Eir rural FTTH thread

Nyum Nyum · 21-06-2016 09:11AM

The poles near me in Macroom ( a few doors away... :mad: )had a a very thin line added to the top last month. You can see the newer, cleaner bracket. It's the same area as marked by the blue lines on the map. It goes towards Clondrohid too.

In my case it seems to be Macroom West which is where the blue lines are going - whereas I'm a few doors away on the other side of the boundary in Macroom. Balls. :mad:

Gonzo · 21-06-2016 12:30PM

plodder wrote: »

But, they are claiming FTTH installs have been done already (500 in May). So, there must be fibre up on poles already.

im fairly certain those 500 FTTH installs during May were belong to Eir's 66 towns scheme and not the rural blue line scheme.

marno21 · 21-06-2016 12:34PM

Yes, that's correct.

Eir will likely finish the FTTC/eir Fibre rollout before moving onto the FTTH rollout. Especially seeing as they are working on most of the rural exchanges/cabinets at present

Gonzo · 21-06-2016 12:37PM

marno21 wrote: »

Yes, that's correct.

Eir will likely finish the FTTC/eir Fibre rollout before moving onto the FTTH rollout. Especially seeing as they are working on most of the rural exchanges/cabinets at present

that kinda worries me because by the time Eir finish rollout of FTTC (still alot of cabinets to go).. it will be much closer to winter and bad weather and short days. Will Eir really work on poles during November, December and January?

plodder · 21-06-2016 02:16PM

marno21 wrote: »

Yes, that's correct.

Eir will likely finish the FTTC/eir Fibre rollout before moving onto the FTTH rollout. Especially seeing as they are working on most of the rural exchanges/cabinets at present

Now that you mention it, that tallies with what I'm expecting. FTTC available locally in the next couple of months, and rural FTTH Winter 2017, which is a dilemma in itself. I'm very close to where the cabinet is going, but wonder if I should wait until the fibre arrives.

pegasus1 · 21-06-2016 07:57PM

Gonzo wrote: »

that kinda worries me because by the time Eir finish rollout of FTTC (still alot of cabinets to go).. it will be much closer to winter and bad weather and short days. Will Eir really work on poles during November, December and January?

Gonzo any hedges/trees that were not finished by march the first will have to wait until september 1st.

legocrazy505 · 21-06-2016 07:59PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

Gonzo any hedges/trees that were not finished by march the first will have to wait until september 1st.

Oh dear, I saw KNN a week ago cutting back some really high hedges around some poles near Tipperary. Better report them to the farmers and then the EU, killing the environment and the poor birds. They didn't cut it that much, just away from the top areas of a few poles.

daraghwal · 21-06-2016 08:02PM

legocrazy505 wrote: »

Oh dear, I saw KNN a week ago cutting back some really high hedges around some poles near Tipperary. Better report them to the farmers and then the EU, killing the environment and the poor birds. They didn't cut it that much, just away from the top areas of a few poles.

It's actually legal to cut the tops of hedges. Just not the sides. And farmers actually want the hedges to be cut!!

pegasus1 · 21-06-2016 08:10PM

legocrazy505 wrote: »

Oh dear, I saw KNN a week ago cutting back some really high hedges around some poles near Tipperary. Better report them to the farmers and then the EU, killing the environment and the poor birds. They didn't cut it that much, just away from the top areas of a few poles.

http://www.iwt.ie/what-we-do/hedgerows

legocrazy505 · 21-06-2016 08:15PM

daraghwal wrote: »

It's actually legal to cut the tops of hedges. Just not the sides. And farmers actually want the hedges to be cut!!

Technically though with the position of the hedge they had to cut parts of the sides of it. It was near the end of the hedge. I'll look to see how much was taken back when I'm on way back from my DCG exam tomorrow.

pegasus1 · 21-06-2016 08:25PM

daraghwal wrote: »

It's actually legal to cut the tops of hedges.

where does it state this Daraghwal? sorry for going off topic...

daraghwal · 21-06-2016 08:37PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

where does it state this Daraghwal? sorry for going off topic...

