Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

rjpf1980 · 15-06-2016 09:09AM

kupus wrote: »

owen jones.. this is a homophobic terrorist attack...

no you fukking idiot.

It's a terrorist attack on people.

That's it. Just people.

When the UVF went to Catholic bars and opened fire they didn't do it to shoot random innocent people. They did it because the pub customers were likely to be Catholics and as they saw it all Catholics were IRA supporters. If not their deaths would serve to embarrass the IRA who could not protect the Catholic community.

When two Palestinians shot up a Tel Aviv restaurant last week killing four Jewish Israelis they were not seeking to kill random people. Palestinian extremists want to destroy Israel and kill and expel all Jewish Israelis which means all Jews are targets and not just IDF troops or Israeli police etc.

The perpetrator of the Orlando attack was an Islamic radical. Islamic radicals hate not only gays but all Muslims and non Muslims who do not share their ultra Orthodox Islamic views. Mateen was apparently a closet homosexual but his hatred and violence was made infinitely worse by his Islamic faith. To negate his homosexuality and affirm his Islamic faith he became a terrorist and very specifically targeted homosexuals.

This was primarily an Islamic extremist homophobic terrorist attack.

rjpf1980 · 15-06-2016 09:26AM

Hillary is calling for an assault weapon ban.

Well unfortunately the AR-15 is not an assault weapon.

It is a semi-automatic rifle meaning it fires one shot per squeeze of the trigger. The 5.56 mm or .223 is not a high powered round.

Take a semi automatic hunting rifle which fire far bigger and powerful rounds and replace the walnut furniture of the gun with black plastic stock and fore grip and you will have a sexed up "assault" rifle even though it is still the same weapon.

One of the most common weapons in the US is the Ruger 10/22 which fires .22lr. An Islamic terrorist could easily use this weapon to perpetrator an Orlando style massacre. This weapon typically the type of gun kid's learn to shoot with before shooting bigger powerful hunting rifles when they get older. The Ruger is used to shoot birds and vermin but can easily kill and main large numbers of people especially when using 30 round magazines.

Remove the wood furniture of a Ruger and replace with the plastic stock, pistol style grip and foregrip and other attachments include sights and so on and suddenly you have an "assault" rifle.

Of course the overwhelming majority of gun deaths are perpetrated with .38 calibre or 9mm handguns. Not "assault rifles."

Little CuChulainn · 15-06-2016 09:50AM

Christy42 wrote: »

Any evidence?

Balance of probability suggests he went after LGBT people specifically. He was supposedly infuriated by two men kissing. He seems to have no links to any terrorist organisations or their politics (claiming allegiance to more than one competing faction). He also passed by plenty of good targets to get to pulse.

Unless there has been new revelations I missed, the balance of probability suggest he was himself a homosexual, or at least bisexual, and regularly went to the club. The balance of probability suggests that he chose that particular target over others he checked out because it would cause the most damage. The balance of probability suggest this was an attack on specific group who happened to be homosexuals more so than a homophobic attack.

I don't get this massive push to declare this a homophobic attack. People talk about politicians and the likes of the NRA using these situations for political capital but it seems to me the same thing is being done by LGB advocacy and rights groups. The push to paint all homosexuals of victims of this one attack is, in my opinion, going to seriously backfire if more evidence arises that this man was simply a homosexual with a personal axe to grind against a particular club and some of its patrons

WoolyJumper · 15-06-2016 10:06AM

kupus wrote: »

owen jones.. this is a homophobic terrorist attack...

no you fukking idiot.

It's a terrorist attack on people.

That's it. Just people.

Biggest mass shooting in US history specifically targeted the LGBT community. Biggest attack on the gay community since the holocaust and these two idiots wanted to down play the homophobic element. Wouldn't let the guy call it what it was. Too right he was pissed. It was happening all over the media, not just on sky news. Even RTE made no mention of LGBT or even it being a gay club that it was targeted.

Owen wasn't denying this was a terrorist attack, he wasn't denying this wasn't a sad day for all of humanity but this was first and foremost an attack on the gay community, an already vulnerable and frequently attacked group in all societies. It absolutely should have been recognised as such.

