2 year old taken by alligator at Disney Land resort Florida hotel

HensVassal · 16-06-2016 06:46PM

smash wrote: »

No, the level of intelligence only comes to light when you show your awareness of how to interpret the words. You should be smart enough to realise that it should not be interpreted that way. As most people are. If you are not smart enough to realise that you should not interpret it like that, then you're an idiot.

Take your assumptions and your "to the intelligent observer" bullshít elsewhere please because I couldn't be arsed with your passive aggressive tone and superiority complex.

It was your mistake to stick your oar in with a low rent snipe about being thick as a plank. I gave and example to another poster and the point was lost on you.

smash · 16-06-2016 06:59PM

HensVassal wrote: »

It was your mistake to stick your oar in with a low rent snipe about being thick as a plank. I gave and example to another poster and the point was lost on you.

Sure it was...

scream · 16-06-2016 07:06PM

HensVassal wrote: »

You have the audacity to call my posts nonsensical?

You never do anythiing stupid or negligent, or so you imply. I can guarantee that every minute of every day you do something perfectly normal but in a hypothetical parallel universe you've been killed or injured or something bad has happened.

A person like you would then say that you were being negligent in the scenario where something bad happened but wouldn't have a thing to say about the perfectly normal scenario where nothing bad happened.

People like you would sicken the pigs because you have a bullshit excuse for everything.

Do you have kids? I very much doubt it because if you had you wouldn't be banging on about negligence and bad parenting over something as innocuous as a 2 year old paddling in a couple of inches of water.

You should seek help for that temper of yours, you seem like a very angry person. Do you get outraged on behalf of random strangers on a regular basis or have I touched a nerve? It must be exhausting be exhausting.

HensVassal · 16-06-2016 07:22PM

scream wrote: »

You should seek help for that temper of yours, you seem like a very angry person. Do you get outraged on behalf of random strangers on a regular basis or have I touched a nerve? It must be exhausting be exhausting.

I get angered at people who blame victims.
It's one thing when a guy picks a fight with a cage fighter and gets his ass handed to him to say "he got what he asked for". It's quite something else when a family loses a child to an alligator attack and to say "it's all their fault".

scream · 16-06-2016 07:29PM

HensVassal wrote: »

I get angered at people who blame victims.
It's one thing when a guy picks a fight with a cage fighter and gets his ass handed to him to say "he got what he asked for". It's quite something else when a family loses a child to an alligator attack and to say "it's all their fault".

If the parents had been sitting outside a bar and the child ran out in front of a car and been killed people would blame the parents. They let a 2 year old go into the water in the dark, alone. That's bad parenting and they're going to have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

Pkiernan · 16-06-2016 07:34PM

The alligators in the state need to be hunted down to about 5% of their current population. This instills an instinctive fear of humans in the species. Like our ancestors did to Irish wolves.

Australia did this until hunting was banned. Lo and behold the crocodile population soared as did attacks on humans.
But of course you get left wing liberal douchebags who would prefer to see dead babies instead of dead reptiles.

Flippyfloppy · 16-06-2016 07:38PM

scream wrote: »

They let a 2 year old go into the water in the dark, alone.

As far as I know the father was with him?

John_Rambo · 16-06-2016 07:38PM

scream wrote: »

If the parents had been sitting outside a bar and the child ran out in front of a car and been killed people would blame the parents. They let a 2 year old go into the water in the dark, alone. That's bad parenting and they're going to have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

Come on scream. That's a ridiculous comparison, you're post has everything to do with false concern, indignant righteousness, thank whoring and nothing to do with feelings for the child or his family.

Get off the soap box and stop turning a tragic child death in to a finger pointing game for your own gratification.

scream · 16-06-2016 07:49PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Come on scream. That's a ridiculous comparison, you're post has everything to do with false concern, indignant righteousness, thank whoring and nothing to do with feelings for the child or his family.

Get off the soap box and stop turning a tragic child death in to a finger pointing game for your own gratification.

Wrong on every point you've tried to make there. I never claimed to have any feelings for the child. I expressed my opinion on the events that led to the childs death.

scream · 16-06-2016 07:50PM

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

As far as I know the father was with him?

No he wasn't, he was on the shore and ran to the child when the incident occurred, which was confirmed by the Lifeguard who was on duty at the time.

metaoblivia · 16-06-2016 07:52PM

Pkiernan wrote: »

The alligators in the state need to be hunted down to about 5% of their current population. This instills an instinctive fear of humans in the species. Like our ancestors did to Irish wolves.

Australia did this until hunting was banned. Lo and behold the crocodile population soared as did attacks on humans.
But of course you get left wing liberal douchebags who would prefer to see dead babies instead of dead reptiles.

