2 year old taken by alligator at Disney Land resort Florida hotel

metaoblivia · 17-06-2016 10:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Alligators are common in Florida and a toddler is prey to them. This isn't a case of a one in 50,000 chance of an accident occurring.

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It's actually less than that: http://mashable.com/2016/06/15/alligator-attacks-florida-orlando-rare/#MjXhUCAWCqqi

Alligator attacks, even non fatal ones, are rare. That's why I don't blame the parents, I think Disney should have had more specific signs, but I ultimately consider this a freak incident.

17-06-2016 10:13PM

metaoblivia wrote: »

It's actually less than that: http://mashable.com/2016/06/15/alligator-attacks-florida-orlando-rare/#MjXhUCAWCqqi

Alligator attacks, even non fatal ones, are rare. That's why I don't blame the parents, I think Disney should have had more specific signs, but I ultimately consider this a freak incident.

Ah yeah, I didn't mean to say that alligator attacks are common; just replying to someone saying if they had a very rare allergy etc. Alligators aren't rare.

17-06-2016 10:13PM

Though I might like my alligator rare, yet to savour that game meat. Haven't seen it for sale yet.

metaoblivia · 17-06-2016 10:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Though I might like my alligator rare, yet to savour that game meat. Haven't seen it for sale yet.

Come to Florida - we have plenty

smash · 17-06-2016 10:21PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Though I might like my alligator rare, yet to savour that game meat. Haven't seen it for sale yet.

There's a butchers in Terenure that sells crocodile and it's delicious.

17-06-2016 10:48PM

smash wrote: »

There's a butchers in Terenure that sells crocodile and it's delicious.

I know. I used to live spitting distance from it. But the rent had me so crippled I couldn't afford crocodile!

Spanish Eyes · 17-06-2016 11:09PM

Would this tragedy put anyone off going to Orlando with the sprogs or what?

17-06-2016 11:18PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would this tragedy put anyone off going to Orlando with the sprogs or what?

Not me anyway. Not that I have any sprogs (yet) or intentions to go to Orlando at present. I would hope it makes visitors worldwide to all other countries worldwide to become more aware of the wildlife in their destination, and make more tours aware to give a little talk about the natural dangers around. My mother is soon to go on a trip to Costa Rica and seems to know nothing about the local wildlife or pests! That wouldn't be me! I went to San Francisco ffs and had read up about what snakes, spiders, water demons and bugs to expect (disappointingly none of note). Although a great white did surface beside our boat while whale watching, unfortunately sank just as quick and I didn't get to see it.

Samaris · 18-06-2016 12:32AM

Florida in general absolutely doesn't appeal to me, so it wouldn't have any affect on whether or not I'd go there, sprogs or no sprogs. I think the only place I really would "hell no" on going to due to wildlife is Australia. And I could probably be eventually convinced that not -everything- in Australia is poisonous.

And then I'd see a picture of a spider tornado and nope right out again.

18-06-2016 01:20AM

Samaris wrote: »

Florida in general absolutely doesn't appeal to me, so it wouldn't have any affect on whether or not I'd go there, sprogs or no sprogs. I think the only place I really would "hell no" on going to due to wildlife is Australia. And I could probably be eventually convinced that not -everything- in Australia is poisonous.

And then I'd see a picture of a spider tornado and nope right out again.

I think Australia and many countries in Africa are on my "lets never go" list. New Zealand though!

I'd like to go to Namibia sometime basically because everything there can kill you. Might as well roll a full dice!

Though Bhutan is my dream place. The only country on earth that emits more oxygen than carbon dioxide. Already chosen for the honeymoon!

Hrududu · 18-06-2016 01:43AM

Tipperary Fairy wrote: »

So what dangers do you think might exist from swimming in a man made lake that would not occur from being in it but not swimming?

Drowning? Wait is this a trick question?

18-06-2016 01:52AM

Hrududu wrote: »

Drowning? Wait is this a trick question?

Common bullfrogs. Water moccasins. Didn't you know that pushing out a sprog (or your partner pushing one out) means you need to get degrees in everything.

When I was 2 years old, and blind as a bat, I wandered off from my mother and brother in Dublin Zoo. I remember walking out of a wendy house in Pet's Corner and not seeing them, so started walking to see where there were. I am blind as a bat and now wouldn't go anywhere without my glasses! I was found inside the flamingo enclosure patting the flamingos. Standing on the edge of the lake handing leaves to the flamingos. This is NOT my mother's fault. I was 2 and I walked away when her back was turned for a second. This could have led to serious tragedy, 2 year old drowns in the lake, or flamingos pecked a child (these days that'd be enough for a lawsuit).

18-06-2016 01:57AM

To add I actually remember my mother bashing stranger danger so hard into me that I refused to go with the zookeeper who came into the flamingo enclosure to retrieve me! I told him no, and I will not go with you! My mother had to be escorted in to get me back! I actually remember all this, in bits. I remember talking with the flamingos! We owned a lot of budgies at home. They were kind to me!