I have no idea where to find it in writing. I think it was a council worker could have told me? Also hedges and trees can be cut down on grounds of health and safety too.

pegasus1 · 21-06-2016 08:41PM

daraghwal wrote: »

I have no idea where to find it in writing. I think it was a council worker could have told me? Also hedges and trees can be cut down on grounds of health and safety too.

I think he was giving you some bs...:rolleyes:

Yes, hedges can be cut for safety but they over do the cuttingbut cutting hedges for easier pole access isn't allowed unless its for repair work...imo

council worker aka man on a shovel said to me once, that hedge cutting was legal from 1st of Aug. I put him in his place...

daraghwal · 21-06-2016 08:48PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

I think he was giving you some bs...:rolleyes:

Yes, hedges can be cut for safety but they over do the cuttingbut cutting hedges for easier pole access isn't allowed unless its for repair work...imo

council worker aka man on a shovel said to me once, that hedge cutting was legal from 1st of Aug. I put him in his place...

Yeah probably was bs when I can't find it in writing. Obviously KN aren't supposed to be cutting now and it wasn't a health and safety so it wasn't right but I suppose they can probably find some way to bend the rules. Anyway are people here worried about the hedge with little or no wildlife in it around the pole or are they worried about getting broadband before we're all on our pensions!

ED E · 21-06-2016 09:04PM

After March 1st theres a national ban on hedgerow cutting for the protection of young fauna. Nobody can cut them now (bar the ESB I assume).

“40(1) (a) It shall be an offence for a person to cut, grub, burn or otherwise
destroy during the period beginning on the 1st day of March and ending on the 31st
day of August in any year, any vegetation growing on any land not then cultivated.
(b) It shall be an offence for a person to cut, grub, burn or otherwise destroy any
vegetation growing in any hedge or ditch during the period mentioned in paragraph
(a) of this subsection.”
Exemptions to the Closed Period
(2) Subsection (1) of this section shall not apply in relation to
“(a) the destroying, in the ordinary course of agriculture or forestry, of any
vegetation growing on or in any hedge or ditch;”
“(b) the cutting or grubbing of isolated bushes or clumps of gorse, furze or
whin or the mowing of isolated growths of fern in the ordinary course of
agriculture; “
“(c) the cutting, grubbing or destroying of vegetation in the course of any
works being duly carried out for reasons of public health or safety by a
Minister of the Government or a body established or regulated by or
under a statute;”
“(cc) the clearance of vegetation in the course of fisheries development
works carried out by the Central Fisheries Board or a regional fisheries
board in the exercise of its functions under the Fisheries Acts, 1959 to
1999;”
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“(d) the destroying of any noxious weed to which the Noxious Weeds Act,
1936, applies; “
“(f) the removal or destruction of vegetation required by a notice served by
the Minister under section 62 (1) of the Act of 1946 to be removed or
destroyed;”
“(e) the clearance of vegetation in the course of road or other construction
works or in the development or preparation of sites on which any
building or other structure is intended to be provided; “

ItHurtsWhenIP · 21-06-2016 11:55PM

daraghwal wrote: »

Yeah probably was bs when I can't find it in writing. Obviously KN aren't supposed to be cutting now and it wasn't a health and safety so it wasn't right but I suppose they can probably find some way to bend the rules. Anyway are people here worried about the hedge with little or no wildlife in it around the pole or are they worried about getting broadband before we're all on our pensions!

