Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

Squatman · 27-06-2016 09:34AM

Fermanagh are a good side, I would expect them to keep it close for 50 mins. Mayo should win in the end.
What are the rumours of discontent that everyone is speaking of?

Fr Tod Umptious · 27-06-2016 09:51AM

Squatman wrote: »

Fermanagh are a good side, I would expect them to keep it close for 50 mins. Mayo should win in the end.
What are the rumours of discontent that everyone is speaking of?

What I have heard is that Cillian O Connor and AOS are running the show, and that they don't even get on themselves.

I don't even know what constitutes "running the show" but allegedly that's what they are doing.

Its pure and utter rumours, so make of it what you will

naughto · 27-06-2016 10:23AM

All coc is running is in the new eir ad nothing more.
They are not running the show the training camp in London did more damage than good to the team.

NabyLadistheman · 27-06-2016 10:24AM

naughto wrote: »

All coc is running is in the new eir ad nothing more.
They are not running the show the training camp in London did more damage than good to the team.

care to explain

naughto · 27-06-2016 10:29AM

Suarezistheman wrote: »

care to explain

That's all I was told a lot of people not happy. I have tried to find out what happened but got no where

Oldtree · 27-06-2016 11:00AM

km79 wrote: »

Home draw so happy with that !
Will there be reserved seating in the stand

I've reserved my seat already, its the one with the red and green flag draped over it.

should be easy to spot

NabyLadistheman · 27-06-2016 11:09AM

naughto wrote: »

That's all I was told a lot of people not happy. I have tried to find out what happened but got no where

There will be zero sympathy for any of the players if they are throwing the rattlers out of the pram again. I was firmly behind their decision last October but what has happened over the last few weeks has made me think that maybe Noel & Pat were more sinned against than sinning.

A week training camp & they are not happy? Get bloody on with in IMO. It's a game of football. This James Horan love in that the players have is actually undermining the whole set-up. Some key players are obviously still in regular contact with Horan. He practically said as much on Newstalk in the build up to the Galway game where he stated they were trying a new defensive system with a dedicated sweeper. Seems to me this group of players will not actually be happy until Horan is back in the hot-seat.

I think we are actually buggered for the season as our shoddy defence is actually in a worse place than before with the loses of Cunniffe, Cafferkey & Barrett to this juncture. Harrison is not top level corner back & Keane does not have the authority at three. We are terrible at the sweeper system and have still not learned how to play it. Whether it's the personnel who cannot play the position (Boyler last year/McLoughlin this season) or our method of implementation we cannot get it working. I would love to see us get Parsons into 6 & let him play a Cian O'Sullivan type game dropping back. He is athletic to cover the ground & has the height to stop the long diagonal balls into our full-back line. Then let McLoughlin/Zippy help him out defensively. Obviously the loss of Gibbons is going to mean Parsons needed around the middle but i would get AOS in there as soon as possible. His form has fallen off a cliff and he has done nothing to warrant his starting place.

Hennelly AOS & Doherty are three who should be under big pressure to hold their places. All three have been poor for a long time & I feel half the team are too sure of their places. It will be interesting to see what shake-ups Rochford goes for, it will give us an indication to who has the real control in the dressing room

Squatman · 27-06-2016 11:14AM

Suarezistheman wrote: »

I was firmly behind their decision last October but what has happened over the last few weeks has made me think that maybe Noel & Pat were more sinned against than sinning.
A

What has happened over the last few weeks? if its COC running the show, - is that not his new role as captain?

maximus15 · 27-06-2016 11:22AM

lads i hate bringing negativity to our chances and of course we should be fit to beat Fermanagh
BUT
i'm abit worried bout the home draw because in the last 2 years in league( 7 matches ) and the 1 championship game( Galway !!!) we hav put in a series of poor unconvincing performances.

On paper 2 wins out of 8 matches at home is poor.

1 league win in 2014 against Monaghan was the only impressive performance, 2 very poor losses to Dublin and Tyrone and then a draw against donegal when we needed to win.
1 unconvincing win in 2015 against Down ( who lost every game this year) and then another loss to Dublin with Kerry beating us comfortably.

I had them reservations in the back of me head before Galway game but still thought we would beat them!!

