Hi vis discussion thread (read post #1)

Carawaystick · 06-04-2016 1:39pm

Westmeath CoCo recommending people using an off road greenway should use high visibility clothing...
http://media.wix.com/ugd/1cba1b_bf3b136a9c4e48cfa141e6a526858387.pdf

:rolleyes:

galwaycyclist · 06-04-2016 3:29pm

Carawaystick wrote: »

Westmeath CoCo recommending people using an off road greenway should use high visibility clothing...
http://media.wix.com/ugd/1cba1b_bf3b136a9c4e48cfa141e6a526858387.pdf

:rolleyes:

Since its the Royal Canal Greenway should cyclists not also be wearing buoyancy aids or life jackets?

-- I presume these would need to be under the hi-viz?

CramCycle · 06-04-2016 3:35pm

galwaycyclist wrote: »

Since its the Royal Canal Greenway should cyclists not also be wearing buoyancy aids or life jackets?

-- I presume these would need to be under the hi-viz?

Experience of many RSA Hi Vis wearers in Dublin is that it is obviously most appropriate to wear them under your backpack. I presume they would work the same for buoyancy aides.

ThisRegard · 07-04-2016 9:33am

Has there ever been any research on the negative effects of wearing high-vis? Driving down a narrow enough road this morning, no footpads etc but with hedging and trees on each side, and with the sun behind me making everything bright and shiny, your typical Irish country road. I spotted movement which initially just looked like the trees and bushes blowing in the wind but as I got closer I realise it was a guy wearing high vis running towards me.

I've no doubt had he not been wearing any over his dark clothing I would have spotted him a lot earlier, and his safety clothing in fact made things more dangerous for him.

tomasrojo · 07-04-2016 9:46am

The railroad workers wear orange for this reason (better contrast against a background of vegetation), I think. And the drivers are never colour-blind (strict hiring policy), so any downsides to orange don't apply.

Some hi-viz clothing combines orange, green and reflective stripes. In an act of gross negligence and recklessness, they omit a phosphorescent component.

Carawaystick · 07-04-2016 10:17am

tomasrojo wrote: »

Some hi-viz clothing combines orange, green and reflective stripes.

Tell me some other company makes this but in a camouflage pattern....

galwaycyclist · 07-04-2016 10:20am

ThisRegard wrote: »

Has there ever been any research on the negative effects of wearing high-vis? Driving down a narrow enough road this morning, no footpads etc but with hedging and trees on each side, and with the sun behind me making everything bright and shiny, your typical Irish country road. I spotted movement which initially just looked like the trees and bushes blowing in the wind but as I got closer I realise it was a guy wearing high vis running towards me.

I've no doubt had he not been wearing any over his dark clothing I would have spotted him a lot earlier, and his safety clothing in fact made things more dangerous for him.

The Americans did an experiment during the war with antisubmarine aircraft.

Instead of camouflage paint they covered the aircraft in spotlights. The theory being that from a distance if the background light levels in the sky were right then the plane would blend in.

I seem to recall it could be pretty effective if they came at the target from the right direction.

Edit google is my friend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights

tomasrojo · 08-04-2016 12:00am

In honour of National Walking Day in the States:

Happy #NationalWalkingDay! Be sure to dress appropriately if you go outdoors today.

https://twitter.com/philabikes/status/717803859037577216

HT @cosaingalway on Twitter

buffalo · 08-04-2016 8:25am

tomasrojo wrote: »

In honour of National Walking Day in the States:

I can't tell what's reality and what's satire anymore...

Pinch Flat · 08-04-2016 9:04am

I coach our local GAA team at under-10. Apparently, when we meet for games, having an official club top on is not enough to identify me from the opposing teams manager (who is also in their own club top), so we've all been requested to identify ourselves in more prominent colours - you've guessed it, a hi-vis vest with our club name on the front and back. So far, I'm refusing as it's ridiculous......The madness goes on.......

dub_skav · 08-04-2016 9:41am

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I coach our local GAA team at under-10. Apparently, when we meet for games, having an official club top on is not enough to identify me from the opposing teams manager (who is also in their own club top), so we've all been requested to identify ourselves in more prominent colours - you've guessed it, a hi-vis vest with our club name on the front and back. So far, I'm refusing as it's ridiculous......The madness goes on.......