Snake Plisken · 15-06-2016 10:07AM

Ian O'Doherty summed up the situation well in yesterday's indo (apologies if this has already been posted)
https://twitter.com/ian_odoherty/status/742852400235618304

WoolyJumper · 15-06-2016 10:09AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Unless there has been new revelations I missed, the balance of probability suggest he was himself a homosexual, or at least bisexual, and regularly went to the club. The balance of probability suggests that he chose that particular target over others he checked out because it would cause the most damage. The balance of probability suggest this was an attack on specific group who happened to be homosexuals more so than a homophobic attack.

I don't get this massive push to declare this a homophobic attack. People talk about politicians and the likes of the NRA using these situations for political capital but it seems to me the same thing is being done by LGB advocacy and rights groups. The push to paint all homosexuals of victims of this one attack is, in my opinion, going to seriously backfire if more evidence arises that this man was simply a homosexual with a personal axe to grind against a particular club and some of its patrons

Just because he himself may have been gay doesn't mean it wasn't a homophobic attack. But on the off chance the had a personal axe to grind, i'm sure the LGBT community can be forgiven for thinking it was a homophobic attack, given the circumstances.

Christy42 · 15-06-2016 10:10AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Unless there has been new revelations I missed, the balance of probability suggest he was himself a homosexual, or at least bisexual, and regularly went to the club. The balance of probability suggests that he chose that particular target over others he checked out because it would cause the most damage. The balance of probability suggest this was an attack on specific group who happened to be homosexuals more so than a homophobic attack.

I don't get this massive push to declare this a homophobic attack. People talk about politicians and the likes of the NRA using these situations for political capital but it seems to me the same thing is being done by LGB advocacy and rights groups. The push to paint all homosexuals of victims of this one attack is, in my opinion, going to seriously backfire if more evidence arises that this man was simply a homosexual with a personal axe to grind against a particular club and some of its patrons

Why would him being homosexual or bisexual preclude from committing homophobic acts? See ridiculous numbers of people who have spouted anti LGBT rhetoric being LGBT themselves.

Note that your last scenario also implies it wasn't a terrorist attack. Will it backfire on the likes of Trump as well if that ends up being the case?

stoplooklisten · 15-06-2016 10:12AM

WoolyJumper wrote: »

Biggest mass shooting in US history specifically targeted the LGBT community. Biggest attack on the gay community since the holocaust and these two idiots wanted to down play the homophobic element. Wouldn't let the guy call it what it was. Too right he was pissed. It was happening all over the media, not just on sky news. Even RTE made no mention of LGBT or even it being a gay club that it was targeted.

Owen wasn't denying this was a terrorist attack, he wasn't denying this wasn't a sad day for all of humanity but this was first and foremost an attack on the gay community, an already vulnerable and frequently attacked group in all societies. It absolutely should have been recognised as such.

Why did he let black people go, saying "they'd suffered enough"?Where they not homosexual enough for him?

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WoolyJumper · 15-06-2016 10:21AM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

Why did he let black people go, saying "they'd suffered enough"?Where they not homosexual enough for him?

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Perhaps they weren't. Who knows. He still targeted a gay club. He's father said he was previously angered by two men kissing. That is what we knew at the time Owen Jones walked off the set.

stoplooklisten · 15-06-2016 10:27AM

WoolyJumper wrote: »

Perhaps they weren't. Who knows. He still targeted a gay club. He's father said he was previously angered by two men kissing. That is what we knew at the time Owen Jones walked off the set.

Will he be on today to claim the shooter as one of "his community"? or comment on homophobia within "his community"? He refused to appear on the next show aswell until the co-presenter was changed.

Lollipops23 · 15-06-2016 10:41AM

Owen Jones, while perfectly entitled be upset about the attack on the LGBTQ community, behaved like a brat. He shouted down the other presenters- who did in fact acknowledge that it was first and foremost a homphobic attack. They were trying (hamfistedly- it is Sky News) to say that it was a further attack by IS on the freedoms of the West. If he'd shut the hell up for a minute he'd have heard that.