Now i think it is a problem and whether its the size of pitch or pressure playing in front of high expectant home crowd or poor tactics, i dont think it can be fully ignored goin into the Fermanagh game

RobbieRuns · 27-06-2016 11:28AM

naughto wrote: »

All coc is running is in the new eir ad nothing more.
They are not running the show the training camp in London did more damage than good to the team.

Strange thing to say that a training camp away did more damage than good and then follow it up with.... I tried to find out but got no where?

I would have thought that few days away would have helped, but now because of a defeat, it is seen as part of the fault. If they had won the game, it would have been a great camp. It's all down to results eh?

Audioslaven · 27-06-2016 11:43AM

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Hennelly AOS & Doherty are three who should be under big pressure to hold their places. All three have been poor for a long time & I feel half the team are too sure of their places. It will be interesting to see what shake-ups Rochford goes for, it will give us an indication to who has the real control in the dressing room

Spot on. I would be taking these three as well. AOS is a def in my eyes.
There has to be implications for a poor performance and he has to drop a few guys but I am not sure if he has this in him... time will tell

I was listening to Sunday game last night and they mentioned how Gavin drops a guy to the bench if he feels the focus and attitude is not right. This is why the dubs are just superb. You could argue that the hype in Dublin should cause the players more issues than Mayo but they don't have that crap. You just know that Gavin is a no nonsense manager and fair play to him.

I hope they get a game that they have to fight to win. This is the important part because if they do not fight(like Galway game) we are as well to piss off out. If we fight and win, then this could change the focus and bring back the drive and determination that was there over the last few years which we have all appreciated and loved.

PressRun · 27-06-2016 04:12PM

Tbh, how Gavin runs things in Dublin is not really comparable to how things are in Mayo. Jim Gavin can afford to deliver ultimatums and drop certain individuals if they're not performing to a level that he wants. We simply don't have the squad depth to do the same.

For what it's worth, I heard from someone fairly reliable that there isn't truth to the stories about certain players "running the show". The training camp in London was mistimed, supposedly, and that had an effect on how things have panned out since.

mayo.mick · 27-06-2016 04:33PM

km79 wrote: »

Home draw so happy with that !
Will there be reserved seating in the stand

Knowing prenty he'll put all the *troublesome* season ticket holders in section 109 row A :mad:

Stoner · 27-06-2016 04:36PM

PressRun wrote:

Tbh, how Gavin runs things in Dublin is not really comparable to how things are in Mayo. Jim Gavin can afford to deliver ultimatums and drop certain individuals if they're not performing to a level that he wants. We simply don't have the squad depth to do the same.

McGuinness dropped Cassidy and delivered that year without him.

Audioslaven · 27-06-2016 04:54PM

Stoner wrote: »

McGuinness dropped Cassidy and delivered that year without him.

We got rid of "Micheal jackson" but didn't deliver ... we are better off without him

mayo.mick · 27-06-2016 04:57PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

We got rid of "Micheal jackson" but didn't deliver ... we are better off without him

He walked, the week of a Connacht Final

naughto · 27-06-2016 05:04PM

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Strange thing to say that a training camp away did more damage than good and then follow it up with.... I tried to find out but got no where?

I would have thought that few days away would have helped, but now because of a defeat, it is seen as part of the fault. If they had won the game, it would have been a great camp. It's all down to results eh?

I ment was I tried to get more information on what happened but was told it did not go well end of story.
You would think the camp would be in a better place after it but if anything it went backwards with the way they played against Galway.
Why did they go with the short kick out was this what they worked on in London if it was it was a a piss poor effort.

Fermanagh will be tough and I expect it to be very close come the end but with us at home surly we can get the win

PressRun · 27-06-2016 05:15PM

Stoner wrote: »

McGuinness dropped Cassidy and delivered that year without him.

Honestly, I think there was plenty that came together just right for Donegal that year that had very little to do with Cassidy being dropped. 2012 was an immense year for them where virtually all the boxes were ticked. I don't think we can say the same for Mayo this year. We are down to the bare bones of our squad in some positions due to the seemingly never-ending list of injuries. It's fine to talk about dropping people as some sort of punitive exercise if you have a plan in place to deal with their absence or, as in cases of teams with greater squad depth, an able and willing replacement. We would all love for there to be multiple solid options in every position so that starting positions aren't a foregone conclusion, but we don't have that luxury right now. We could argue about bringing through U21s, but the reality there is that most of them are simply not ready for the step up yet and some of them might never be ready for that step. I don't disagree at all that it might not be the worst thing in the world for some players to see a spell on the bench and in an ideal world I can think of a couple I'd leave out, but I'm not sure Mayo are really in a position right now to do things that way.

