Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - "Non book readers"

FortuneChip · 27-06-2016 01:19PM

wp_rathead wrote: »

Question:
Does Ayra know about Rickon and Bran "being killed by Theon"? Would Theon be on her list?

No doubt word of Ramsay killing Rickon before the BOTB would quell any theories of Theon doing it.
Plus, it wouldn't really make sense for that to happen, Theon's story has moved on quiet a bit, and you'd assume Arya is Winterfell bound when she gets word Jon & Sansa are there.

mikefoxo · 27-06-2016 01:54PM

Why did Pycelle get the chop?

duploelabs · 27-06-2016 01:55PM

rawn wrote: »

He seems to be halfway between human and Wight. Like he still has his memories and can speak, but is also dead but not quite a wight

You could say he's not quite wight in the head!!!!

#awyeah

golfball37 · 27-06-2016 01:55PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

That makes sense, and why the WW and Night King could be near the wall in series one and have yet to cross it.

If anything GoT is getting more interesting as it progresses.

BTW, does this mean Benjen is dead?!? If so why is he not under control of the Night King?

Benjen told Bran he was stabbed through the heart with dragonglass, that was how the walkers were created by the cof.
That's what makes him different to an ordinary wight

duploelabs · 27-06-2016 01:56PM

mikefoxo wrote: »

Why did Pycelle get the chop?

Cause he's not to be trusted

rawn · 27-06-2016 01:58PM

duploelabs wrote:

Cause he's not to be trusted

And Cersei despises him

mikefoxo · 27-06-2016 02:00PM

rawn wrote: »

And Cersei despises him

I know she didn't like him but wasn't he a Lannister supporter all through 6 seasons?

And why the hell is she even Queen? She was the old Kings mother, nothing else

homerun_homer · 27-06-2016 02:05PM

mikefoxo wrote: »

I know she didn't like him but wasn't he a Lannister supporter all through 6 seasons?

And why the hell is she even Queen? She was the old Kings mother, nothing else

Didn't she allude to him having possibly fiddled with her when she was young. If not fiddling with, being a creepy lech.

flazio · 27-06-2016 02:07PM

mikefoxo wrote: »

I know she didn't like him but wasn't he a Lannister supporter all through 6 seasons?

And why the hell is she even Queen? She was the old Kings mother, nothing else

Because no-one can find Gendry.

rawn · 27-06-2016 02:07PM

mikefoxo wrote:

I know she didn't like him but wasn't he a Lannister supporter all through 6 seasons?

It didn't matter to her because he didn't agree with her crazy notions, unlike Qyburne

KerranJast · 27-06-2016 02:10PM

mikefoxo wrote: »

I know she didn't like him but wasn't he a Lannister supporter all through 6 seasons?

And why the hell is she even Queen? She was the old Kings mother, nothing else

He was a supporter of Tywin. He's shown nothing but distain for Cersei.

walshb · 27-06-2016 02:14PM

Did Blondie get any fooking closer to taking the 7 kingdoms?

Penn · 27-06-2016 02:16PM

mikefoxo wrote: »

And why the hell is she even Queen? She was the old Kings mother, nothing else

It's the line of succession working backwards. All Robert Baratheon's children (legitimate as far as most are concerned) are now dead. None of them had any children. Robert's brothers are both dead, again with no children.

Cersei is basically the only person left in the line of succession from since Robert took the throne. Plus I'm sure everyone knows Cersei was responsible for the death of pretty much everyone else, so no-one is going to pipe up and say "Well, Robert does have a male cousin who is still alive..."

EagererBeaver · 27-06-2016 02:21PM

Penn wrote: »

It's the line of succession working backwards. All Robert Baratheon's children (legitimate as far as most are concerned) are now dead. None of them had any children. Robert's brothers are both dead, again with no children.

Cersei is basically the only person left in the line of succession from since Robert took the throne. Plus I'm sure everyone knows Cersei was responsible for the death of pretty much everyone else, so no-one is going to pipe up and say "Well, Robert does have a male cousin who is still alive..."

At what point does a monarch's spouse become part of the line of succession?

She's queen because there was nobody else in KL to oppose her, which annoys me a bit as the common people have been show to have completely rejected her.

croo · 27-06-2016 02:27PM

Jayop wrote: »

She whispered something we couldn't hear to Ned and them said something about protecting him.

She whispers, "His name is ... If Robert finds out he'll kill him. You know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me Ned. Promise me.".
I'm not certain but I think she said "His name is Rhaegar"

ricero · 27-06-2016 02:41PM

So danerys army, the martells and tyrells are all against cersei now. She wont last long as queen

rawn · 27-06-2016 02:43PM

ricero wrote:

So danerys army, the martylls and tyrells are all against cersei now. She wont last long as queen

Not to mention the families of those that died in the sept. I'm sure they'll throw their lot in with anyone who opposes her

Penn · 27-06-2016 02:52PM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

At what point does a monarch's spouse become part of the line of succession?

She's queen because there was nobody else in KL to oppose her, which annoys me a bit as the common people have been show to have completely rejected her.

When there is no one else on the line of succession. Robert's children are all dead (with no heirs), and his brothers are all dead (with no heirs). Even the Queen's brother and father are both dead now. They could possibly go further back into Robert's family and find an uncle or cousin, or even another Lannister cousin or something, but like you say, she's also Queen because there's no one to oppose her.