No. Alligators are an important part of the Florida ecosystem. There's a hunting season for them which keeps their numbers in check. The simple fact is, Florida's ecosystem was built to have a lot of alligators. There are over a million in the state. Despite this, fatal attacks are rare. There have been 23 since 1973.

Officials put the odds of someone being seriously injured by an unprovoked alligator in Florida at roughly one in 2.4 million.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/things-alligators-florida-39874746

Samaris · 16-06-2016 07:53PM

Pkiernan wrote: »

The alligators in the state need to be hunted down to about 5% of their current population. This instills an instinctive fear of humans in the species. Like our ancestors did to Irish wolves.

Australia did this until hunting was banned. Lo and behold the crocodile population soared as did attacks on humans.
But of course you get left wing liberal douchebags who would prefer to see dead babies instead of dead reptiles.

Well, we hunted the wolves to extinction, actually.

And...how do you get from no-one talking about hunting alligators to 5% (or any other arbitrary number) to "prefer to see dead babies"? I mean, it's a bit of a jump. The subject hadn't even come up until now, had it?

mdwexford · 16-06-2016 07:54PM

scream wrote: »

If the parents had been sitting outside a bar and the child ran out in front of a car and been killed people would blame the parents. They let a 2 year old go into the water in the dark, alone. That's bad parenting and they're going to have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

That is a stupid analogy.

How was kid alone when the father was a few steps away.

How close should they be at all times?

Shut up with your nonsense rubbish.

HensVassal · 16-06-2016 07:54PM

scream wrote: »

If the parents had been sitting outside a bar and the child ran out in front of a car and been killed people would blame the parents. They let a 2 year old go into the water in the dark, alone. That's bad parenting and they're going to have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

So now you're trying to maintain that it was "dark" are you? Are you trying to blag everyone that it was pitch dark and that they couldn't see the boy and there was nobody else around? Is that the crap you're trying to spin a sell? Disney have state of the art fairground attractions but somehow outdoor illumination is something that has passed them by? Don't make me laugh.

John_Rambo · 16-06-2016 07:55PM

scream wrote: »

Wrong on every point you've tried to make there. I never claimed to have any feelings for the child. I expressed my opinion on the events that led to the childs death.

Just stop, you don't give a sheet about the kid, the family, what happened or the tragedy. You're just soapboxing.

xzanti · 16-06-2016 07:55PM

I can't even imagine what the family are going through. As little a consolation as it is, at least they got him back and can say goodbye to him properly and hold him one last time. It's just beyond sad.

I don't blame the family, the resort is designed for leisure and comfort and that's what the family expected.

Did I read that they found and killed 5 alligators in that lake? There were at least 5 of them living in that lake and Disney, not only have beach and sun loungers, but a kids slide right beside the water? I don't understand it.

As tourists from Ireland, when I was there last year, we were warned on the bus from the airport that alligators do roam freely and that we should avoid areas of long grass and waterways. I'm guessing this family maybe weren't part of a package tour and didn't have a welcome meeting or whatever you'd call it.

Maybe it was assumed that they knew of the danger because they were Americans themselves. I don't know. But I'd imagine, if they had any idea of what was in the water, they'd have run a mile.

scream · 16-06-2016 07:56PM

HensVassal wrote: »

So now you're trying to maintain that it was "dark" are you? Are you trying to blag everyone that it was pitch dark and that they couldn't see the boy and there was nobody else around? Is that the crap you're trying to spin a sell? Disney have state of the art fairground attractions but somehow outdoor illumination is something that has passed them by? Don't make me laugh.

Get the facts, then get a life.

scream · 16-06-2016 07:57PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Just stop, you don't give a sheet about the kid, the family, what happened or the tragedy. You're just soapboxing.

So expressing an opinion is soapboxing? OOOOKKK......

John_Rambo · 16-06-2016 08:02PM

scream wrote: »

So expressing an opinion is soapboxing? OOOOKKK......

Using a families tragedy, a loss of a childs (one of which you don't really care about) life to vent, finger point and blame is soapboxing. You're showing no sympathy and lots belligerence along with no knowledge of the facts.

Millions of children die of neglect, war, racism etc.. every week and I don't see your hand wringing or "opinions" here on boards.ie about them.

Get off the soapbox, get your facts straight and stop spoofing.

HensVassal · 16-06-2016 08:02PM

Pkiernan wrote: »

The alligators in the state need to be hunted down to about 5% of their current population. This instills an instinctive fear of humans in the species. Like our ancestors did to Irish wolves.

Australia did this until hunting was banned. Lo and behold the crocodile population soared as did attacks on humans.
But of course you get left wing liberal douchebags who would prefer to see dead babies instead of dead reptiles.

