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Should all religion be banned?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭valoren


    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    Personally I do believe in God but I'm beginning to think religion is one of the biggest reasons people don't believe. This scientist seams to believe.
    http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2016/06/scientist-says-he-found-definitive-proof-that-god-exists-video-2481345.html

    Primitive semi-radius tachyons are not exactly definitive proof of 'God'


  • Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Keep it - I like talking to the sky
    What about horoscopes? Ban them too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,713 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Even your poll is a load of shite.

    Away to A&A with you, you'll get the thanks and back slapping you want over there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Parachutes


    Believe it or not you're a religious fundamentalist, just on the opposite side of the spectrum. Horse shoe theory comes to mind.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 976 ✭✭✭beach_walker


    What about horoscopes? Ban them too?

    Yes, it's all for the good of the proletariat. They're too stupid to be trusted with deciding upon/thinking about things themselves. The State will step in and guide their fragile minds (strict penalties for deviation from State approved thoughts).

    Great idea OP.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    o1s1n wrote: »
    No it shouldn't, as mockery is subjective - so a fun joke to you might be mockery of someone else. Where do we draw the line?

    The way some atheists carry on is just as bad as islamophobics posting. Who cares what someone else believes as long as it's not being shoved down your throat? Whatever makes someone feel better. It's a personal thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,004 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Ban it? Nah, prohibition doesn't work. I would, however, be in favour of:

    Removing religion entirely from our health, education and justice systems.
    Taxing religious orders as the businesses they are.
    Removing all traces of it from the State Broadcaster: if a religious order wants media time, let them pay for their own advertising.
    Removing the right of religious orders to carry out legal marriages: if people want a blessing or ceremony of some sort that's fine but no religion should be acting on behalf of the state.
    Prosecuting anyone found guilty of the genital mutilation of children as the monsters they are.
    Banning religious orders from lobbying government officials.

    Once shorn of it's historic privilges, I believe religion would die out even faster than it currently is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Banning stuff dosnt work

    Remove tax exempt status for religions, if a faith school receives a cert in state funding they shouldn't be allowed discriminate against unbaptised kids etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭Its dead Jim


    Wouldn't ban it. Would make it so that a religion can't lobby unless it wants to start paying taxes.

    The religious will be here soon to start giving out about atheists so it's best to get out before it all goes to ****.


  • Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Keep it - I like talking to the sky
    We should ban murder while we're at it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Walter H Price


    Keep it - I like talking to the sky
    I think a world without religion would be a better more rational place but the way to achieve that is not to ban it its to keep endeavoring to prove the tenants of religion to be false. Religion has already lost its relevance in most of Asia , western Europe and North america ( with the obvious exception of the american Bible Belt) In time Islam will come to be recognized as an oppressive load of nonsense the same as Christianity was in Europe it will take time and for the governments of the Middle East and Africa to be properly challenge by the international community.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,146 ✭✭✭muckwarrior


    Off to the A&A thread with you OP. You might get the responses you want to help you fap off.

    By "A&A thread" I assume you mean the Atheism & Agnosticism forum? What makes you think people there will help the OP "fap off"? As an atheist I find organised religion silly, but the idea of legislating people's personal beliefs is completely ludicrous!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Off to the A&A thread with you OP. You might get the responses you want to help you fap off.

    You'll find most atheists are reasonable and wouldn't want religion banned. Maybe you're getting confused with the desire to see religious influence removed from public policy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    If religion were banned it would go underground. It would be like thirties America during prohibition. Gangsters would open their own shops selling bootleg Bibles. Instead of a speakeasy this kind of establishment would be called a prayeasy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    No not religion full stop. Organised religion maybe, has far too much power in this world. I think meditation, reflection and thought of after life and a god watching over is very beneficial to a lot of people's live though.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    valoren wrote: »
    Primitive semi-radius tachyons are not exactly definitive proof of 'God'

    Still if you are right you'll never find out but if
    You are wrong it might be a bit of a shock to you when you find out.

    I think religion and God are two totally different things not to be confused. IMO atisiam is a type of religion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,102 ✭✭✭✭lertsnim


    You will never remove religion. How would you do it?

    Tax all religious organisations like any other money making business. Also take all religion away from the schools. If parents are serious about their child being religious then go to a Sunday school. It is poisonous brainwashing.

    Poor poll options by the way


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    eviltwin wrote: »
    You'll find most atheists are reasonable and wouldn't want religion banned. Maybe you're getting confused with the desire to see religious influence removed from public policy.

    No, browsing the A&A forums and some of the hate and bile towards different faiths, I'm not confused. This thread be better suited there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,924 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    The way some atheists carry on is just as bad as islamophobics posting. Who cares what someone else believes as long as it's not being shoved down your throat? Whatever makes someone feel better. It's a personal thing.

    I completely agree with you, I just don't agree with the idea of banning any kind of lampooning/comedy/mockery/thought as it's a step in the wrong direction.

    I'm an atheist myself and don't 'carry on' like you've suggested. I have however come across viewpoints which could be seen as 'mockery' of atheism (yours above for example, comparing it to Islamophobic posts) - I'd never in a million years want to shut you down for it, say it as much as you want - I will do what I always do in such instances and just counter with well thought out retorts (okay maybe not this time as I'm about to run out the door! :))


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭Jack Killian


    Trying to ban all the Jews about 60 years ago went down a treat :rolleyes:

    Let people believe whatever the feic they want IMO. Religion is like a penis, once you're not shoving yours down my throat you can do what you want with it.

