Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

Fr Tod Umptious

coniosumadre wrote: »

Personally I think this article is 100 percent bang on the money. Hats off to O Se. Taking it right back to the annihilation by Cork in January, and the general air of arrogance and wannabe superstardom that crept into the team.

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-when-the-pressure-came-on-where-were-mayos-leaders-34815619.html

Even though I don't disagree with what he is saying in the article I find the timing interesting.

A few short weeks ago the same pundit was telling us how Mayo were on mission and were the team best placed to beat Dublin.

Now he's telling us that they lack leaders and has know this since January.

He obviously had that one in the locker ready to be taken out when he needed it.

naughto

Gibbons and caf gone for the season. Caf is a massive loss

yop

AOS was at a media event, hard not to field questions and if he didn't answer them it would have been worse imho. He said it as it was re the team and Boyler. I don't like the line "We didn't see it coming", your playing your neighbours in a one off game at home with ZERO hope for them from many quarters, the last thing in your head is the complacency to not see it coming. Hence the loss from what I can see.

McGuinness has just dropped his head in that article, as Fr Tod says, he had us bigged up as the biggest threat, now we're the oppossite. He has to sell papers, so he writes it. I agree more with that article than the previous, we lacked a serious amount of leaders, it was too much of the "After you, no after you" attitude, leaving it for the next man.

Time will tell.

yop

naughto wrote: »

Gibbons and caf gone for the season. Caf is a massive loss

Absolutely, now I see this as a change to bring the U21 lads through, they won us an AI U21 title in some of the best games I have seen Mayo players produce. They pulled out results when we thought they were gone.
Now is the time to bring that mentality into the squad and if the senior players dont have then the door is there. Might be harsh, but they had their chance all league and especially last Sat night and didn't do it.

charlie14

yop wrote: »

Absolutely, now I see this as a change to bring the U21 lads through, they won us an AI U21 title in some of the best games I have seen Mayo players produce. They pulled out results when we thought they were gone.
Now is the time to bring that mentality into the squad and if the senior players dont have then the door is there. Might be harsh, but they had their chance all league and especially last Sat night and didn't do it.

This Mayo senior team have been training on a system like most other counties for the past 6 months with an eye to the championship I would imagine.
If U21s aren`t slotted into training and playing under a teams system during the league, once the championship has started I wouldn`t have great faith in bringing them in cold.
Plus the hits and refs interpretation of them in senior inter county championship are a world away from U21

coniosumadre

charlie14 wrote: »

yop wrote: »

Absolutely, now I see this as a change to bring the U21 lads through, they won us an AI U21 title in some of the best games I have seen Mayo players produce. They pulled out results when we thought they were gone.
Now is the time to bring that mentality into the squad and if the senior players dont have then the door is there. Might be harsh, but they had their chance all league and especially last Sat night and didn't do it.

This Mayo senior team have been training on a system like most other counties for the past 6 months with an eye to the championship I would imagine.
If U21s aren`t slotted into training and playing under a teams system during the league, once the championship has started I wouldn`t have great faith in bringing them in cold.
Plus the hits and refs interpretation of them in senior inter county championship are a world away from U21

Jeez. The senior teams training hasn't exactly left them looking too hot in fairness either. Very valid comment from McGuinness in the Indo too about the step up from club to inter County management.

Bunny Colvin

yop wrote: »

Absolutely, now I see this as a change to bring the U21 lads through, they won us an AI U21 title in some of the best games I have seen Mayo players produce. They pulled out results when we thought they were gone.
Now is the time to bring that mentality into the squad and if the senior players dont have then the door is there. Might be harsh, but they had their chance all league and especially last Sat night and didn't do it.

There's no need to overdo things either. We need a bit of perspective. First off, you can't just 'bring in' the u-21 lads. Most of them are simply not ready yet. Think of the instant step up from playing against lads your own age, to going up against hardened top class veterans that we (hopefully) will face later on it the year. The likes of Diarmuid O'Connor is the exception, he belongs at the top. Loftus, Hall etc are still learning. The other lads will hopefully break through next year or the year after. If they're good enough then they will, but I'd expect to see more of them on the panel next season for sure.

