Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

einn32 · 20-06-2016 10:57PM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

einn32 wrote: »

I had camel milk yesterday morning in my porridge and coffee in work. Bosses daughter runs a camel farm and processing facility. It returns a good price per litre. Tastes alright too!

Any idea how much they milk? Where are you based?

Not a clue about camels! 5/6 L a day it says on the website. They make soap too, sell camels and are looking for suppliers. I think there are a few camel farms around here. It has a lot of health benefits. I'm in Victoria, Australia.

rangler1 · 20-06-2016 10:59PM

Water John wrote: »

That has a bitter taste to it, Rangler.
Then may be I'm very niaive. I think Rosseau was the philospher who promoted that ideal of human behaviour.

Don't know if you were listening today to Mairead Mc Guinness thoughts on peoples behaviour on social media.
Don't know why people who claim somethings wrong can't sort it, whingeing about it on here wouldn't be the way I'd handle it....people have to man up

Dawggone · 20-06-2016 11:00PM

einn32 wrote: »

Not a clue about camels! 5/6 L a day it says on the website. They make soap too, sell camels and are looking for suppliers. I think there are a few camel farms around here. It has a lot of health benefits. I'm in Victoria, Australia.

Shoes?
Cigarettes?

What can be more influential than the old fags?

keep going · 20-06-2016 11:09PM

einn32 wrote: »

Not a clue about camels! 5/6 L a day it says on the website. They make soap too, sell camels and are looking for suppliers. I think there are a few camel farms around here. It has a lot of health benefits. I'm in Victoria, Australia.

Would they be cold here, should we get teagsc to do a trial on them.

Water John · 20-06-2016 11:09PM

I was saying that I prefer Rosseau to Neitzsche if you will.

Mairead turning to sociology? I think I'll rely on my own opinions and sociological observations, since I have studied the subject.

Any way I was suggesting earlier that farmers themselves look at diversifying. As with some of the responses it would not suit every one. But a good few taking more control of their own destiny would be good for all farmers.
Whelan, everyone supplying a farmer with a service or product is not guaranteed payment unless they are COD. So its all around you.

einn32 · 20-06-2016 11:15PM

Dawggone wrote: »

einn32 wrote: »

Not a clue about camels! 5/6 L a day it says on the website. They make soap too, sell camels and are looking for suppliers. I think there are a few camel farms around here. It has a lot of health benefits. I'm in Victoria, Australia.

Shoes?
Cigarettes?

What can be more influential than the old fags?

I never heard of the shoes but I know the fags. Camel sold 1 trillion cigarettes in the last century! Big publicity on the health benefits...

einn32 · 20-06-2016 11:23PM

keep going wrote: »

einn32 wrote: »

Not a clue about camels! 5/6 L a day it says on the website. They make soap too, sell camels and are looking for suppliers. I think there are a few camel farms around here. It has a lot of health benefits. I'm in Victoria, Australia.

Would they be cold here, should we get teagsc to do a trial on them.

Nah I doubt it, Ireland doesn't get cold! Just get straight in to it! I've heard a lot of comments on how if you're not supplying a niche agri market you're in trouble. Maybe some of us need to become agricultural entrepreneurs to survive?

Water John · 20-06-2016 11:26PM

At least with the camels, you won't need a pit in the milking parlour.

kowtow · 21-06-2016 12:06AM

Water John wrote:

At least with the camels, you won't need a pit in the milking parlour.

One of those step ladders with wheels should do the trick.

kevthegaff · 21-06-2016 12:11AM

Water John wrote:

At least with the camels, you won't need a pit in the milking parlour.

Nor water troughs

Farmer Ed · 21-06-2016 02:24AM

rangler1 wrote: »

Don't know if you were listening today to Mairead Mc Guinness thoughts on peoples behaviour on social media.
Don't know why people who claim somethings wrong can't sort it, whingeing about it on here wouldn't be the way I'd handle it....people have to man up

I didn't hear Mairead but I did hear a few
Very well healed types are on the radio yesterday. Apparently if Denis O Brien doesn't own it, it might be dangerous, Even Phil Hogan gets a hard time on social media I understand. Terrible shocking carry on altogether apparently.

