2 year old taken by alligator at Disney Land resort Florida hotel

Oafley Jones · 15-06-2016 10:36AM

ibarelycare wrote: »

I read somewhere that, for safety, Disneyworld traps the alligators when they grow over two feet, and relocates them. Obviously this one slipped through the net (literally).

They do, but Disney World's property is over 60 square kilometres. That's a lot of real estate to patrol.

sullivlo · 15-06-2016 11:21AM

Tipperary Fairy wrote: »

Yes but you can just ignore it.

I'm surprised people in Florida don't just assume you can't go in the water. Going to Cairns myself soon and I'll sure as hell be staying away, and making myself aware of other potential dangers.

Well that's great for you that you're being so aware of your surroundings and not putting yourself in danger :rolleyes:

Not everybody knows about the alligators in Florida. Yes, it's a swamp and all that jazz, but it's not the first thing that you think of. I'm guessing that if there were no big signs saying "Warning, Alligators in the lake", people will just assume that the no swim sign is for some other reason. I often walk through parks in Dublin that have signs up that say "Please don't walk on the grass", and low and behold there are people sitting having their lunch.

Also, it's a two year old child. They're not going to know the difference between a safe area to swim and an alligator infested lake.

It's hard to ignore the posts. They're mostly thanks-whoring. They're not even funny.

I'm not a parent. I'm also not easily offended and I have a dark enough sense of humour. But even I can see that there is a line crossed in some of the posts on here.

osarusan · 15-06-2016 11:25AM

Jesus Christ that's gruesome, and a moment the parents will relive every day for the rest of their lives.

topper75 · 15-06-2016 11:30AM

callaway92 wrote: »

What fúcking drugs are you on at all?

Defending the right to make a joke means I'm high? OK then.

The poster you jumped on for joking was actually poking fun at the poor writing in the article.

But you saw someone who wasn't immediately all empathetic and got on the high horse over them.

That in itself is another joke.

*double checks forum title to be sure I'm not the one on the drugs*

Wanderer78 · 15-06-2016 11:31AM

Dreadful story

TerrorFirmer · 15-06-2016 11:38AM

topper75 wrote: »

Defending the right to make a joke means I'm high? OK then.

The poster you jumped on for joking was actually poking fun at the poor writing in the article.

But you saw someone who wasn't immediately all empathetic and got on the high horse over them.

That in itself is another joke.

*double checks forum title to be sure I'm not the one on the drugs*

I actually agree with this completely. It's an internet forum. It's par for the course, and for the last some several odd thousand years it's a common enough mechanism to deal with tragic news. I'm sick of people taking it upon themselves to be offended for humanity at something they read on a largely anonymous internet forum. Yes, it's a horrific and tragic story. But grow the hell up and worry about your own life and not what some random stranger posts on an internet board.

Esel wrote:

I hope you regret posting that.

Yes, I can see it now, on his or her deathbed in the year 2089, tortured with guilt and afraid to face the reckoning that is due for that one post on boards.ie in 2016 making a jest at an article written about a tragic death in the US.

gramar · 15-06-2016 11:57AM

Esel wrote: »

I hope you regret posting that.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Yes, I can see it now, on his or her deathbed in the year 2089, tortured with guilt and afraid to face the reckoning that is due for that one post on boards.ie in 2016 making a jest at an article written about a tragic death in the US.

The word that came to mind when I read that post was 'bizarre'.

As for 2089 TF...unlikely..I'll have been burnt at the stake before then if an alliga....aaaaaanyway.......

seamus · 15-06-2016 12:16PM

Apparently there were "no swimming" signs around the lagoon. Thing is that it's man-made, so you can see how easy it would be to assume that there's not going to be anything dangerous in it, and especially not when your child is paddling in shallow water.

The family were from Nebraska, which doesn't have alligators, whereas I'm sure people from southern states would have known to be on the lookout in any body of water.

Horrific for the family, can't even imagine what they're going through. I guess they're hoping they can recover a body, some closure that their baby didn't suffer.
Probably the hardest thing in the world to lose a child, but there seems to be something particularly chilling about something so primal happening to a person, as opposed to a car crash or something.

RobertKK · 15-06-2016 12:21PM

Orlando is really having a most awful week, tragedy after tragedy.
Singer Christina Grimmie murdered while doing a meet and greet with fans outside the concert venue she had performed in.
The attack and massacre at the Pulse nightclub.
Now an alligator attack and death of a two year old child in Orlando.

So much tragedy and sadness. So many families grieving for what was a needless loss of life, I don't know what precautions the family should or could have done in regards to the alligator attack.
I presume the attack might have been something like the crocodile attacks on the Wildebeest who are innocently beside the river and next thing a huge crocodile strikes and tries to take the wildebeest under water to drown.
Isn't it likely the alligator did something similar then ate the most unfortunate child. It is just horrific which is a theme for all those high profile deaths in Orlando in the past week, simply horrific.

