Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

Subcomandante Marcos · 16-06-2016 04:20PM

Lukker- wrote: »

You've much more punching power with a wrapped hand. Gunni doesn't wrap because it's better for grappling. Most BJJ guys use loose wraps.

You don't get more power, the wraps just help keep your wrist straight so the smaller bones of your hand are less likely to break from bending backwards and the padding on the knuckles protects them a little.

They wrap the wrist tight and then leave the fingers free with minimal padding on the knuckles, there's a shot of Ryan Hall telling the wrap guy on TUF how to do it properly on TUF 22, the episode where he heel hooked that wrestler guy in the first round.

Lukker- · 16-06-2016 04:31PM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

You don't get more power, the wraps just help keep your wrist straight so the smaller bones of your hand are less likely to break from bending backwards and the padding on the knuckles protects them a little.

They wrap the wrist tight and then leave the fingers free with minimal padding on the knuckles, there's a shot of Ryan Hall telling the wrap guy on TUF how to do it properly on TUF 22, the episode where he heel hooked that wrestler guy in the first round.

Appears your right, was something we were always told in boxing when i was younger!

When the cutman is wrapping their hands in the UFC, you often hear them ask do they want knockout wraps or tapout wraps

Subcomandante Marcos · 16-06-2016 04:39PM

Lukker- wrote: »

Appears your right, was something we were always told in boxing when i was younger!

When the cutman is wrapping their hands in the UFC, you often hear them ask do they want knockout wraps or tapout wraps

well it lets you punch harder with less risk of breaking your hand, so maybe on a psychological level it's kinda true.

Even with the wraps very few mma fighters are going full power when they're throwing combos because the risk of catching an elbow or a forehead and breaking your hand is massive with the little 6oz gloves.

Boxers have far more freedom to go mental and unload bombs because their hands are so protected.

Mellor · 17-06-2016 02:37AM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

You don't get more power, the wraps just help keep your wrist straight so the smaller bones of your hand are less likely to break from bending backwards and the padding on the knuckles protects them a little.

They wrap the wrist tight and then leave the fingers free with minimal padding on the knuckles, there's a shot of Ryan Hall telling the wrap guy on TUF how to do it properly on TUF 22, the episode where he heel hooked that wrestler guy in the first round.

Yeah the wrap protects the hand and wrist, not the knuckles as most people assume.
There’s very strict rules on here the padding can go and where tape can go, and how much of each.

Lukker- wrote: »

Appears your right, was something we were always told in boxing when i was younger!

When the cutman is wrapping their hands in the UFC, you often hear them ask do they want knockout wraps or tapout wraps

I think it’s a case that the protection from wraps and allows you punch harder and continue punching that hard rather than giving you more power.
You could physically punch just as hard bareknuckle if you wanted, but could be just the one punch.

The knockout wraps or tapout wraps means to fully wrapped hands verses minimal wrapping. The rules state the max wrap you can use, but not that you have to use that amount, or any at all (Gunni)

micks · 18-06-2016 12:33AM

Saipanne wrote: »

I'm liking the preparation. Feels more focused.

Feels like diaz got into his head and is still there

Asking who do you train with repeatedly

now we get a snap on social media every day of all the people he's bringing in to help

Gamebred · 18-06-2016 12:39AM

I dont think so,the people hes training with arent on the level Nate is working with and Conor would know that,Dillon Danis doesnt compare to Kron Gracie and the Irish Boxing team dont compare to Andre Ward, I could be wrong but I'd imagine he's not trying to say ''look who im training with'',

Defintely still occupying his head to some extent no doubt about that.

Subcomandante Marcos · 18-06-2016 12:46AM

Gamebred wrote: »

I dont think so,the people hes training with arent on the level Nate is working with and Conor would know that,Dillon Danis doesnt compare to Kron Gracie and the Irish Boxing team dont compare to Andre Ward, I could be wrong but I'd imagine he's not trying to say ''look who im training with'',

Defintely still occupying his head to some extent no doubt about that.

Very valid point, Nate really is training with world class guys in every aspect.

Kron, Ward and Schilling are worlds away from pretty much anyone Conor can bring in.

That said, Conor sparring with rangy boxers and bigger bjj players with heavy top game isn't a coincidence.

Lukker- · 18-06-2016 12:58AM

I think the Ward thing gets overstated, he brings in Nate when he's preparing for rangey southpaws. Ward isn't going out of his way to help Nate prepare for fights, it's the other way around. His coach brings him in when he wants someone fresh and he probably won't spar with him again until Ward is fighting another rangey southpaw.

Gamebred · 18-06-2016 01:02AM

Lukker- wrote: »

I think the Ward thing gets overstated, he brings in Nate when he's preparing for rangey southpaws. Ward isn't going out of his way to help Nate prepare for fights, it's the other way around. His coach brings him in when he wants someone fresh and he probably won't spar with him again until Ward is fighting another rangey southpaw.