I know some people that have stopped using a strimmer on long grass near hedges in case they hurt hedgehogs! :eek:

I'm an animal lover and all, but there has got to be some practical limits. They've made me feel guilty for cutting dandelions cos of the bees!!! :rolleyes:

daraghwal · 22-06-2016 12:23AM

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

I know some people that have stopped using a strimmer on long grass near hedges in case they hurt hedgehogs! :eek:

I'm an animal lover and all, but there has got to be some practical limits. They've made me feel guilty for cutting dandelions cos of the bees!!! :rolleyes:

I actually hope to become a vet so definitely don't want to see animals coming to any harm but there are some hedges etc that there are definitely no animals in them that could be harmed. On my road there is a stone wall with weeds that come out of it. It is impossible for an animal to live in it but still it can't be trimmed. The law should allow people to have a little bit of judgement to decide what should or shouldn't be cut. Anyway, I'm sure there's another thread about this somewhere.

plodder · 22-06-2016 04:05AM

(e) the clearance of vegetation in the course of road or other construction
works or in the development or preparation of sites on which any
building or other structure is intended to be provided; “

Not a lawyer, but I'd say poles are structures, and wires probably aren't. So, clearing around new poles should be okay, but not anything else.

pegasus1 · 22-06-2016 08:52AM

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

I know some people that have stopped using a strimmer on long grass near hedges in case they hurt hedgehogs! :eek:

I'm an animal lover and all, but there has got to be some practical limits. They've made me feel guilty for cutting dandelions cos of the bees!!! :rolleyes:

So they should..there is a big push nationally as well as in the north for the all ireland pollinator plan to save the bees and other pollinators..without the bees etc live as you know it will cease..

when september 1st comes there will be loads of work done on hedging and pulling of fibres along poles

The esb are constrained by the no cutting as well...cause they bring trees and hedging right back...unless there is danger of wires being shorted..

Darraghw, if you are looking to become a vet think of the small critters...the ones you don't see...go read that other thread..and good luck in getting to be a vet..

daraghwal · 22-06-2016 10:36AM

pegasus1 wrote: »

So they should..there is a big push nationally as well as in the north for the all ireland pollinator plan to save the bees and other pollinators..without the bees etc live as you know it will cease..

when september 1st comes there will be loads of work done on hedging and pulling of fibres along poles

The esb are constrained by the no cutting as well...cause they bring trees and hedging right back...unless there is danger of wires being shorted..

Darraghw, if you are looking to become a vet think of the small critters...the ones you don't see...go read that other thread..and good luck in getting to be a vet..

Never thought of the small critters :eek: Thanks

pegasus1 · 22-06-2016 11:42PM

Got a reply back from the Irish wildlife thrust, same as what I've said beforehand
Quote - It is illegal to cut hedges from 1 March to 31 August, you can report it to the Conservation Ranger for the area, here's a link to all their contact details. Thank you. http://www.irishwildlifematters.ie/animals/contacts.html#GO-NPWS

Barney224 · 23-06-2016 05:03PM

I have a question on FTTH (hopefully not too naive!)

I'm waiting for FTTH in my area and am looking forward to it as I've been on a poxy mobile dongle for the last 5 years!

On the Eir site, when it says speeds of up to 1000 Mbps, what exactly does this mean? Does it depend on which ISP you choose and what package you purchase in what speeds you can get? Would anyone ever get the full 1000 mbps speeds, even if they were available?

ED E · 23-06-2016 05:34PM

Barney224 wrote: »

On the Eir site, when it says speeds of up to 1000 Mbps, what exactly does this mean? Does it depend on which ISP you choose and what package you purchase in what speeds you can get? Would anyone ever get the full 1000 mbps speeds, even if they were available?

Distance doesnt matter like previous access networks, speed is the same at 500m or 15km. You just purchase the package you want.

Service - FTTH Effective   From  Effective to  Price &#8364;
NGA Bitstream Plus Standalone 150Mbps 31/08/2015 20.50
NGA Bitstream Plus Standalone 300Mbps 31/08/2015 25.50
NGA Bitstream Plus Standalone 1000Mbps 31/08/2015 35.50

Retail operators can resell any of these. With current split ratio you could see slow downs if your neighbours are active at the time.