Main point is, our day was coming. All it took to lose the 6 in a row was one poor performance. It was disappointing but that's The Championship, you're only ever one defeat away from turmoil. We're on the ropes now for sure but I still expect this team to have a good crack at the qualifiers. Rochford has time to look at things and more importantly, the player's have a chance to re-evaluate and decide where they want to go from here. They've given us enough good days out and there's never any shame losing to the better team and while Galway showed massive heart, Mayo didn't do themselves any justice on Saturday, we all know that. Let's see how they react before we stick the boot in too much, we owe them that much imo.

Fr Tod Umptious

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

There's no need to overdo things either. We need a bit of perspective. First off, you can't just 'bring in' the u-21 lads. Most of them are simply not ready yet. Think of the instant step up from playing against lads your own age, to going up against hardened top class veterans that we (hopefully) will face later on it the year. The likes of Diarmuid O'Connor is the exception, he belongs at the top. Loftus, Hall etc are still learning. The other lads will hopefully break through next year or the year after. If they're good enough then they will, but I'd expect to see more of them on the panel next season for sure.

Main point is, our day was coming. All it took to lose the 6 in a row was one poor performance. It was disappointing but that's The Championship, you're only ever one defeat away from turmoil. We're on the ropes now for sure but I still expect this team to have a good crack at the qualifiers. Rochford has time to look at things and more importantly, the player's have a chance to re-evaluate and decide where they want to go from here. They've given us enough good days out and there's never any shame losing to the better team and while Galway showed massive heart, Mayo didn't do themselves any justice on Saturday, we all know that. Let's see how they react before we stick the boot in too much, we owe them that much imo.

Very true
There is no need to tear this team apart until next February at the earliest

lets see how they do in the qualifiers

Unless there is something really rotten in the state of Denmark they should be well capable of making it to the QF
Plus if they end up with a QF place they may well avoid Dublin if the losing Ulster finalist is also there
That would pit them against the Ulster champ with a chance of getting to the place many expected them to be, the opposite SF to Dublin.

Now if there is something rotten in the team then we will find out soon enough and next NFL is the time to start bringing in the young guys and letting the older guys sit on the bench.

yop

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Very true
There is no need to tear this team apart until next February at the earliest

lets see how they do in the qualifiers

Unless there is something really rotten in the state of Denmark they should be well capable of making it to the QF
Plus if they end up with a QF place they may well avoid Dublin if the losing Ulster finalist is also there
That would pit them against the Ulster champ with a chance of getting to the place many expected them to be, the opposite SF to Dublin.

Now if there is something rotten in the team then we will find out soon enough and next NFL is the time to start bringing in the young guys and letting the older guys sit on the bench.

I think there is at this stage, a lot has gone on in the last 8 months and we have gone well back in that period. Outside of the Monaghan performance we have been lacklustre, off the pace, lacking ideas and passion.
We hear now of more disagreements last Saturday.

While I agree than it maybe too soon to bring in the U21, I still think that they have more to offer than what is on the bench, enthusiasm and youth and that winning feeling from having an U21 medal in your pocket is worth a lot.

Time will tell, I'm following them too long to be throwing in the towel and I do hope I am proven wrong, but something doesn't sit right.

Stoner

yop wrote:

Time will tell, I'm following them too long to be throwing in the towel and I do hope I am proven wrong, but something doesn't sit right.

You're due a dramatic exit though Yop.

yop

Stoner wrote: »

You're due a dramatic exit though Yop.

hAHA, I'll run out screaming!

padd b1975

Disgraceful comments from Prenty in the Mayo News, he might as well have called the season ticket holders a nuisance.

He totally washed his hands of the whole allocated seating fiasco.

yop

padd b1975 wrote: »

Disgraceful comments from Prenty in the Mayo News, he might as well have called the season ticket holders a nuisance.

He totally washed his hands of the whole allocated seating fiasco.

Link to article here;
http://www.mayonews.ie/news/28035-it-was-a-complete-fiasco

PressRun

yop wrote: »

We hear now of more disagreements last Saturday.

I wouldn't be too quick to jump on these rumours. Of course, they could be true, but there's plenty of people who just want to point the finger and have been waiting for a defeat like this to do just that, especially towards certain players in particular.

