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Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - "Non book readers"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭GottaGetGatt


    They eloped so they could have got married. Bran may have to pull off more Marty McFly craic to see.

    It doesn't matter really. Sure wasn't Cersei hell bent on killing all of Roberts bastard children because they would be heir to the thrones . So yes a bastard can be heir if he is the only son.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Liamario


    I jokingly told a friend that Darth Vader is Jon snow's father. This was just something random off the top of my head. Not inspired by the episode whatsoever. He knows Darth Vader is not Jon snows father and now he's accusing me of spoiling revelations about Jon snows parentage.

    While I appreciate I planted a seed, it's purely coincidental.

    What say you... Is he being paranoid or did I spoil the episode.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭golfball37


    So much going on that what Benjen said is more significant possibly than anything else. The dead cannot pass the wall.

    Surely this is major? Or maybe the walkers once south can zombify the newly deceased victims.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,089 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    Thank you Tommen for a new gif.

    Tommen be all like
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭eeguy


    golfball37 wrote: »
    So much going on that what Benjen said is more significant possibly than anything else. The dead cannot pass the wall.

    Surely this is major? Or maybe the walkers once south can zombify the newly deceased victims.


    While it still stands.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,996 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    eeguy wrote: »
    While it still stands.

    This is the point. The wall is only an obstruction while it's there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,327 ✭✭✭✭klose


    golfball37 wrote: »
    So much going on that what Benjen said is more significant possibly than anything else. The dead cannot pass the wall.

    Surely this is major? Or maybe the walkers once south can zombify the newly deceased victims.

    I think the nightkings mark on brann (assuming he still has it) will be the factor in the wall eventually coming down, I imagine brann will cross over the wall and the nightking can follow suit ala the 3 eyed ravens lair from earlier on in the season.



    Awesome episode and all plots lines nicely tied off, cersei essentially becoming the mad queen was a twist I did not see coming! I can see there being 3 main plot lines next season, the north, kings landing and danearys conquest with a bit of Euron thrown into the mix, so I can see why they have made the series shorter episode wise. Already looking forward!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭lynski


    Do bastards not have a rightful claim?
    In season 1 & two, didn't Cersi try and wipe out all of Roberts bastard's in Kings Landing. They must have been in the line of succession if she was that worried about them.

    She killed them because they proved her children were not Roberts - all baratheons were black of hair


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    klose wrote: »
    I think the nightkings mark on brann (assuming he still has it) will be the factor in the wall eventually coming down, I imagine brann will cross over the wall and the nightking can follow suit ala the 3 eyed ravens lair from earlier on in the season.



    Awesome episode and all plots lines nicely tied off, cersei essentially becoming the mad queen was a twist I did not see coming! I can see there being 3 main plot lines next season, the north, kings landing and danearys conquest with a bit of Euron thrown into the mix, so I can see why they have made the series shorter episode wise. Already looking forward!

    I guess Arya going through her list will also be a plot. Who is left alive thats on her list actually?


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,413 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    OK, so could somebody please explain to me how in the space of one episode (well since the end of the last one technically);

    - Arya got from Braavos to Riverrun
    - Jaime got from Riverrun back to KL in time to see the Sept still burning
    - Varys was able to get from Dorne to Meereen

    The episode was great in that a lot of storylines were resolved or got closer to resolution, but without the teleporter I don't know how they'd have managed it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,996 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    I guess Arya going through her list will also be a plot. Who is left alive thats on her list actually?

    Cersei, the Mountain, Ilyn Payne (hasn't been seen in years though) and the Hound, although given she's spared him once amd he's on a redemption quest, I don't see this happening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭rawn


    neris wrote:
    Sure was some woman on liveline weeks ago who had a small clothes shop up around there saying she,d over 2ks worth of stock nicked by the same kinda people who blatantly walked into the shop took stuff off the racks and put it up their dresses. These scum have no shame and are parasites and leeches on the city. They contribute nothing but take everything, theyre not even wanted in their own country

    Zaph wrote:
    - Arya got from Braavos to Riverrun - Jaime got from Riverrun back to KL in time to see the Sept still burning - Varys was able to get from Dorne to Meereen


    Time passed. They don't have to show every character making every journey to know that time passes!


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Excellent episode. While the episodes vary in quality, a few of them really have surpassed what's possible in movies in my opinion.

    The music in Kings Landing was great. Probably the best production value of the episode.
    Arya getting revenge was brilliant though I thought Rickon could have been mentioned in the North.
    Jon being a Targarrean is pretty much 100% confirmed. The show has always made a big deal about his parentage and now we've seen exactly where he came from and why Ned had to keep it secret. Would Robert have really killed his love's son? Maybe.
    Sam seems a bit out of the story right now unless he finds something to help defeat the Night King.

    So much stuff happened.. Crazy episode.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,089 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    Zaph wrote: »
    OK, so could somebody please explain to me how in the space of one episode (well since the end of the last one technically);

    - Arya got from Braavos to Riverrun
    - Jaime got from Riverrun back to KL in time to see the Sept still burning
    - Varys was able to get from Dorne to Meereen

    The episode was great in that a lot of storylines were resolved or got closer to resolution, but without the teleporter I don't know how they'd have managed it.

    Time passed by- just didn't show them travelling


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,996 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Excellent episode. While the episodes vary in quality, a few of them really have surpassed what's possible in movies in my opinion.

    The music in Kings Landing was great. Probably the best production value of the episode.
    Arya getting revenge was brilliant though I thought Rickon could have been mentioned in the North.
    Jon being a Targarrean is pretty much 100% confirmed. The show has always made a big deal about his parentage and now we've seen exactly where he came from and why Ned had to keep it secret. Would Robert have really killed his love's son? Maybe.
    Sam seems a bit out of the story right now unless he finds something to help defeat the Night King.