Thank God for social media IMO. If it wasn't for boards you wouldnt be able to use boards to complain about boards.

I am pretty sure they have much stricter controls on social media in other countries. Hmmm? I'm pretty sure they've been very successful in reducing the amount of "whingers" in places like north Korea.

whelan2 · 21-06-2016 06:29AM

Water John wrote: »

At least with the camels, you won't need a pit in the milking parlour.

How much would a camel cost? How long would it produce milk for?

alps · 21-06-2016 06:33AM

whelan2 wrote: »

How much would a camel cost? How long would it produce milk for?

http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/uk-s-biggest-camel-herd-up-for-sale.htm

whelan2 · 21-06-2016 07:26AM

alps wrote: »

http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/uk-s-biggest-camel-herd-up-for-sale.htm

Wonder how the bank man would feel about looking for money to buy them?

rangler1 · 21-06-2016 07:41AM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

I didn't hear Mairead but I did hear a few
Very well healed types are on the radio yesterday. Apparently if Denis O Brien doesn't own it, it might be dangerous, Even Phil Hogan gets a hard time on social media I understand. Terrible shocking carry on altogether apparently.

Thank God for social media IMO. If it wasn't for boards you wouldnt be able to use boards to complain about boards.

I am pretty sure they have much stricter controls on social media in other countries. Hmmm? I'm pretty sure they've been very successful in reducing the amount of "whingers" in places like north Korea.

A lot of your ''alleged'' issues are local, yet you seem incapable of dealing with them seems a bit pointless going on and on about them. conspiracy forum might be worth a try.
''Just because you're not paranoid however doesn't mean they're not out to get you''

Farmer Ed · 21-06-2016 08:25AM

Thank you Rangler I'm glad you may not think I'm not paranoid. No I don't agree that there is anyone out to get me as that would be a bit of a contradiction don't you think? I do feel that a lot of dairy farmers are facing a very stressful situation at the moment and do believe that there has been a major disregard shown for our wellbeing by some of the larger co ops over the past couple of years that is now contributing to the gap we are seeing to emerge between the best and the Worst paying Co ops. Even Ifa are now starting to use the likes of West Cork as a model for making the best returns to farmer's.

Don't get me wrong. The dairy industry is still delivering and will continue to deliver white gold. But not to the farmer. I don't think many of us have defined benefit pensions.

Farmer Ed · 21-06-2016 08:40AM

alps wrote: »

http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/uk-s-biggest-camel-herd-up-for-sale.htm

I'm getting interested now. They clear thistles and gorse!!! The price is a bit hefty tho. I did see somewhere else that if you don't milk them in 90seconds milk letdown stops? I wonder are they even machine Milked? I guess I simply can't afford them right now anyway and I don't even have any daughters or anything I could swap.

RightTurnClyde · 21-06-2016 08:42AM

Just thinking, should there be a thread called "Milk politics" and the "political" end of milk could be discussed there. The discussion here has veered way off actual milk pricing

Farmer Ed · 21-06-2016 08:53AM

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Just thinking, should there be a thread called "Milk politics" and the "political" end of milk could be discussed there. The discussion here has veered way off actual milk pricing

Sorry but the way the milk price works is the Coop buys your milk and they do what ever it is that particular co op does with that mik. Then everyone gets paid and the farmer only gets what's left over. So the performance of the co op has a lot to do with milk price IMO. There is a substantial price gap opening up between co ops that is very hard to ignore.

browned · 21-06-2016 09:19AM

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Just thinking, should there be a thread called "Milk politics" and the "political" end of milk could be discussed there. The discussion here has veered way off actual milk pricing

I agree. The original premise of this thread was looking at ways farmers can improve their own milk price throught action they took in their daily farm practices. By having a second thread that focuses on the performances of the coop once the milk leaves the farm it'd clean up this messy discussion

kowtow · 21-06-2016 09:20AM

whelan2 wrote:

Wonder how the bank man would feel about looking for money to buy them?