Ward schools him no doubt too but its fair game for Nate to name drop him infairness If Conor was friends with a world champion boxer and sparring him frequently we'd hear it too,Nate best sparring partner is his brother who he has round 24/7 to work on stuff and hes southpaw too like Conor,and an elite grappler but again training with people only does so much for ya come fight night its a different ball game.

darced · 18-06-2016 02:04PM

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raze_them_all_ · 18-06-2016 02:07PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Ward schools him no doubt too but its fair game for Nate to name drop him infairness If Conor was friends with a world champion boxer and sparring him frequently we'd hear it too,Nate best sparring partner is his brother who he has round 24/7 to work on stuff and hes southpaw too like Conor,and an elite grappler but again training with people only does so much for ya come fight night its a different ball game.

I don't think anyone would choose conors training partners over nates though to be fair. Training with elite guys will put you in a better position as we saw last time

weldoninhio · 21-06-2016 09:29AM

"Many fans bizarrely pointed the finger at Ido Portal for this loss, just as some had credited him for the win against José Aldo. The reality is that Ido was not responsible for either result" - extract from Kavanaghs book.

Big chunk of it on the42.ie this morning.

Saipanne · 21-06-2016 09:31AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

"Many fans bizarrely pointed the finger at Ido Portal for this loss, just as some had credited him for the win against José Aldo. The reality is that Ido was not responsible for either result" - extract from Kavanaghs book.

Big chunk of it on the42.ie this morning.

Excellent. Poor WarZ.

Devastator · 21-06-2016 09:46AM

oh ffs can we please not start that argument again? Why not post the whole 42.ie article instead you've selected 1 single sentence from the article(or the book)....for what? to get a reaction?

weldoninhio · 21-06-2016 09:49AM

Devastator wrote: »

oh ffs can we please not start that argument again? Why not post the whole 42.ie article instead you've selected 1 single sentence from the article(or the book)....for what? to get a reaction?

1) I'll post what I want once it's within the rules. If you have a problem, report it. Back seat modding is not allowed.

2) I'm on my phone so couldn't post the entire article and wasn't sure about how much you can post without a link. I also transcribed it by hand as I was reading it on my work computer.

3) I thought it was topical as I had read various different arguments as to how much input Ido had.

Devastator · 21-06-2016 10:32AM

:rolleyes: Theres plenty of points to discuss from the article. The book sounds like it will be an interesting read.

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http://www.the42.ie/john-kavanagh-win-or-learn-extract-2834977-Jun2016/?utm_source=twitter_self

I thought the weight cutting paragraph was quite interesting but also a worry going into the next fight, surely the same mindset problems will arise? If he found it difficult to get into fight mode leading into 196 because he was not cutting any weight during fight week how will they make changes this time? Having more nutritional food doesn't sound to me like it would make any difference.

Mod Note: No need to post the bible..an excerpt and a link to the article is more than enough. Also leave the modding to the mods thanks.

darced · 21-06-2016 11:18AM

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Mellor · 21-06-2016 12:09PM

darced wrote: »

Some amount of excuses in that, interesting he doesn't mention any actual would be my training deficits that needed addressing for his cardio. The blame is diet, psychological and Conors failure to follow directions in the second round.

Two weeks out is a long time to stop sparring, not surprised his fighters have cardio issues.

If they are stopping hard sparring early to avoid injury it could easily be replaced by something with a similar cardio load.
I'm sure some Olympic middle distance coach have figured out the perfect taper for competition, that's where I'd look if cardio needed work.

raze_them_all_ · 21-06-2016 01:04PM

Mellor wrote: »

If they are stopping hard sparring early to avoid injury it could easily be replaced by something with a similar cardio load.
I'm sure some Olympic middle distance coach have figured out the perfect taper for competition, that's where I'd look if cardio needed work.

Not often you get kneed in the gut in middle distance running

Mellor · 21-06-2016 01:28PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Not often you get kneed in the gut in middle distance running

Depends on who you are running from, and whether they catch you.

Assume you are just making a joke.
But in case you think I was suggesting running to replace sparring. Darced was talking specifically about a cardio deficit.