Tipperary Fairy · 18-06-2016 03:51AM

Samaris wrote: »

Florida in general absolutely doesn't appeal to me, so it wouldn't have any affect on whether or not I'd go there, sprogs or no sprogs. I think the only place I really would "hell no" on going to due to wildlife is Australia. And I could probably be eventually convinced that not -everything- in Australia is poisonous.

And then I'd see a picture of a spider tornado and nope right out again.

Australia isn't bad, once you have any sort of brain. Basically just don't go poking at things, adhere to the signs, and if you come across a snake (which is a rare occurance, I haven't seen one yet) stand still. As with any country you visit, you educate yourself as to the potential dangers.

Noo · 18-06-2016 04:12AM

Tipperary Fairy wrote: »

Australia isn't bad, once you have any sort of brain. Basically just don't go poking at things, adhere to the signs, and if you come across a snake (which is a rare occurance, I haven't seen one yet) stand still. As with any country you visit, you educate yourself as to the potential dangers.

Exactly, ive been in australia over 4 years and people wont come to visit me because they are scared of the wildlife. I have seen two snakes in all that time, one was next to an overgrown creek, the other was in the mountains on a bushwalk. Both just basking in the sunshine. Unless you go activitly seeking dangerous widlife, its very unlikely you'll come across any.

CruelCoin · 18-06-2016 08:55AM

HensVassal wrote: »

Fwiw your plug socket example is cretinous. No you don't have to be an engineer to know this but that's because you fcuking know it NOW. You didn't always know it though, did you?

Nonsense.

What if i didn't know it from living under some rock and then visited a friends house and went ahead and did it?
Would said friend be to blame? Of course not, because there is some level of assumption that i'd ****ing know this.

"i came from Nebraska, therefore i'm totally impervious to blame re: aligators" is equally a cretinous argument.

Living under a rock isn't a valid defence.

up for anything · 18-06-2016 09:02AM

A mother who was on the same beach with her son paddling in the same place half a hour before the other boy was taken by the alligator shares her photos and thoughts.

They took five alligators from that stretch of water after the boy was snatched off the beach. For fucks sake, Disney might be forgiven for one errant alligator that they didn't know was in the water but five!

CruelCoin · 18-06-2016 09:04AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Maybe in the case of nuts it being such a common allergy often severe for many people. But what if Im allergic to a very peculiar substance that only 1 in every 50,000 people are allergic to and I eat and die in their restaurant? You hardly expect this to be their fault and not mine.

You wouldn't expect it, yet judges award against restaurants for **** like this.

Which is why we see on every food package on earth "prepared in a factory that contains allergens".

It's a stupid exercise in box-ticking made necessary by the bubblewrap fanclub.

Samaris · 18-06-2016 09:05AM

Snakes I'm grand with, I love snakes. It's the spiders and the scorpions that alarm me!

I would like to see Ayers' Rock and that general area. And tbf, I'd like to see parts of Africa too and you have to shake your boots out and check under the toilet lid for 'orrible creatures there too. I'm not really maligning your home country there

But Australia does seem to have an unreasonable amount of very large spiders.

Going back to the argument over "No Swimming", I've thought about it over the last few days and come to the conclusion that "No Swimming" to me suggests there is something dangerous about the water, but most likely to do with currents, cleanliness or no lifeguard. No, it wouldn't particularly occur to me if there was no other indication that the danger is alligators in Disney World. Therefore, I'd probably allow supervised paddling, same as those other parents did. One can indeed argue "Florida = alligators!" and you're right, but in a man-made lagoon in Disney World, I can entirely see why people wouldn't immediately reckon it was alligator-infested. Hindsight is 20:20, and now I'd be far more cautious. It's just an awful accident that the levels of caution now being displayed and reccommended as obvious are a good deal to do with what happened to poor Lane.

CruelCoin · 18-06-2016 09:11AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Though I might like my alligator rare, yet to savour that game meat. Haven't seen it for sale yet.

Had crocodile in Kenya a few times (no idea if the taste is comparable to aligator).

Was 8 or so and got lost making my way to the toilet at the restaurant. Went around the corner to see a local worker hacking a crocodile to bits with a machete. That's an image that's stuck with me.

Dark red meat. I didn't actually think it too different to beef in flavour. So long ago now. Could be wrong in my recolection.

18-06-2016 10:18AM

There are "no swimming" signs in glendalough, yet every summer people and their children paddle in the shallow water as it is safe to do so. Swimming is different as it gets very deep very quickly and there can be strong currents. But supervised paddling is safe. Just like paddling on a beach is safe

There are "no swimming" signs up because it is dangerous to swim. They don't have any alligator warning signs in glendalough, as there are no alligators in the lake. If there were alligator signs up, you can be sure that people would not let their children paddle in it

This child and his father were not swimming. They were paddling at the edge of a man made lagoon in Disney land, supposedly a safe haven built for children and their families to be safe. They were not off the beaten track, they were in the resort.