And I know people think O'Shea should be dropped. I think O'Shea needs to play midfield. This is the position in which he has played his best football and I think it's the position he feels most comfortable in. He is not benefitting from the chopping and changing roles. This, amongst other things perhaps, is part of the reason he's been in poorer form recently. All just my opinion, obviously.

Stoner · 27-06-2016 05:25PM

Audioslaven wrote:

We got rid of "Micheal jackson" but didn't deliver ... we are better off without him

I've just never heard of a team do well that the players had a lot of power in.

Mayo have a decent squad. COC is a free taker of extraordinary accuracy, is he a fantastic player on the ball? not imo, AOS can be alright when on form and his head is right, and he's around long enough now to have his head right. As much as I like Horan it would be a different dynamic if he returned now imo, different lads.
I assumed that the Mayo players have the manager they fought for ?
But players need to know that their position is not guaranteed. Dublin don't have a bunch of Connolly's or Cluxtons but both know that the team will move on without them. McGuinnes understood that too, it's a good example though, Cassidy was highly regarded.
Zero negativity in the Donegal dressing room. Imagine all the BS that policy cut out.

Stoner · 27-06-2016 05:28PM

PressRun wrote:

And I know people think O'Shea should be dropped. I think O'Shea needs to play midfield. This is the position in which he has played his best football and I think it's the position he feels most comfortable in. He is not benefitting from the chopping and changing roles. This, amongst other things perhaps, is part of the reason he's been in poorer form recently. All just my opinion, obviously.

That's true alright he has looked best in midfield. Very exciting to have him at 14 but it doesn't appear to be his best spot.

He wins more frees out the field too, inside he wins less for more or less the same tackles..

Audioslaven · 27-06-2016 05:35PM

mayo.mick wrote: »

He walked, the week of a Connacht Final

LMAO, there are many ways to get rid of someone..., you just make him think he is doing it.

Audioslaven · 27-06-2016 05:39PM

Stoner wrote: »

That's true alright he has looked best in midfield. Very exciting to have him at 14 but it doesn't appear to be his best spot.

He wins more frees out the field too, inside he wins less for more or less the same tackles..

I think O'Shea can offer the team the best at FF (its all about the team) ...We have enough at midfield imo. The issue is that we don't know how to use him properly and feed off him. The ball into him is terrible at times. I remember the kerry game and the ball in was shocking.

Stoner · 27-06-2016 05:42PM

Audioslaven wrote:

I think O'Shea can offer the team the best at FF ...We have enough at midfield imo. The issue is that we don't know how to use him properly and feed off him. The ball into him is terrible at times. I remember the kerry game and the ball in was shocking.

True need to move past him not winning enough frees , most big men suffer the same treatment.
I think wherever he plays his ability to carry the ball and break a tackle should be utilised.

Audioslaven · 27-06-2016 05:49PM

Stoner wrote: »

I've just never heard of a team do well that the players had a lot of power in.

Mayo have a decent squad. COC is a free taker of extraordinary accuracy, is he a fantastic player on the ball? not imo, AOS can be alright when on form and his head is right, and he's around long enough now to have his head right. As much as I like Horan it would be a different dynamic if he returned now imo, different lads.
I assumed that the Mayo players have the manager they fought for ?
But players need to know that their position is not guaranteed. Dublin don't have a bunch of Connolly's or Cluxtons but both know that the team will move on without them. McGuinnes understood that too, it's a good example though, Cassidy was highly regarded.
Zero negativity in the Donegal dressing room. Imagine all the BS that policy cut out.

Look I am with you on this and Gavin takes no prisoners. The players know that and he gets no BS from them. Its all about the manager and how strong he is. Horan is a strong manager as well and that's why he did so well. Ok he didn't deliver the AL but by god he gave it his all. I don't think anyone would question Horan's desire and drive. I have great respect for him because he got rid of all the circus around the Mayo setup.