So after a hundred years of clubs using colours that ensure they are distinguishable from the opposition (at least in most cases), the plan is to now differentiate by using a vest in a colour extremely likely to clash if the other teams adopt the same approach.

Genius

tomasrojo · 08-04-2016 10:05am

Garment manufacturers should be forbidden to make clothing that is not fluorescent. Over a time frame of a decade or so, the wearing of non-fluorescent clothing should be made illegal.

Since we're ineluctably moving towards wearing hi-viz all the time, might as well get on with it.

tigerboon · 08-04-2016 12:36pm

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I coach our local GAA team at under-10. Apparently, when we meet for games, having an official club top on is not enough to identify me from the opposing teams manager (who is also in their own club top), so we've all been requested to identify ourselves in more prominent colours - you've guessed it, a hi-vis vest with our club name on the front and back. So far, I'm refusing as it's ridiculous......The madness goes on.......

Well, if you get mowed down by a 9 year old, you'll only have yourself to blame. Don't come back here crying about it

RobertFoster · 12-04-2016 4:15pm

I saw a guy litter picking today. Hi-vis on top, urban camo on the bottom. I think he noticed my look of confusion.

ED E · 12-04-2016 4:18pm

RobertFoster wrote: »

I saw a guy litter picking today. Hi-vis on top, urban camo on the bottom. I think he noticed my look of confusion.

If they're real winter DPMs then there's actually a reason behind such a getup, they're really really warm and comfy especially for somebody with an on the street job.

buffalo · 16-04-2016 7:37am

buffalo · 15-06-2016 12:37pm

Was down at the annual bike week Dublin lunchtime cycle...

On the plus side, it was definitely the best-organised in years - Garda on a moto and another on a bike, a lead car, marshals at all junctions and even route signs.

However, they moved the start location (which was confusing and should've been highlighted more), turn-out was pretty low, and the emphasis on hi-viz and safety was disappointing and frankly depressing. You didn't have to wear it, but there were only a few of us not shiny and orange for the spin.

(bonus marks for Sky team helmet with a chicken outfit!)

tomasrojo · 15-06-2016 12:53pm

Yes, that looks really awful. That is not going to persuade anyone to give cycling a try. Might as well make them wear Neapolitan clown wigs and tutus.

CramCycle · 15-06-2016 2:50pm

I remember being there for the first one, with no hi vis given out, a bigger crowd, less marshaling but somehow, no fatalities.

Tenzor07 · 15-06-2016 2:55pm

Looks like a group of construction workers on a tea break! :rolleyes:

Tenzor07 · 15-06-2016 2:56pm

A new road safety report will recommend it be made compulsory for cyclists to wear helmets and high visibility jackets at all times, and that pedestrians wear the jackets after dark.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/safety-report-recommends-compulsory-hi-vis-jackets-404933.html

buffalo · 15-06-2016 3:03pm

CramCycle wrote: »

I remember being there for the first one, with no hi vis given out, a bigger crowd, less marshaling but somehow, no fatalities.

I forgot to mention, the first thing we encountered as we set off was a shiny metal pole with blue bike sign. Right in the middle of the roadway, half the height of a bike so pretty obscured in the middle of a bunch of cyclists.
https://goo.gl/maps/hvZo54ALBxQ2

Of all the things they could've put hi-viz on, they didn't think that it needed one...