ItHurtsWhenIP · 23-06-2016 05:36PM

Barney224 wrote: »

I have a question on FTTH (hopefully not too naive!)

I'm waiting for FTTH in my area and am looking forward to it as I've been on a poxy mobile dongle for the last 5 years!

On the Eir site, when it says speeds of up to 1000 Mbps, what exactly does this mean? Does it depend on which ISP you choose and what package you purchase in what speeds you can get? Would anyone ever get the full 1000 mbps speeds, even if they were available?

It means you can get download speeds of up to 1,000Mbps! :rolleyes:
Yes - eir and some other ISPs will offer packages up to an including the full 1,000Mbps speeds.
You probably will not get all the way to 1,000Mbps, but likely in the 950-975Mbps range, all going well. In the lower packages I'd expect them to deliver closer to the stated target.

Of course you will need to be sure that your equipment can handle these speeds (Cat-5e cabling minimum, Gigabit NICs and switches, etc.). I'm not sure what speeds will be attainable over WiFi, but you will probably get nowhere near 1,000Mbps on that.

Barney224 · 23-06-2016 05:49PM

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

It means you can get download speeds of up to 1,000Mbps! :rolleyes:

Yes - eir and some other ISPs will offer packages up to an including the full 1,000Mbps speeds.

You probably will not get all the way to 1,000Mbps, but likely in the 950-975Mbps range, all going well. In the lower packages I'd expect them to deliver closer to the stated target.

Of course you will need to be sure that your equipment can handle these speeds (Cat-5e cabling minimum, Gigabit NICs and switches, etc.). I'm not sure what speeds will be attainable over WiFi, but you will probably get nowhere near 1,000Mbps on that.

Thanks for info!
i was just curious as to what the options were available to me. Currently I'm getting 5-10 Mbps on 3G/4G so will be happy with anything faster than this!

The Cush · 23-06-2016 06:08PM

Just to add, eir retail offer 3 FTTH packages, with phoneline (eir Fibre Broadband) or without phoneline (Standalone eir Broadband)

eir Fibre Extreme 150Mb
eir Fibre Extreme 300Mb
eir Fibre Extreme 1000Mb

See page 3 of this eir document for pricing - https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/Part3.1.pdf

legocrazy505 · 23-06-2016 08:25PM

The Cush wrote: »

Just to add, eir retail offer 3 FTTH packages, with phoneline (eir Fibre Broadband) or without phoneline (Standalone eir Broadband)

eir Fibre Extreme 150Mb
eir Fibre Extreme 300Mb
eir Fibre Extreme 1000Mb

See page 3 of this eir document for pricing - https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/Part3.1.pdf

Seems reasonable. Hopefully if they get the NBP the offers for lower speeds means the less technologically savvy will actually be happy to take up the offer of FTTH. Not everyone will want 1gbps so to offer those cheaper options is very welcome.

Obviously though I would kill for 1gbps but I know a lot around the village probably wouldn't see the point in it.

ads20101 · 23-06-2016 09:46PM

The Cush wrote: »

Just to add, eir retail offer 3 FTTH packages, with phoneline (eir Fibre Broadband) or without phoneline (Standalone eir Broadband)

eir Fibre Extreme 150Mb
eir Fibre Extreme 300Mb
eir Fibre Extreme 1000Mb

See page 3 of this eir document for pricing - https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/Part3.1.pdf

Am I reading that right.

€55.49 for a 1Gb/s FTTH rental

The Cush · 23-06-2016 09:59PM

ads20101 wrote: »

Am I reading that right.

€55.49 for a 1Gb/s FTTH rental

+ phoneline rental.

€70 without phoneline/standalone.

ads20101 · 23-06-2016 10:02PM

The Cush wrote: »

+ phoneline rental.

€70 without phoneline/standalone.

Still not a bad price for what is being offered (if they ever get round to actually filling in those lovely blue lines)

Eir rural FTTH thread

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