Oafley Jones · 15-06-2016 01:01PM

seamus wrote: »

Apparently there were "no swimming" signs around the lagoon. Thing is that it's man-made, so you can see how easy it would be to assume that there's not going to be anything dangerous in it, and especially not when your child is paddling in shallow water.

It was used was swimming and water sports for years, even with the dangers of gators etc. The no swimming signs only appeared after a number of incidents relating to the water quality. It's a vast and murky bit of water that doesn't exactly give a welcoming impression.

smash · 15-06-2016 01:39PM

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Attacks are rare, however I remember from my time there warnings stating that you can assume there are alligators in every body of water. I know you wouldn't think it at a Disney resort though. Poor family and poor little angel.

I can't remember if it was Disney or Universal but when I was there, there was an alligator in one of the ponds and sign up saying "Don't feed the gators". There was a small fence on the shore line, but it wasn't in any way safe!

Cienciano · 15-06-2016 01:39PM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

It's nothing to do with thinking "correct thoughts", you don't have to know the family to find nothing funny about the horrific death of a two year old.

Lots of comedians joke about far worst things. Humour is completely subjective.

ScumLord · 15-06-2016 01:51PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I know there are lots of alligators in Florida but attacks like this seem rare enough. Poor boy

Aligators probably wouldn't go near any adult human or group people. But a child is going to be fair game as far as any predator is concerned. A toddler of any species is going to be like a shining beacon to a predator because they know they're easy pickings. Once we leave the safety of our towns and cities children have to be watched, literally anything could have a go at them, from predators to sea gulls.

sullivlo wrote: »

Well that's great for you that you're being so aware of your surroundings and not putting yourself in danger :rolleyes:

Well, they should be. Ignorance of their immediate environment isn't an excuse. I realise we all get comfortable and forget the natural world is happening all around us, and it's worse in big urban areas, but we are still animals living in an environment at the end of a day. All our technology and culture doesn't change the fact that a lot of other living creatures look at us and see food. I would have thought living around these animals would have bred some respect rather than apathy.

valoren · 15-06-2016 02:02PM

Making quips and attempting lame jokes just after a two year old is killed?

The sociopath thread is thataway >>>>>>>>>

HensVassal · 15-06-2016 02:22PM

valoren wrote: »

Making quips and attempting lame jokes just after a two year old is killed?

The sociopath thread is thataway >>>>>>>>>

Says the guy who made a joke about 9/11 where 3000+ were killed.

topper75 · 15-06-2016 02:22PM

valoren wrote: »

Making quips and attempting lame jokes just after a two year old is killed?

The sociopath thread is thataway >>>>>>>>>

Home > Topics > Social & Fun > After Hours

Yup I'm in the right place. I think maybe you were looking for the book of condolences?

valoren · 15-06-2016 02:29PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Says the guy who made a joke about 9/11 where 3000+ were killed.

Too soon?

A ****ty pun about a dog's honour parade? 9/11 a ruff time for us all?

Yeah, having a proper go at those who were killed I was there.

ScumLord · 15-06-2016 02:31PM

valoren wrote: »

Too soon?

No, the families and US government released a statement 4 years ago saying it was now ok to make jokes about the people that died 9/11.

topper75 · 15-06-2016 02:36PM

Nobody laughed at the death of a child anyway. Which makes the high horse thing even more misplaced and amusing.

The low standard of the article was picked up on - typical internet 'journalism'. A hack article on a bizarre event. That was the butt of the joke. The event was also tragic but being sombre on an internet forum thousands of miles away does absolutely nothing to reverse that. So I don't really know what those posters are calling for.

It's one thing not to like or not to identify with something somebody else writes on an internet forum.

It's quite another thing to demand that everyone feels a certain correct way about an incident as you perceive it. That is just thought police nonsense. It doesn't belong anywhere on the internet, least of all on After Hours which has years of tradition of a wry, tongue-in-cheek look at the world that refuses to leave the path of any sacred cow.

Long may that continue.

valoren · 15-06-2016 03:00PM

topper75 wrote: »

Nobody laughed at the death of a child anyway. Which makes the high horse thing even more misplaced and amusing.

The low standard of the article was picked up on - typical internet 'journalism'. A hack article on a bizarre event. That was the butt of the joke. The event was also tragic but being sombre on an internet forum thousands of miles away does absolutely nothing to reverse that. So I don't really know what those posters are calling for.

It's one thing not to like or not to identify with something somebody else writes on an internet forum.

It's quite another thing to demand that everyone feels a certain correct way about an incident as you perceive it. That is just thought police nonsense. It doesn't belong anywhere on the internet, least of all on After Hours which has years of tradition of a wry, tongue-in-cheek look at the world that refuses to leave the path of any sacred cow.

Long may that continue.

Tact.