    You left quite a lot of other options - er - open......


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 976 ✭✭✭beach_walker


    bubblypop wrote: »
    I think we should ban hot dogs.
    I don't understand how anyone likes them! I mean, they just look like that dogs mickey bit that pops out when they are horny.
    So smooth and pink.
    Gross.
    And me & my buddy always argue about this, she loves them. I don't understand. Surely anyone can see/taste how gross they are?

    To add, I really don't get how people trust them from random street vendors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    Banning religion? That would be like banning mistakes. Religion is fundamentally a mistake about how the world works.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Yeah, the poll is way too restricted.

    I agree with most of the posts I've read over on the thread so far - I want to see it removed from schools and, well, anything state-run. The State should be for all its citizens, not just the Catholic ones. I do not agree with the indoctrination of children, nor do I agree with the religious emphasis put in to teacher training courses. And once your religion starts conflicting with the laws of the State (kill homosexuals, chop bits off children), the laws of the State absolutely come first, second and last.

    Schools should not be faith-based, and really should not be allowed to discriminate on the faith of the children they take in. I know this is a hugely complex situation, given who runs the schools and often owns the buildings/land or has the deeds based on x,y and z restrictions, but this does have to change. It's slowly changing, but while it is in flux as it is now, children don't get an education very easily. Let faith-based schooling be restricted to after-school or Sunday School.

    If religion must be taught in schools, it should be taught impersonally. "Religion and Culture", perhaps, teach children about beliefs around the world, along with the cultures that it helps to shape and be shaped by. That would be more useful to them than indoctrination into one specific religion (be it Catholicism, Sunni/Shi'ite/whatever Islam, Judaism in its various forms, etcetera).
    And don't even get me started on schools teaching religious interpretations over verifiable facts such as evolution!

    Religion should be a private and personal thing and a decision that people come to themselves as and if they wish. Wearing outward signs of their religion is also a personal choice, be it a rosary or a hijab, although again, if the school requires a uniform, then that's how it is. If it demands no jewellery, then that comes before wearing a crucifix too. I feel no need to slag off religious people, their faith is important to them, and to make fun of it seems just plain rude.

    Also, I'm on the A+A forum, so I do apologise if my post isn't fapworthy. But relatively few of us are militant, just don't like militant Christians demanding their ways to be everyone's ways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Religion is a man-made concept created for people who can't stand the idea of death being the end, or they require a "meaning" to their existence, or requiring a moral authority.

    If there was no religion, people like this (read "Americans") would end up either committing suicide due to depression, or go on a mad murderous rampage because they know there are no repercussions after death.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Religion can be used for good or evil, but then so can science and I don't think one would do a poll 'should science be banned?'.

    In China they banned the Roman Catholic church, but since you can't stop religion, they made set up an alternative Catholic church which has the Chinese state as the head of the church and they did this with other faiths too. Estimates of 5 to 6 million Chinese belong to the illegal Catholic church.

    The Soviets cracked down on the Russian Orthodox church as they tried to remove religion from society.
    The Khmer Rouge killed millions of Buddhists, Christians and Muslims in Cambodia in a bid to rid the country of religion.

    Any society that had rulers that tried to ban religion, ended up with lots of death and eventually accepting religion in some form, as banning religion turns out be very destructive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Religion is like a penis, once you're not shoving yours down my throat you can do what you want with it.
    Well, they don't though, do they? I guess if you are not one of the following class of person:

    1. Non-catholic parent of a child trying find a non-catholic school for that child;
    2. A woman pregnant by rape that wants to not be pregnant anymore;
    3. A woman pregnant with an embryo with a fatal foetal abnormality that wants to not be pregnant anymore;
    4. A pregnant woman with cancer that wants treatment for that cancer
    then you can probably argue that no penises (I presume you mean metaphorical penises?) are being shoved down your throat, and good for you. I am glad you are all right.


    MrP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Banning it would only make it stronger, religion thrives in perceived persecution.

    I take away some of it's concessions though, they shouldn't be able to make unsubstantiated claims just as other advertisers can't make unsubstantiated claims about their products. They shouldn't be able to make sweeping generalisations saying that just believing in god will make everything better. Or that praying will get you the things that you want.

    But other than that we're probably stuck with religion forever, I think it will evolve with us and may become more about maintaining a moral identity and way of life that's beneficial to everyone.

    I don't see it as a bad thing, it has been one of the most important and influential inventions humanity has ever came up with. It was part of a fantastic realization that there is a system to everything we see, that all life is interconnected and that there's more to life than survival.

    It was basically science beta. It served us well in our ignorance but we've outgrown it now.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 976 ✭✭✭beach_walker


    mrcheez wrote: »
    Religion is a man-made concept created for people who can't stand the idea of death being the end, or they require a "meaning" to their existence, or requiring a moral authority.

    If there was no religion, people like this (read "Americans") would end up either committing suicide due to depression, or go on a mad murderous rampage because they know there are no repercussions after death.

    Aye, good lad *pats on head*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Aye, good lad *pats on head*

    Prove me wrong :)


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 976 ✭✭✭beach_walker


    mrcheez wrote: »
    Prove me wrong :)

    You must be worried about all us potential (likely?) mass murders in your midst.


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