Any blaming of the parents is ridiculous. The only thing they did wrong was to buy into the Disney bull**** of smoke and mirrors, and were led to believe that they were in a safe place

All the many families playing on that beach had no idea what was under the water.

People who bring their kids on the holiday of a lifetime don't knowingly let their kids play in alligator infested water, and Disney failed to warn them of the actual danger

Oafley Jones · 18-06-2016 07:45PM

Interesting development today. Apparently Hotel Management had been ignoring warnings from staff that Guests had been feeding Alligators from their balconies of the water bungalows. These are a new construction at the adjacent Polynesian Hotel. Wildlife experts also warned that their construction would drive alligators towards the beach. There was speculation after the attack that the alligator could have lost its natural fear of human owing to being fed.

metaoblivia · 18-06-2016 08:28PM

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Interesting development today. Apparently Hotel Management had been ignoring warnings from staff that Guests had been feeding Alligators from their balconies of the water bungalows. These are a new construction at the adjacent Polynesian Hotel. Wildlife experts also warned that their construction would drive alligators towards the beach. There was speculation after the attack that the alligator could have lost its natural fear of human owing to being fed.

Just saw that this morning. What makes it even more outrageous is that it is illegal to feed alligators in Florida, no exceptions. So Disney didn't put up any signs to inform their guests of either the presence or the illegality of feeding gators.

What boggles my mind is that, having had a few days to think about this, if Disney had accepted that gators would be threat and taken proper precautions, they could have found a way to make it interesting and even exciting/fun for some guests. Tourists love spotting alligators in the wild from a safe distance.

jmayo · 21-06-2016 05:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That example was to show that if you grow up around certain risks, you're conscious of them. And if you grow up without that risk, you're blissfully unaware.

So if you went to Queensland or Northern Territory you wouldn't be more than a little aware of crocs ?
Would you be aware of wild bears if visiting Canadian parks ?

smash wrote: »

A mother reported an alligator near shore looking at her children last year in Disney. A few hours later a trapper arrived and a 7ft alligator was removed from the lake. People were told that if they took photo or video they'd be removed from the resort.

If that is true then Disney deserve to get their asses handed to them.
7 footers aint little young uns and if they knew that such large animals may be in the lagoon then they were very remiss and negligent in not having warning signs.
I thought they were supposed to have nets in place and take out much smaller gators ?

Samaris wrote: »

Florida in general absolutely doesn't appeal to me, so it wouldn't have any affect on whether or not I'd go there, sprogs or no sprogs. I think the only place I really would "hell no" on going to due to wildlife is Australia. And I could probably be eventually convinced that not -everything- in Australia is poisonous.

Australia is fine.
Just watch where you trod when out in the push and watch where you swim or paddle.
Also be careful driving at dusk or at night.

Samaris wrote: »

Snakes I'm grand with, I love snakes. It's the spiders and the scorpions that alarm me!

I would like to see Ayers' Rock and that general area. And tbf, I'd like to see parts of Africa too and you have to shake your boots out and check under the toilet lid for 'orrible creatures there too. I'm not really maligning your home country there But Australia does seem to have an unreasonable amount of very large spiders.

Walking around Uluru I was tempted to take shortcut off path and through scrub.
The fear of troding on snake did indeed cause me to stick to path.

It has got huge amount of venomous creatures; snakes, jellyfish, spiders, octopuses and big things like crocs, sharks, camels, red kangaroos that can also kill you, but the creature that kills most people are humans.

Seeing the way some drive I can see why.

ceadaoin. · 21-06-2016 06:26PM

jmayo wrote: »

So if you went to Queensland or Northern Territory you wouldn't be more than a little aware of crocs ?
Would you be aware of wild bears if visiting Canadian parks ?

I think there is a difference between being a visitor to a place and being accustomed to looking out for these things if you live there. A visitor might be aware of the risks but it's hard to quickly get into the habit of actually keeping your eyes open for them or know what to look for. That's why signs are there to warn people, or at least they should be.

I have scorpions in my house occasionally and I'm always scanning the floors and walls, I make sure I keep the bedsheets tucked in off the floor, I shake out my shoes before putting them on etc. When people come to visit they don't do these things even though they know there could be scorpions, because they just aren't used to it.

smash · 21-06-2016 07:01PM

jmayo wrote: »

If that is true then Disney deserve to get their asses handed to them.
7 footers aint little young uns and if they knew that such large animals may be in the lagoon then they were very remiss and negligent in not having warning signs.
I thought they were supposed to have nets in place and take out much smaller gators ?

It's true. There has always been alligators there. http://ktla.com/2016/06/20/video-shows-disney-worker-fighting-off-gator-at-splash-mountain/

metaoblivia · 21-07-2016 07:08AM

The parents have announced that they will not sue Disney World.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/parents-boy-killed-gator-disney-resort-pain-worse/story?id=40730785

I wonder what Disney gave them in exchange for that. Obviously the foundation they've set up in their son's name will be well funded.

2 year old taken by alligator at Disney Land resort Florida hotel

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