Oldtree

Mr Prenty must be from the blue seat and stand pole brigade that forgot to make a separate stand entrance when renovations were under way, would have been very simple to do, could still easily stick a dividing wall up. Oh... and the brigade that forgot to communicate to stewards on Saturday that the stand was to be separated into sections using say.... €20 worth of hi-vis plastic tape and 2 stewards to ask for tickets at the bottom of the stand steps, not that logistically difficult at all.

I arrived at 5.30 to ensure i got to sit in the area I have been sitting in for years, the same as many others. I would have been very upset if asked to move because of this stupidness.

Fr Tod Umptious

yop wrote: »

I think there is at this stage, a lot has gone on in the last 8 months and we have gone well back in that period. Outside of the Monaghan performance we have been lacklustre, off the pace, lacking ideas and passion.
We hear now of more disagreements last Saturday.

While I agree than it maybe too soon to bring in the U21, I still think that they have more to offer than what is on the bench, enthusiasm and youth and that winning feeling from having an U21 medal in your pocket is worth a lot.

Time will tell, I'm following them too long to be throwing in the towel and I do hope I am proven wrong, but something doesn't sit right.

This is why I can't wait for the draw and the next game.

I want to see how they react.

I want to see if they really just had an off day or whether the malaise continues.

yop

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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This is why I can't wait for the draw and the next game.

I want to see how they react.

I want to see if they really just had an off day or whether the malaise continues.

Have we not been waiting for a reaction though all year? Against Donegal they ran through them up there and I waiting for them to push on, but that didn't happen.
Agaist Dublin on our own patch, I was waiting for them to step up but it petered out.
Against Tyrone I was waiting and last Saturday, aside from that 10 minute spell there was no reaction.

Anyway, I'm just in glass half full mode, Ill get over my beeutching for the game on Saturday week!

The reaction I want to see is that we go to where ever and we blow them out of the water as we did to Donegal a few years back.

Fr Tod Umptious

yop wrote: »

Have we not been waiting for a reaction though all year? Against Donegal they ran through them up there and I waiting for them to push on, but that didn't happen.
Agaist Dublin on our own patch, I was waiting for them to step up but it petered out.
Against Tyrone I was waiting and last Saturday, aside from that 10 minute spell there was no reaction.

Anyway, I'm just in glass half full mode, Ill get over my beeutching for the game on Saturday week!

The reaction I want to see is that we go to where ever and we blow them out of the water as we did to Donegal a few years back.

Yes we have been, but the argument can be made that "its only the league"

Now its the championship.

I'd love to see them beat all and sundry like 2013 and get into a "Mayo have not been tested" debate between now and September, but I'm well aware that it could all end up like 2001,2003, 2006 and 2010.

That's why I want to see a reaction, a real win or bust reaction.

yop

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Yes we have been, but the argument can be made that "its only the league"

Now its the championship.

I'd love to see them beat all and sundry like 2013 and get into a "Mayo have not been tested" debate between now and September, but I'm well aware that it could all end up like 2001,2003, 2006 and 2010.

That's why I want to see a reaction, a real win or bust reaction.

I'm more a win than a bust man myself

Boom__Boom

yop wrote: »

The reaction I want to see is that we go to where ever and we blow them out of the water as we did to Donegal a few years back.

Given the likely opposition the next day Mayo it's very hard to see Mayo not winning well - It would be a sign of serious decline to put in two performances in a row considering the opposition.

Mayo will face one of the following teams in the qualifiers

Offaly v London,
Antrim v Limerick,
Down v Longford,
Wexford v Fermanagh

Division 1 - Down
Division 2 - Fermanagh
Division 3 - Limerick, Offaly, Longford
Division 4 - Wexford, Antrim, London

Even if it's an away game, I just can't see any side there giving Mayo serios bother and depending on who gets pulled I could see definite potential for a serious hammering being handed out.

I think Fermanagh are probably the toughest there by a bit based on their form and spirit and management but they are still no great shakes - their 7 points loss to Donegal was far less damaging than Down's 19 point humiliation against Monaghan. Throw in the fact that Fermanagh actually won and drew some games in the league whereas Down have lost every single game they have played in league and championship this year.