He actually said "You're not gay, you won't understand". I'm not gay, but that doesn't mean my opinion or feelings are void.

When did supporting gays rights and simply treating LGBTQ people with the same basic human decency as straight people stop being enough? Did I lose my voice just because I'm straight?

WoolyJumper · 15-06-2016 10:45AM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

Will he be on today to claim the shooter as one of "his community"? or comment on homophobia within "his community"? He refused to appear on the next show aswell until the co-presenter was changed.

Good for him, the co presenter was rude. I doubt he will be on the show today to claim the shooter as a member of the gay community when we still haven't confirmed whether he was actually gay or bi sexual. While gay people can be homophobic (most of us probably are at some stage or another) one thing is for sure it is not caused by "our community" If it makes you feel better I can dig out plenty of articles by LGBT people talking about internalised homophobia among gay people. It's not something we don't acknowledge and have been trying to fight against.

All this is besides the point. Again this was the biggest attack on gay people in the west since the holocaust. And the largest mass shooting was specifically targeted at the LGBT community. It wasn't random. At the time media completely underplayed this fact. At the time these two idiots got in a huff when Owen called it a homophobic attack. Even if it turns out this guys motivation wasn't homophobic and thats a big IF...then it doesn't change the fact it was an attack on the gay community. Yet you still have idiots getting offended when people an attack on the gay community.

Gatling · 15-06-2016 10:47AM

Have any one else notice trump barely mentioned the victims the mostly gay Latinos (from the victims named ) after this attack .

jmayo · 15-06-2016 10:53AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

It is legal in Ireland to own and use an AR15. I know a few people with them. You need a restricted licence for them but they are not banned here.

Yes you do need a restricted license or at least you did.
Not sure what happened with recent legislation on firearms ?

And even then AFAIK you can only use a 10 round magazine and not a 25 or 30 round magazine as available in the US.
Someone can correct me on this as it may be down to rimfire versus centrefire ?

Also don't believe you can get the 5.56 x 45 NATO military rounds here, only the .223 Remington.

BattleCorp wrote: »

None of those people here with AR15's or similar rifles are going around shooting up schools or nightclubs. Nobody has been killed with a licenced AR15 here in Ireland - ever. Nobody has ever been killed while target shooting at a range here in Ireland either.

A huge amount of target shooters in the club I'm a member of here in Ireland use semi-automatic rifles and we have absolutely no history of people going mad with their target shooting guns.

I wouldn't reckon a lot of the semi autos are not knock off variants of military grade assault rifles as in the AR15s.
I would say a lot are .22 Remingtons, Rugers, Anschutz with 10 shot magazines.

The other thing is all the people with legally held guns in Ireland have had near colonoscopies at this stage in order to get their licenses.

You can't just wander in off the street and walk out with a gun.

stefanovich · 15-06-2016 10:58AM

WoolyJumper wrote:

Owen wasn't denying this was a terrorist attack, he wasn't denying this wasn't a sad day for all of humanity but this was first and foremost an attack on the gay community, an already vulnerable and frequently attacked group in all societies. It absolutely should have been recognised as such.

No. He wanted to deny it had anything to do with Islam and deflect deflect deflect.

12Phase · 15-06-2016 11:01AM

There are lots of possibilities. He still may have been there because he was scouting for targets to attack and very little else.

There's so far nothing about him actually hooking up with other guys, or at least nobody has come forward to say that has happened. From news reports, he seemed to be lurking around gay dating apps and other chatrooms.

He may have been a violent psychopath who also happened to be a conflicted gay or bi guy and was lashing out at his own sexual attractions but, I think at this stage I'm not prepared to really psychoanalyse him as there's insufficient publicly available evidence.

I know having lived in France there were a series of utterly horrific murders in Bordeaux that were targeted at gay men. That never really got fully resolved and has resulted in a growing LGBT vote for Le Pen, which is more than a bit ironic given the French far right's historically homophobic stances.

