winterfell.

the problem is who is Rhaegar, *searches* he is a Targaryen so Jon's parent is one Stark and one Targaryen...

EagererBeaver · 27-06-2016 11:38PM

What do you mean by problem?

Billy86 · 27-06-2016 11:42PM

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Wow a lot to take in there but first up is how the hell did varys get from dorne to mereen in record time?

People are asking about this an little finger, but nobody seems to have asked how the Iron Islanders got to Mereen in 1-2 episodes. That's essentially half the map, boats of not. It's by far the biggest teleportation of the show, if I'm right?

Still, different time lines is a grand explanation. Just confused why nobody is brining up the Ironborn in terms of teleporting.

PressRun · 27-06-2016 11:48PM

I think the Jon Snow parentage thing will probably be explained further next season. There has to be other solid evidence out there other than just Bran's visions. I remember someone on here mentioning before that they thought Sam might discover something about Jon at the Citadel, which could be a good shout. There has to be some significant pay-off with this character that ties into the bigger picture somehow.

expectationlost · 27-06-2016 11:50PM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

What do you mean by problem?

I don't know unless you jump to the speculative conclusion, which I just read, you just go, so what..., is he not a still a bastard if he was born outside marriage

80s Child · 28-06-2016 12:02AM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I am almost certain that Ned did specify a woman's name to Robert in one of the early episodes. Robert was trying to think of her name and couldnt, asking Ned to tell him and Ned says the name. Of course, it looks like a lie but it shows that he did state who gave birth to John Snow

Stannis referred to it at one point also, saying that, when talking about who Jon was, ' That it wasn't Ned's way".

dark crystal · 28-06-2016 12:06AM

What a superb ending to what has been a largely brilliant season. Usually, the finale is somewhat of a disappointment after whatever excellence episode 9 has overawed us with, but this was as far from disappointment as you could get. If this show doesn't win big come awards season, something is really wrong somewhere.

A few of my hopes for Season 7:

Tyrion gets to kill Cersei.

Sansa falls in love and marries a non sadistic husband for a change.

Arya and The Hound reconcile and they both take out Frankenmountain together.

Brienne & Tormund 4eva

I wish real life time went as quickly as GoT time...I don't fancy waiting almost a full year to see my predictions come true

Cianos · 28-06-2016 12:06AM

castletownman wrote: »

The use of the score in the opening Kings Landing scenes was the best use of music I have seen in a TV show since the Leftovers. Simply beautiful and chilling at the same time.

Funny you say that, I had to check whether it was Max Richter who did the score (he did the music for the Leftovers). I couldn't see anything online about it but I wouldn't be surprised if it was him.

BoJack Horseman · 28-06-2016 12:07AM

PressRun wrote: »

There has to be some significant pay-off with this character that ties into the bigger picture somehow.

The pay-off is enormous.

As it stood, the Starks were the sworn enemy of Danny what with them deposing her family....
But instead, if Jon is actually her nephew, then it will allow the North to survive where instead it would surely have been annihilated.

It also opens up all kind of deliciousness with the possibility of Jon (being a Targaryn) riding a dragon himself.... as far fetched as it sounds.

PressRun · 28-06-2016 12:09AM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

The pay-off is enormous.

As it stood, the Starks were the sworn enemy of Danny what with them deposing her family....
But instead, if Jon is actually her nephew, then it will allow the North to survive where instead it would surely have been annihilated.

It also opens up all kind of deliciousness with the possibility of Jon (being a Targaryn) riding a dragon himself.... as far fetched as it sounds.

I meant with Sam Tarly. But I agree about Jon. I fully expect him to be there at the end, if not the outright "victor", if there can be such a thing in Game of Thrones.

dimwittedrep · 28-06-2016 12:15AM

Six seasons of the old Maester guy, with apparently some sort of secret bodybuilding going on and only acting the ditherer... and then he's randomly stabbed by a bunch of kids with zero resistance.
What gives?

Vojera · 28-06-2016 12:15AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Jaysus, she's going to kill someone just for killing a dangerous dog. I would have thought a light slap would be more appropriate.

I know it's nitpicky, but direwolves are not dogs. They hold great significance for the Stark family. Killing them is a terrible thing to happen. There's also an idea that the fate of the direwolves is tied to the fate of the Starks.

timthumbni wrote: »

Where is arya getting the faces from now?

I imagine Arya is making her own faces now.

The music in Kings Landing was just stunning. Beautiful and perfectly suited. I loved it.

I figured Tommen would die (because of the prophesy) but I was surprised at how it happened.

I loved all of Cersei's scenes. Hats off to Lena Heady. I find it very interesting that Cersei has traded the traditional Lannister gold for a silvery metal (could be white gold?). It seems to say that she's forging her own path and creating her own legacy. It's just a pity that that legacy is lunacy.

dimwittedrep · 28-06-2016 12:18AM

TBH I don't get all this business with Jon's parents. Who cares? They made him king of the north knowing full well he's not technically (as far as they know) in line to the throne.
Unless there's magic powers to come from being a Targaryan or something I just don't get the relevance at all.

nix · 28-06-2016 12:24AM

Well it was either Cersei do that or allow them to judge/kill her in the trial, i don't think its all that crazy. Sure a lot of bystanders/innocence were killed, but it was the only move she could make with the little power she had to take them all out in one foul swoop.

Tommin was kept in his room to keep him safe and away from any other guards, i dont think Cersai wanted or expected him to do what he did, she would have shown more grief i think if Tommin didn't turn his back on her and screw her out of the trial by combat. :cool:

Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - "Non book readers"

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