One possible cause for concern is the form of Cillian O'Connor - he missed all 5 of his shots from play in the Galway game. Following on from the early black card against London, that's 2 poor games in a row by his standards. I think he's too good a player to have 3 poor games in a row so I would be expecting him to really turn in a performance the last day.

I think it will be the round after next really shows where Mayo are at this summer.

Fr Tod Umptious

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Given the likely opposition the next day Mayo it's very hard to see Mayo not winning well - It would be a sign of serious decline to put in two performances in a row considering the opposition.

Mayo will face one of the following teams in the qualifiers

Offaly v London,
Antrim v Limerick,
Down v Longford,
Wexford v Fermanagh

Division 1 - Down
Division 2 - Fermanagh
Division 3 - Limerick, Offaly, Longford
Division 4 - Wexford, Antrim, London

Even if it's an away game, I just can't see any side there giving Mayo serios bother and depending on who gets pulled I could see definite potential for a serious hammering being handed out.

I think Fermanagh are probably the toughest there by a bit based on their form and spirit and management but they are still no great shakes - their 7 points loss to Donegal was far less damaging than Down's 19 point humiliation against Monaghan. Throw in the fact that Fermanagh actually won and drew some games in the league whereas Down have lost every single game they have played in league and championship this year.

One possible cause for concern is the form of Cillian O'Connor - he missed all 5 of his shots from play in the Galway game. Following on from the early black card against London, that's 2 poor games in a row by his standards. I think he's too good a player to have 3 poor games in a row so I would be expecting him to really turn in a performance the last day.

I think it will be the round after next really shows where Mayo are at this summer.

Yep Mayo should be steamrolling any team in Rnd 2.

But in Round 3 you will possibly meet one of Cork, Monaghan, Donegal, Westmeath, Kildare.

The performance against which ever one of these they get will be interesting.

And then in Round 4, if you make it, you get Ulster loser or Leinster loser.
Leinster loser should not cause a problem, but Ulster loser may.

Personally I hoping for away to Limerick in Rnd 2, handy trip from here in Kerry.

seligehgit

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Yep Mayo should be steamrolling any team in Rnd 2.

But in Round 3 you will possibly meet one of Cork, Monaghan, Donegal, Westmeath, Kildare.

The performance against which ever one of these they get will be interesting.

And then in Round 4, if you make it, you get Ulster loser or Leinster loser.
Leinster loser should not cause a problem, but Ulster loser may.

Personally I hoping for away to Limerick in Rnd 2, handy trip from here in Kerry.

Ah no more trips down to Limerick;) Agree with the consensus that it is likely to be a few rounds before we meet the sort of opposition that will give us an indication of where we're at this summer.

Father Tod it's great that we've got you around to outline the possible matchups/permutations that I'm too lazy to work out.

Mayo Club 51

Qualifier results today

• Offally
• Limerick
• Longford
• Wexford/Fermanagh (1-05 to 0-08 28min)

Mayo Club 51

Qualifier results today

• Offally
• Limerick
• Longford
• Fermanagh

Draw to be made on Monday mrning on Radio 1 after 8.30 news.

Fr Tod Umptious

Fermanagh away is the only one of those that would cause Mayo even the slightest bit of trouble.

Mayo should be cruising into the next round.

If they don't then the rot has well and truly set in.

km79

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Fermanagh away is the only one of those that would cause Mayo even the slightest bit of trouble.

Mayo should be cruising into the next round.

If they don't then the rot has well and truly set in.

Fermanagh away is the only draw I don't want from a traveling point of view

mayo.mick

km79 wrote: »

Fermanagh away is the only draw I don't want from a traveling point of view

I'm the opposite! Fermanagh is the one I'd like away!

statto25

Are we definately away in our first qualifying round?

cocoman

statto25 wrote: »

Are we definately away in our first qualifying round?

I'm nearly certain that the venue will be decided by the draw. Open to correction.

statto25

cocoman wrote: »

I'm nearly certain that the venue will be decided by the draw. Open to correction.

The GAA website have the winners of today's round on the home side of the fixture. They might just be placeholders though.