Rogue-Trooper · 15-06-2016 3:04pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/safety-report-recommends-compulsory-hi-vis-jackets-404933.html

They could always just make it compulsory for motorists to drive with due care and attention................:rolleyes:

magicbastarder · 15-06-2016 3:18pm

Cllr Declan Hurley (Ind) agreed with him, and also asked for the document to include that it be compulsory for all pedestrians to wear the jackets at night.

so if i decide to wander out of mulligan's and over to bowe's, i'll need to be carrying a hi-vis jacket to make the trip?

com1 · 15-06-2016 3:31pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

so if i decide to wander out of mulligan's and over to bowe's, i'll need to be carrying a hi-vis jacket to make the trip?

Naw, drive. You'll be grand!

tomasrojo · 15-06-2016 5:29pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/safety-report-recommends-compulsory-hi-vis-jackets-404933.html

I seem to remember these things are put forward at county level now and then. They're usually shot down long before they reach the Minister for Transport. Best not to be complacent though.

Usual statistical nonsense of grouping cyclists and pedestrians as well. Given that cyclist deaths in the whole country rarely exceed ten per year, I really doubt cyclists made up that many fatalities in Cork.

tomasrojo · 15-06-2016 6:25pm

https://twitter.com/BikeweekCycle/status/743142272921964544

EDIT: Caption competition?

galwaycyclist · 15-06-2016 6:26pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

I seem to remember these things are put forward at county level now and then. They're usually shot down long before they reach the Minister for Transport. Best not to be complacent though.

Usual statistical nonsense of grouping cyclists and pedestrians as well. Given that cyclist deaths in the whole country rarely exceed ten per year, I really doubt cyclists made up that many fatalities in Cork.

Yep but it would appear that the RSA are stirring the pot at county level.

traprunner · 15-06-2016 7:17pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BikeweekCycle/status/743142272921964544

EDIT: Caption competition?

Wow. That just pressed all the right buttons for me. I'm wound up now!

buffalo · 15-06-2016 7:18pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

EDIT: Caption competition?

Myself and doozerie were admiring the not-quite-arm-warmers and not-quite-knee-warmers on them at the cycle. Are they safety apparel?

MediaMan · 15-06-2016 9:30pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

Might as well make them wear Neapolitan clown wigs and tutus.

Could be onto something there. Maybe a study that compares the safety benefits of different cycling attire, including hi viz, wigs & tutus, and regular clothes. Oh, and maybe the safety benefits of both road planners and motorists giving cyclists a bit of space on the road.

tomasrojo · 15-06-2016 10:15pm

An article which claimed that the draft Cork Road Safety Plan recommends compulsory hi-vis jackets and helmets is incorrect, according to information seen by IrishCycle.com.

http://irishcycle.com/2016/06/15/compulsory-helmets-and-hi-vis-not-included-in-draft-cork-safety-plan/

Pinch Flat · 15-06-2016 10:17pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BikeweekCycle/status/743142272921964544

EDIT: Caption competition?

So you buy some hi-vis clothing with the 10% off voucher, then go back again and again and again. The last bit you buy is free.

noby · 15-06-2016 10:31pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BikeweekCycle/status/743142272921964544

EDIT: Caption competition?

Jaysus, even their hi-viz are wearing hi-viz.

rollingscone · 15-06-2016 10:34pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

Yes, that looks really awful. That is not going to persuade anyone to give cycling a try. Might as well make them wear Neapolitan clown wigs and tutus.

https://twitter.com/Flaminghobo1/status/724684646286524417?s=09

CatFromHue · 16-06-2016 1:08am

buffalo wrote: »

what the hell is that guy in the chicken suit thinking, he'll never be seen without a hi viz jacket on a clear sunny day :eek:

tomasrojo · 16-06-2016 9:47am

Two chicken suits, I think. I can't be sure, because like most people, my retina doesn't respond to light that isn't orange or lime-green.

Pinch Flat · 16-06-2016 9:51am

CatFromHue wrote: »

what the hell is that guy in the chicken suit thinking, he'll never be seen without a hi viz jacket on a clear sunny day :eek:

Slightly off topic, but I was doing the w200 over the weekend and had a thought going up slieve maan that doing this in a chicken suit would enhance what is already a significant physical challenge. So I can understand where chicken man is coming from.