Yes, nobody laughed at the child's death.
A story about a child's presumable death will be emotive.
It's the cancer of AH. Everyone's a comedian. Get a quip in asap. Bask in the Thanks received.
Getting uppity about being called out for bad taste is not being on some high horse.

davycc · 15-06-2016 03:01PM

biko wrote: »

If only they would have had guns..

the parents could have shot the gator in the head when it got too close for comfort

if it was my family id rather be armed in this poor fathers situation
(not an 'assault' rifle, a basic revolver would do in a suitable caliber)

plenty of families on camping trips in the US risk attack by bears, wolves, coyotes, cougars, mountain lions,massive angry wild boars, alligators and snakes too depending on the area and its considered suicidal in some wild places if your not armed going on a wild camp or hike..

back on topic i feel so sorry for this family, such a tragedy

and pray the parks and wildlife expert track down there poor little sons remains asap

ceadaoin. · 15-06-2016 03:13PM

davycc wrote: »

the parents could have shot the gator in the head when it got too close for comfort

if it was my family id rather be armed in this poor fathers situation
(not an 'assault' rifle, a basic revolver would do in a suitable caliber)

plenty of families on camping trips in the US risk attack by bears, wolves, coyotes, cougars, mountain lions,massive angry wild boars, alligators and snakes too depending on the area and its considered suicidal in some wild places if your not armed going on a wild camp or hike..

back on topic i feel so sorry for this family, such a tragedy and pray the parks and wildlife expert track down there poor little sons remains asap

They weren't camping or hiking in a wild place though, they were at a hotel in Disney World. they obviously felt it should/would be safe.

Tipperary Fairy · 15-06-2016 03:30PM

sullivlo wrote: »

Well that's great for you that you're being so aware of your surroundings and not putting yourself in danger :rolleyes:

Not everybody knows about the alligators in Florida. Yes, it's a swamp and all that jazz, but it's not the first thing that you think of. I'm guessing that if there were no big signs saying "Warning, Alligators in the lake", people will just assume that the no swim sign is for some other reason. I often walk through parks in Dublin that have signs up that say "Please don't walk on the grass", and low and behold there are people sitting having their lunch.

Also, it's a two year old child. They're not going to know the difference between a safe area to swim and an alligator infested lake.

It's hard to ignore the posts. They're mostly thanks-whoring. They're not even funny.

I'm not a parent. I'm also not easily offended and I have a dark enough sense of humour. But even I can see that there is a line crossed in some of the posts on here.

Yeah I was obviously not saying that the child should have known better. I don't believe it's an excuse though (referring to adults) to not be aware of the dangers of your environment. I can't really take you seriously when you're trying to compare walking through grass in Dublin to getting into potentially alligator infested water in a place where they're known to be. There is nothing in the grass in Ireland that's possibly going to eat you alive after all.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 15-06-2016 03:34PM

Really tragic story.

And some very crass posts on here. Making ill judged remarks on a public forum about a horrific accident involving a toddler, or defending those remarks, is pretty despicable.

eviltwin · 15-06-2016 03:35PM

Tipperary Fairy wrote: »

Yeah I was obviously not saying that the child should have known better. I don't believe it's an excuse though (referring to adults) to not be aware of the dangers of your environment. I can't really take you seriously when you're trying to compare walking through grass in Dublin to getting into potentially alligator infested water in a place where they're known to be. There is nothing in the grass in Ireland that's possibly going to eat you alive after all.

They have lost their child in a horrific way that will probably haunt them for the rest of their lives. They don't need people wagging fingers at them.

Tipperary Fairy · 15-06-2016 03:38PM

eviltwin wrote: »

They have lost their child in a horrific way that will probably haunt them for the rest of their lives. They don't need people wagging fingers at them.

Do you really think they're reading this thread?

(though again I have to point out that I wasn't referring specifically to the parents in any post, if anybody actually cares)

eviltwin · 15-06-2016 03:39PM

Tipperary Fairy wrote: »

Do you really think they're reading this thread?

(though again I have to point out that I wasn't referring specifically to the parents in any post, if anybody actually cares)

No I don't but no doubt there are other equally as insensitive people they can hear saying the same thing.

HensVassal · 15-06-2016 03:44PM

valoren wrote: »

Too soon?

A ****ty pun about a dog's honour parade? 9/11 a ruff time for us all?

Yeah, having a proper go at those who were killed I was there.

And the other guy made a joke about the the poor editing in the news article about the kid, not the kid himself.

You chose to make a big deal about it.

Tipperary Fairy · 15-06-2016 03:46PM

eviltwin wrote: »

No I don't but no doubt there are other equally as insensitive people they can hear saying the same thing.

I don't see the point of your post so, other than trying to in a roundabout way to say you think i'm being insensitive.

I'm sure the couple have bigger things on their minds than what some people they don't know might be saying. Really there's no need to be offended on someone else's behalf.

PopePalpatine · 15-06-2016 03:47PM

callaway92 wrote: »

What fúcking drugs are you on at all?

Pure edge-drenaline, I'd assume.

2 year old taken by alligator at Disney Land resort Florida hotel

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