Thanks for that pearl of genius. Let's wipe out all the bees and wasps. When we all die of starvation because no fruit gets pollinated at least the liberal douche age will die alongside people of your wisdom.

scream · 16-06-2016 08:03PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Using a families tragedy, a loss of a childs (one of which you don't really care about) life to vent, finger point and blame is soapboxing. You're showing no sympathy and lots belligerence along with no knowledge of the facts.

Millions of children die of neglect, war, racism etc.. every week and I don't see your hand wringing or "opinions" here on boards.ie about them.

Get off the soapbox, get your facts straight and stop spoofing.

I'm just going to ignore your posts now because you're just looking for a reaction from me and thanks whoring from others. I don't feed trolls.

sonofenoch · 16-06-2016 08:04PM

Mr.S wrote: »

I'm sure this was asked in the 18 pages of posts but...

This is man made lake, right? Why on earth are alligators there

It's linked by canal ways....plus can Aligators travel, anywhere .....

as an aside ...
https://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/s065687993.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=300&strip=al

Does that look like a safe place for a 2 yr old to be standing after dark with no adult holding his hand

John_Rambo · 16-06-2016 08:06PM

Mr.S wrote: »

I'm sure this was asked in the 18 pages of posts but...

This is man made lake, right? Why on earth are alligators there

Natural migration I'd imagine. Shocking stuff, very very rare attack to happen. One wonders was the alligator infirm, injured or old. I'd say if the little boy was older and emitting a more energetic pattern through the water he'd have scared any predators away. Maybe a small, tubby two year old in the water triggered off senses that were equal to the reptile of injured prey in the shallows. They're fairly primitive reptiles, eat, sleep and mate.

My thoughts are with the family.

John_Rambo · 16-06-2016 08:07PM

scream wrote: »

I'm just going to ignore your posts now because you're just looking for a reaction from me and thanks whoring from others. I don't feed trolls.

But you don't care about the family, you're just spouting for attention. You're being insensitive and although you think you're "thinking outside the box" you're simply, fashionably victim blaming.

HensVassal · 16-06-2016 08:15PM

scream wrote: »

Get the facts, then get a life.

Oh I have a life alright. As for the facts that you are so interested in....you say it was "dark", well just because the sun had gone down are you try to fcuking bullsh1t people that it was as dark as a cave? Is that what you're trying to say?

metaoblivia · 16-06-2016 08:21PM

Mr.S wrote: »

I'm sure this was asked in the 18 pages of posts but...

This is man made lake, right? Why on earth are alligators there

Because it's a lake in Florida.
I don't mean this in a mean way, but because of this incident, I've truly come to realize how little people outside of Florida understand about alligators.

The pool in my family home in Orlando is man made and full of chlorine. Our back yard is completely fenced in. Our pool has had an alligator in it (and several snakes). A neighbor's pool is not only in a fenced in back yard, but the pool itself is enclosed. A gator chewed through the enclosure and got into the pool.

So why wouldn't a man made lake, connected to a natural lake via a canal and in close proximity of other natural lakes, have alligators in it? Alligators can swim, walk, run, climb and chew their way through things. They assume any body of water is meant for them. Frankly, there are puddles I wouldn't step in for fear of alligators.

John_Rambo · 16-06-2016 08:23PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Oh I have a life alright. As for the facts that you are so interested in....you say it was "dark", well just because the sun had gone down are you try to fcuking bullsh1t people that it was as dark as a cave? Is that what you're trying to say?

Look, he/she's almost trolling, but not enough to attract mods attention. Sometimes tragedies attract indignant sorts that will try and blame the wounded or devastated parties involved. It's annoying, it's insensitive, rude and thrashy. But, it's the internet. People like scream love the internet for this sort of thing.

If scream met the family, was on holiday there at the same time, saw the reaction, pain and suffering he/she might get a feeling of what happened, how people are suffering... he/she might even be a bit sensitive to people here that have lost loved ones.

But. Scream doesn't care.

Flippyfloppy · 16-06-2016 08:23PM

scream wrote: »

No he wasn't, he was on the shore and ran to the child when the incident occurred, which was confirmed by the Lifeguard who was on duty at the time.

So the lifeguard observed the 2 year old boy alone in the water?

metaoblivia · 16-06-2016 08:58PM

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

So the lifeguard observed the 2 year old boy alone in the water?

The lifeguard was guarding the pool, not the beach. He may have heard the commotion and turned to see the man running into the water.

makingmecrazy · 16-06-2016 11:47PM

Mr.S wrote: »

Well that makes sense! I thought this was a man made lake inside the permitter of the theme park and not connected to anything else.

Pretty much every body of water in Florida(whether it be a Disney lake or whatever)will have canals(of one description or another, big/small etc) running of it. To allow for extra water from rainfall and so on.

2 year old taken by alligator at Disney Land resort Florida hotel

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