Macy0161 · 16-06-2016 11:40am

Well done on the orange hi-viz there bike week people - perfect for making them not stand out in rural areas to those of us that are colour blind!

tomasrojo · 27-06-2016 10:51am

I feel like the prolific and world-renowned swearer who when moving house placed all his possessions in a horse-drawn cart, only to see them tumble out on a hilly ascent due to an insecurely fastened tailboard and smash on the road, whereupon he turned to the expectant onlookers and said:

"I can't do justice to this."

ThisRegard · 27-06-2016 10:53am

Might be a good opportunity to show that wearing high vis does not prevent you being mown down.

NiallBoo · 27-06-2016 10:54am

^^there's just something about prescription sunglasses that completes the look.

buffalo · 27-06-2016 11:10am

tomasrojo wrote: »

I feel like the prolific and world-renowned swearer who when moving house placed all his possessions in a horse-drawn cart, only to see them tumble out on a hilly ascent due to an insecurely fastened tailboard and smash on the road, whereupon he turned to the expectant onlookers and said:

"I can't do justice to this."

Was it only me who tried to work out what "LREXIT" was?

ThisRegard · 27-06-2016 11:17am

buffalo wrote: »

Was it only me who tried to work out what "LREXIT" was?

French for running out of somewhere, l'rexit?

Doctor Bob · 28-06-2016 12:24pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

I feel like the prolific and world-renowned swearer who when moving house placed all his possessions in a horse-drawn cart, only to see them tumble out on a hilly ascent due to an insecurely fastened tailboard and smash on the road, whereupon he turned to the expectant onlookers and said:

"I can't do justice to this."

The one that left me even more bemused than usual recently was an article in the Irish Times on speed camera vans.

The inside of the high visibility Ford Transit van is like an old-fashioned photographer’s dark room – the walls and ceiling are covered in jet black cloth and black curtains block out the windows. But there is a desk where Eric sits, facing backwards, and controls the equipment.

The print version of the article had a photo (second pic in the link below) showing Eric inside his blacked-out van, apparently working alone, resplendent in his hi-viz. Go - as the man said - figure.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/keeping-a-lookout-with-a-speed-camera-operator-1.2663418

magicbastarder · 28-06-2016 12:41pm

Ms Woods was also criticised for not having a high visibility jacket and while she did not have any, her clothing at the time was bright, the judge said.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teacher-injured-when-wing-mirror-struck-her-while-out-jogging-awarded-134000-34830700.html

ThisRegard · 28-06-2016 12:54pm

It doesn't say what time of day it was, was it dark or bright, sunny or dull? I guess daylight, and if the sun was low, wearing this magic high visibility jacket could have made her less visible. Who criticised her for not wearing it?

But I imagine it was just an excuse to try to blame her in any way possible.

HivemindXX · 28-06-2016 7:17pm

Since the article mentions that the van had driven on to the grass verge and did not pull back on to the road before hitting her it seems bizarre to try and blame her for running two abreast with no high-viz on.

What's the reasoning here? How are drivers supposed to know not to drive on the verge or up on the footpath if the pedestrians aren't wearing high-viz? What next? Ok, so I was speeding and texting and on the wrong side of the road going through a red light but the victim person who collided with my car wasn't wearing any high-viz AT ALL! That's like a 50 50 your honour.

At least the judge seems to have ignored this nonsense.

tomasrojo · 29-06-2016 12:29am

ThisRegard wrote: »

Who criticised her for not wearing it?

Mr Tyrell Jnr or his lawyer, I expect, judging from the way they've phrased it.

CramCycle · 29-06-2016 6:53am

tomasrojo wrote: »

Mr Tyrell Jnr or his lawyer, I expect, judging from the way they've phrased it.

I imagine it's his lawyer looking for every possible excuse when none are available.

Sadly if he didn't say it, he probably would be accused of not defending his client properly.

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