km79 · 27-06-2016 06:28PM

Every time mayo go through a bad patch absolute RUBBISH comes out about CoC and AOS. Every single time . From "lads on the Internet " . When asked for solid info all we get back is "I've heard Rumours "
It's up there now with the McDonald /Maughan Rumours which won't be repeated
Absolute BS
These guys are amateur sportsmen with families , girlfriends and children ! They do not deserve unsubtanstiated ****e being spouted by keyboard warriors.
So back to onfield activities.its a great draw for mayo. Fully expect a response and if we don't get it they will have 12 months off simple as that.
Cillian needs game time so the extra games will hopefully bring him on .
Hennelly has got to be under pressure in goals now as we are lucky to have Clarke as well.
AOS is suffering IMO from not having a defined role. He needs to be picked in one position and left there for a large portion of the game .
Anyway I think we will win and will have a long summer again

Audioslaven · 27-06-2016 07:52PM

km79 wrote: »

Every time mayo go through a bad patch absolute RUBBISH comes out about CoC and AOS. Every single time . From "lads on the Internet " . When asked for solid info all we get back is "I've heard Rumours "
It's up there now with the McDonald /Maughan Rumours which won't be repeated
Absolute BS
These guys are amateur sportsmen with families , girlfriends and children ! They do not deserve unsubtanstiated ****e being spouted by keyboard warriors.

This was inevitable after H&C especially when a poor loss came in. It is well sprouted among the Mayo GAA circles and not just on GAA forums so I wouldn't go plastering users because they express an opinion.

Anyway, I hope DOC comes in for Doherty, Freeman for AOS and Clarke for Hennelly. I think the Galway game should bring on SOS and Parsons. A dry ball would suit us better as well as we let some amount of ball fall from our hands the last day

km79 · 27-06-2016 09:23PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

This was inevitable after H&C especially when a poor loss came in. It is well sprouted among the Mayo GAA circles and not just on GAA forums so I wouldn't go plastering users because they express an opinion.

Anyway, I hope DOC comes in for Doherty, Freeman for AOS and Clarke for Hennelly. I think the Galway game should bring on SOS and Parsons. A dry ball would suit us better as well as we let some amount of ball fall from our hands the last day

I have seen very specific and most likely very untrue "Rumours " posted about the 2 boys before horan went
Slanderous comments truth be told . Every time there is a bad loss it comes back to their "bad relationship".
They are not the first to fall victims of our supporters who form judgements on the person based on the player . It's not on tbh . They are mayo clubmen like the rest of us

Audioslaven · 27-06-2016 10:26PM

km79 wrote: »

I have seen very specific and most likely very untrue "Rumours " posted about the 2 boys before horan went
Slanderous comments truth be told . Every time there is a bad loss it comes back to their "bad relationship".
They are not the first to fall victims of our supporters who form judgements on the person based on the player . It's not on tbh . They are mayo clubmen like the rest of us

I was never aware of the bad relationship but I don't particularly see an issue just because they are not buddies. That's something for Rochford to sort if it is. You can't like everyone.

Anyway, I hope they come out with the right attitude and the work rate returns

km79 · 27-06-2016 10:45PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

I was never aware of the bad relationship but I don't particularly see an issue just because they are not buddies. That's something for Rochford to sort if it is. You can't like everyone.

Anyway, I hope they come out with the right attitude and the work rate returns

I don't think they are aware of it either!!!!!

Fr Tod Umptious · 28-06-2016 12:43AM

Horan revolutionised Mayo football, it would be a shame to see it regress to the bad old days of poor preparation etc.

Hopefully a performance v Fermanagh and beyond will put the rumours to bed for the year.

As for the team itself, the problem with AOS is that it has been difficult to find a place where he fits in best.
One year he is midfield, next its half forward, next its full forward.
The FF role is fine when there is loads of time and space to get good balls into him, but as we saw last year against the better teams he suddenly becomes isolated when that supply is closed down.

I personally think his best performances have been in the middle and maybe that's where he goes.
Without doubt dropping him might wake him up a bit, he has often gone missing when the question has really been asked, but I don't think we have the squad to afford to drop him.

Anyway, I'd put AOS and Parsons at midfield, with Seamus as an impact sub.
The half forward spot may then be taken by Conor O Shea, I may be way off with that but I know he played there before and possibly as recently as the league.

I'd put Loftus in the corner with Cillian in the middle and Regan in the other corner.

As for the backs I think the most important thing is to keep Higgins back there to add a bit of expetienc with the loss of Cafferkey and Cuniffe. It would be great to see Keane develop into a real top cladd full back but I'm afraid that ship may have sailed.

When ate the CCCC due to set the date and time for the game by the way

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