You don't tell him.

Just say you need a short term overdraft to get you over a hump.

Farmer Ed · 21-06-2016 09:29AM

browned wrote: »

I agree. The original premise of this thread was looking at ways farmers can improve their own milk price throught action they took in their daily farm practices. By having a second thread that focuses on the performances of the coop once the milk leaves the farm it'd clean up this messy discussion

Yes and we are now reduced to examining the feasibility of milking camels.

whelan2 · 21-06-2016 09:39AM

wats the craic wrote: »

not set for this month yet . our group committe prob negotiating the price over the next few days . are you in any of the fixed schemes

Did Strathroy set their May price?

fepper · 21-06-2016 09:42AM

Have to agree with ed here if the farmers are looking at ways to cut milk production costs on their farms its a win,win situation for the coops on milk price

Farmer Ed · 21-06-2016 09:42AM

If I'm correct the latest defence of the political establishment was sparked by Wheelan taking offence to what I believe she rightly considered at bit of a condescending article on the journal.
I wouldn't exactly describe it as blasphemy to get a bit annoyed at an article like that.

From the very first milk price on this thread co ops were being discussed. You can't just post two milk prices from two different co ops and ignore the glaring disparity.

Sorry if it makes anyone feel uncomfortable.

kowtow · 21-06-2016 10:00AM

RightTurnClyde wrote:

Just thinking, should there be a thread called "Milk politics" and the "political" end of milk could be discussed there. The discussion here has veered way off actual milk pricing

I think there is some sense in that particularly if there is going to be a full time discussion of specific coops.

In general this thread has become an ongoing discussion of milk economics and politics up to and beyond the farm gate, punctuated by prices when they are released, and it works.

The discussion keeps attention on the prices and vice versa - when new prices are released stagnant discussion is restarted usually with a new twist or angle. A pure stream of prices would not keep people's interest - IMO.

Maybe a separate coop politics thread is what is needed, if it is needed?

einn32 · 21-06-2016 10:03AM

Bega cheese down to $5.00kg/ms for 16/17 season. Warranambool cheese and butter dropped to $4.80.

Farmer Ed · 21-06-2016 10:10AM

kowtow wrote: »

I think there is some sense in that particularly if there is going to be a full time discussion of specific coops.

In general this thread has become an ongoing discussion of milk economics and politics up to and beyond the farm gate, punctuated by prices when they are released, and it works.

The discussion keeps attention on the prices and vice versa - when new prices are released stagnant discussion is restarted usually with a new twist or angle. A pure stream of prices would not keep people's interest - IMO.

Maybe a separate coop politics thread is what is needed, if it is needed?

Now the one question we all forgot to ask? Anyone know the May milk price for camel milk? What were the solids like? And is there any research in to the quality of gorse and thistles and any effects on solids?

Water John · 21-06-2016 11:22AM

Those feckers bite. What's it like to get a kick from one?

The only way to support the price to the farmer long term on cows milk is to diversify the products and the processing of same. The very opposite to what has been the official policy.
We turn to making a variety of products for our market. Our market is the EU.
Never overproduce one product. The French showed us by putting surplus milk into storage in a commodity. Thus protecting their speciality products.

Farmer Ed · 21-06-2016 11:30AM

Creed to the rescue he's going on a junket to China in the autumn. Problem solved. I remember having a long discussion with him years ago when I was having difficulty with quotas and he telling me how good they were. Well fair play he doesn't seem to be a man afraid to change his mind.

The good news is one of the UK processors has announced a milk price increase. Fingers crossed.

We shouldn’t look backwards at a quota regime – Minister Creed @agrilandIreland http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/we-shouldnt-look-backwards-at-a-quota-regime-minister-creed/

Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

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