    So much stuff happened.. Crazy episode.

    I presume the reason Sam stole Heartsbane was so that he could study it at the Citadel to try and rediscover how to make Valyrian steel as it's known to kill White Walkers. Find it odd that his dad hasn't come after him though.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zaph wrote: »
    OK, so could somebody please explain to me how in the space of one episode (well since the end of the last one technically);

    - Arya got from Braavos to Riverrun
    - Jaime got from Riverrun back to KL in time to see the Sept still burning
    - Varys was able to get from Dorne to Meereen

    The episode was great in that a lot of storylines were resolved or got closer to resolution, but without the teleporter I don't know how they'd have managed it.

    Pretty much every episode now has a big time difference. Likes months. And within episodes, it's the same now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭podgemonster


    Zaph wrote: »
    OK, so could somebody please explain to me how in the space of one episode (well since the end of the last one technically);

    - Arya got from Braavos to Riverrun
    - Jaime got from Riverrun back to KL in time to see the Sept still burning
    - Varys was able to get from Dorne to Meereen

    The episode was great in that a lot of storylines were resolved or got closer to resolution, but without the teleporter I don't know how they'd have managed it.

    Stop presuming that all scenes in each episode occur in chronological order and that each scene is happening at the same time as another scene in another storyline ends.

    Let's say Arya's storyline up until ep 10 could have been played out in full in ep 2&3. Then the teleportation remark wouldn't exist. But the flow of the show has been altered and the themes of each episode would be compromised. Add into this using unnecessary screen time of Arya on a ship/Arya on a horse/Arya on the Kings Road. This to me is spoon feeding the viewers and would also ruin the surprise in Ep 10.

    The show can't afford anymore to spend precious minutes showing how characters commute or let storylines grow stale because a character is in transit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    1 thing I dont get or may have missed. The 2 dragons were locked up because Danerys could not control them any more. How is she suddenly able to control them again?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 97 ✭✭user53


    Did Olenna Tyrell know that Cersai had killed her family when talking to the Dornish?
    I know she mentions something about killing but did she mean physically dead?


  • Administrators Posts: 56,306 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Zaph wrote: »
    OK, so could somebody please explain to me how in the space of one episode (well since the end of the last one technically);

    - Arya got from Braavos to Riverrun
    - Jaime got from Riverrun back to KL in time to see the Sept still burning
    - Varys was able to get from Dorne to Meereen

    The episode was great in that a lot of storylines were resolved or got closer to resolution, but without the teleporter I don't know how they'd have managed it.

    Things in the same episodes do not happen at the same time. The story isn't linear like that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭rawn


    PTH2009 wrote:
    Is there another male targarayan alive ???

    PTH2009 wrote:
    He is in hiding and was believed too been killed by the mountain or someone ???

    user53 wrote:
    Did Olenna Tyrell know that Cersai had killed her family when talking to the Dornish? I know she mentions something about killing but did she mean physically dead?


    Yes she knew and was wearing mourning clothes. It must have been maybe 2 weeks later?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    golfball37 wrote: »
    The dead cannot pass the wall.

    That makes sense, and why the WW and Night King could be near the wall in series one and have yet to cross it.

    If anything GoT is getting more interesting as it progresses.

    BTW, does this mean Benjen is dead?!? If so why is he not under control of the Night King?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 97 ✭✭user53


    1 thing I dont get or may have missed. The 2 dragons were locked up because Danerys could not control them any more. How is she suddenly able to control them again?

    She couldn't control any but now she can control the largest one I suppose he'll keep the others in order or something :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭rawn


    Avatar MIA wrote:
    BTW, does this mean Benjen is dead?!? If so why is he not under control of the Night King?


    He seems to be halfway between human and Wight. Like he still has his memories and can speak, but is also dead but not quite a wight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,998 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    Could John end up marrying his aunt dani O_O
    He should wait a few years and then marry Lyanna Mormont.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,089 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    Question:
    Does Ayra know about Rickon and Bran "being killed by Theon"? Would Theon be on her list?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,053 ✭✭✭homerun_homer


    1 thing I dont get or may have missed. The 2 dragons were locked up because Danerys could not control them any more. How is she suddenly able to control them again?

    The way I see this is that she has a stronger connection to Drogon of the three dragons. When she was at her weakest in Mereen, unable to control things, looking powerless and not the full powerhouse she can be, Drogon fecked off. I think there is some special relationship, like their mids are synched or something so that Drogon knows when she is in trouble, like in the fighting pits, and comes to save the day. I don't think that was just coincidence. Then Drogon got lazy, Dany was still not back to her most confident.

    It wasn't until she burned the Khal's that she began to show that side again so naturally they find each other and now they are a stronger pair than ever before.

    The two dragons in captivity no doubt reacted to the return of Drogon and broke free from their prison to help in the battle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,053 ✭✭✭homerun_homer


    wp_rathead wrote: »
    Question:
    Does Ayra know about Rickon and Bran "being killed by Theon"? Would Theon be on her list?

    She doesn't know. Theon was never on her list.

    Cersai, The Mountain, Walder Frey, The Hound, The Red Woman ( who said she'd meet Arya again), Ilyn Payne, Ser Meryn Trant, Joffrey, Tywin Lannister, Toros of Myr & Berrick.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,306 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    wp_rathead wrote: »
    Question:
    Does Ayra know about Rickon and Bran "being killed by Theon"? Would Theon be on her list?

    He's not on the list.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,408 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Every week we get people talking about teleporters. The writers and directors have addressed it with perfectly valid reasoning.

    Even GRRM has a foreword in one or two of the books about timelines and how time differs between certain storylines and characters.


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