EagererBeaver · 27-06-2016 03:04PM

Penn wrote: »

When there is no one else on the line of succession. Robert's children are all dead (with no heirs), and his brothers are all dead (with no heirs). Even the Queen's brother and father are both dead now. They could possibly go further back into Robert's family and find an uncle or cousin, or even another Lannister cousin or something, but like you say, she's also Queen because there's no one to oppose her.

That's the only reason she's been able to crown herself. She has no right to the throne.

Conall Cernach · 27-06-2016 03:12PM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

That's the only reason she's been able to crown herself. She has no right to the throne.

That's probably one reason to get rid of Pycelle as well as Kevan Lannister and Mace Tyrell. As members of the small council they could speak out against her but as it is as long as she acts legitimate then a lot of people will put up with her. Qyburn will see to that.

milehip · 27-06-2016 03:21PM

Washout wrote: »

have we ever seen a group of young kids kill someone in such graphic detail..

didnt like margerys death for obvious reasons.

Well at least he managed to get one on the house from his ..ahem companion.

Ditto for Margery.

Great to see the sparrow get his mother's mercy.

Great score to a great episode.

PTH2009 · 27-06-2016 03:22PM

Penn wrote: »

When there is no one else on the line of succession. Robert's children are all dead (with no heirs), and his brothers are all dead (with no heirs). Even the Queen's brother and father are both dead now. They could possibly go further back into Robert's family and find an uncle or cousin, or even another Lannister cousin or something, but like you say, she's also Queen because there's no one to oppose her.

Would Jamie not be king ???

Conall Cernach · 27-06-2016 03:42PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Would Jamie not be king ???

Looks like Cersei invoked the "you snooze, you lose" article of Westerosi succession law. But as Tommen's nearest legitimate male kin he would normally be next in line.

castletownman · 27-06-2016 03:50PM

I usually determine the quality of an episode of GOT by my emotional reaction to what's going on in front of me. Well.... that earned at least four "wows" from me, and I even found myself welling up twice (Davos' confrontation of Melisandre and the pledge to to King of the north.....).The best episode to date in my opinion. Stunning.

I know there was a bit of pre-empting as regards to some of the plots that revealed in the episode (R+A=J/wild-fire), but that didn't take away from the overall drama of the occasion. Could have easily passed off as a film in itself.

The use of the score in the opening Kings Landing scenes was the best use of music I have seen in a TV show since the Leftovers. Simply beautiful and chilling at the same time.

nicki11 · 27-06-2016 03:53PM

eeguy wrote: »

While it still stands.

EagererBeaver wrote: »

This is the point. The wall is only an obstruction while it's there.

This is the whole point of a wall to hold things behind it, block your enemies and random strangers from invading your land.

Great episode loved every minute of it 9even if some people made very good guesses which turned out to be true -though some were years in the making- I only have myself to blame so I will probably read less theories about next season). I liked the Jon reveal the most (because yay finally also I guess Dany) but Kings landing was amazing great special effects, music and atmosphere, I loved how creepy Cersei's coronation and the murder of lancel was.

EagererBeaver · 27-06-2016 03:59PM

nicki11 wrote: »

This is the whole point of a wall to hold things behind it, block your enemies and random strangers from invading your land.

Great episode loved every minute of it 9even if some people made very good guesses which turned out to be true -though some were years in the making- I only have myself to blame so I will probably read less theories about next season). I liked the Jon reveal the most (because yay finally also I guess Dany) but Kings landing was amazing great special effects, music and atmosphere, I loved how creepy Cersei's coronation and the murder of lancel was.

Obviously that's the definition of a wall. My point of that it would be a bit thick to have the wall be a central tenet of five books and six seasons of a TV show if the Big Bad can just use a bit of trickery to walk through it.

J. Marston · 27-06-2016 04:03PM

Jon "The White Wolf" Snow.

Yet his white wolf is nowhere to be seen! I can understand not putting him in the battle and I'm glad they didn't but the image of Jon sitting at the head of Winterfell's court with Ghost by his side would've been so cool.

awec · 27-06-2016 04:16PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Would Jamie not be king ???

He has no claim.

Cersei's claim is as the wife / mother of previous kings, but it's a very weak claim.

Billy86 · 27-06-2016 04:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Excellent episode. While the episodes vary in quality, a few of them really have surpassed what's possible in movies in my opinion.

Yeah, this season had some downs (and a notable dry spell leading into the last two episodes) but I was very happy with it all in all. I think we can all agree last season struggled, probably due to growing pains of having to diverge from the books significantly in bits, but I found this season a remarkable return to form. Missing some of the fine nuances of the early seasons, and yes there were a few forced moments, contrivences, etc to drive the plot forward and such, but overall I was very satisfied with how it played out, and especially the momentum things have gained at the end where both Dany and the White Walkers (albeit probably a little further behind) appearing in Westeros are right around the corner (until Dany realises her fleet took a wrong turn when they land in Yeen or Gogossos or some sh*t).

The last two episodes were. Just. F***ing... :eek:

nix · 27-06-2016 04:22PM

J. Marston wrote: »

Jon "The White Wolf" Snow.

Yet his white wolf is nowhere to be seen!

From what i hear, The showrunners say it costs alot of $$$€€€€ to have him on screen, and from the last few episodes i think they may have used up the aul CGI budget

Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - "Non book readers"

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