Muahahaha · 21-06-2016 09:35PM

Not having to cut weight for the fight against Diaz was supposedly helpful, but in hindsight it was undoubtedly a hindrance. Cutting weight may not be much fun, but it does serve as a reminder that you’re preparing for a fight. It focuses the mind and has been an enormous part of what we’ve been doing. Without that ritual, things were just weird. It left us all in an unusual state of mind. The routine we had established was suddenly absent. The need to cut weight gets the fighter in the zone and lets them know that a fight is on the horizon. If a person is starving, they’re in survival mode. It focuses the mind and taps into the reptilian part of the brain. When Conor is cutting weight, he views his opponent as an obstacle in the way of his next meal. It’s a primal thing. On the other hand, when you’ve eaten a good dinner, all you want to do is relax in front of the TV. The fire in your belly is replaced by food. Being stuffed isn’t conducive to maintaining a competitive mindset.
Even for his next welterweight fight, Conor’s diet will be strict. We’ve accepted now that it’s an important element of his preparation, so you can expect him to come in on weigh‐in day at around 165lb. No cheesecakes this time! It will be nutrition geared specifically towards performance.

http://www.the42.ie/john-kavanagh-win-or-learn-extract-2834977-Jun2016/

So JK says McG will be going into the Diaz fight at 165 but also that not having a weight cut in the first Diaz fight meant McG lost focus. I wonder what the solution is to that this time out? Have him train at 175 in order to get a cardio intensive pre-fight cut in?

Gamebred · 21-06-2016 10:01PM

The Idea of him fighting at 165 is just stupid I've no clue what Nate will fight at but im sure he will have at least a 10lb advantage which highlights the stupidity of the 170 agreed weight

Too Tough To Die · 21-06-2016 10:09PM

Kavanagh might have to rethink that book title.

Lukker- · 21-06-2016 10:22PM

Gamebred wrote: »

The Idea of him fighting at 165 is just stupid I've no clue what Nate will fight at but im sure he will have at least a 10lb advantage which highlights the stupidity of the 170 agreed weight

The size of Nate lately, I reckon 180+

John_D80 · 21-06-2016 11:08PM

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Kavanagh might have to rethink that book title.

Sorry but this probably went way over my head!! Why?

Easy Rod · 22-06-2016 12:37AM

John_D80 wrote: »

Sorry but this probably went way over my head!! Why?

I think he's implying that he's actually learned nothing from the loss, or more so, the stuff he thinks he's learned is actually inconsequential and won't change future results. I disagree.

Mellor · 22-06-2016 12:52AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

http://www.the42.ie/john-kavanagh-win-or-learn-extract-2834977-Jun2016/

So JK says McG will be going into the Diaz fight at 165 but also that not having a weight cut in the first Diaz fight meant McG lost focus. I wonder what the solution is to that this time out? Have him train at 175 in order to get a cardio intensive pre-fight cut in?

The solution is keep your diet and prep as regimented as if you were cutting down 20lbs. But not to actually manipulate sodium and water levels during fight week.

newbbieb · 22-06-2016 12:49PM

Gamebred wrote: »

The Idea of him fighting at 165 is just stupid I've no clue what Nate will fight at but im sure he will have at least a 10lb advantage which highlights the stupidity of the 170 agreed weight

Totally agree i think he can definitely take Nate at 55 but the difference between that and a 170 fight is absolutely massive when you are fighting someone as big as Nate.

You have to look at or blame some of his coaching set up for allowing or at least endorsing this fight at 170,amateurish stuff when you hear this weighing in 165.I really hope he can beat him but i think so many people are just underestimating how actually difficult it is to overcome a weight disparity against a legit well rounded fighter.

In saying that its probably his best chance to be a bit lighter because he can't actually bulk up to match Nates size so better to at least be fast and good cardio.Think they have been rewatching the Josh Thompson fight and think Conor can put on a similiar performance,but that was at 55 where Nate makes a big cut to get down.Josh Thompson is a bit bigger than Conor also is a lot faster than Conor and Nate just Couldnt catch him,over 5 rounds he is guaranteed to at some point land.

zpehtsfd · 22-06-2016 02:41PM

Did The UFC Just Sell Itself?

http://www.benzinga.com/news/16/06/8138984/did-the-ufc-just-sell-itself

raze_them_all_ · 22-06-2016 03:05PM

newbbieb wrote: »

Totally agree i think he can definitely take Nate at 55 but the difference between that and a 170 fight is absolutely massive when you are fighting someone as big as Nate.

You have to look at or blame some of his coaching set up for allowing or at least endorsing this fight at 170,amateurish stuff when you hear this weighing in 165.I really hope he can beat him but i think so many people are just underestimating how actually difficult it is to overcome a weight disparity against a legit well rounded fighter.

In saying that its probably his best chance to be a bit lighter because he can't actually bulk up to match Nates size so better to at least be fast and good cardio.Think they have been rewatching the Josh Thompson fight and think Conor can put on a similiar performance,but that was at 55 where Nate makes a big cut to get down.Josh Thompson is a bit bigger than Conor also is a lot faster than Conor and Nate just Couldnt catch him,over 5 rounds he is guaranteed to at some point land.

Nate and conor would both weigh the same for a 155lb fight that they did at 170. They had a 155lb fight without cutting weight, why do people still consider their last fight a 170.

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