I don't think that we should be seeking to explain away his motives just yet. Let the law enforcement agencies gather enough evidence to figure him out first.

WoolyJumper · 15-06-2016 11:05AM

I know many religious gay people. My ex was a muslim. The LGBT community is diverse. There is a difference between the "gay scene" and the gay community. I personally rarely go out on Cork gay scene. I don't drink much, i was never fond of clubbing. I'm not going to pretend like the gay community is perfect. But it is supportive and inclusive. There is no reason you can't be religious and part of the gay community. If you are going to spout gay people are sinners and going to hell you might have a problem though.

Just fyi this was a response to anther comment that seems to have disappeared

Ozymandius2011 · 15-06-2016 11:05AM

Im concerned by the Liberal media's reportage on this case, They are following the San Bernadino playbook of presenting the attack as domestic with no international dimension.

This is a Fox video from last night of an interview with ,radical Imam of an Orlando mosque. He has convictions for arms offences and tax fraud. He is rumoured to have been a double agent until he attacked his CIA handler When asked by Greta van Susteren does he condemn beheading women for adultery he says no. Omar Mateen was allegedly enrolled in Robertson's radical Islamic school. The liberal media are ignoring this. If you type in "Marcus Robertson" on Google News it only appears on Fox and conservative websites. The Liberal media are covering it up to present a narrative that this is not international terrorism.

Robertson worked for the Blind Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, who was jailed for involvement in the 1993 WTC bombing.

Then we have the fact Mateen travelled twice to Saudi Arabia since 2010. Tashfin Malik also travelled there. Saudi Arabia is one of the worlds biggest state sponsors of terrorism. So I dont believe Obama's claim this is "Lone wolf" and only a hate crime or domestic terrorism. As a gay person I do consider it both an act of Islamic terrorism and a hate crime.

WoolyJumper · 15-06-2016 11:06AM

stefanovich wrote: »

No. He wanted to deny it had anything to do with Islam and deflect deflect deflect.

Actually he didn't deny it had anything to do with radical islam.

Boom_Bap · 15-06-2016 11:11AM

rjpf1980 wrote: »

Hillary is calling for an assault weapon ban.

Well unfortunately the AR-15 is not an assault weapon.

It is a semi-automatic rifle meaning it fires one shot per squeeze of the trigger. The 5.56 mm or .223 is not a high powered round.

Take a semi automatic hunting rifle which fire far bigger and powerful rounds and replace the walnut furniture of the gun with black plastic stock and fore grip and you will have a sexed up "assault" rifle even though it is still the same weapon.

One of the most common weapons in the US is the Ruger 10/22 which fires .22lr. An Islamic terrorist could easily use this weapon to perpetrator an Orlando style massacre. This weapon typically the type of gun kid's learn to shoot with before shooting bigger powerful hunting rifles when they get older. The Ruger is used to shoot birds and vermin but can easily kill and main large numbers of people especially when using 30 round magazines.

Remove the wood furniture of a Ruger and replace with the plastic stock, pistol style grip and foregrip and other attachments include sights and so on and suddenly you have an "assault" rifle.

Of course the overwhelming majority of gun deaths are perpetrated with .38 calibre or 9mm handguns. Not "assault rifles."

Just a reminder that we had a mod note about this last night in the thread:

Mod: Guys, please take the in depth discussion of firearms to another thread or to the Shooting forum.

12Phase · 15-06-2016 11:23AM

WoolyJumper wrote: »

I know many religious gay people. My ex was a muslim. The LGBT community is diverse. There is a difference between the "gay scene" and the gay community. I personally rarely go out on Cork gay scene. I don't drink much, i was never fond of clubbing. I'm not going to pretend like the gay community is perfect. But it is supportive and inclusive. There is no reason you can't be religious and part of the gay community. If you are going to spout gay people are sinners and going to hell you might have a problem though.

That being said I know I encountered a very conservative, Irish gay guy when I was younger and he was absolutely messed up about it to the point that he was at risk of self harm and he was being horrible to gay guys he had flirted with and met once he would flip into conservative mode.

I think it's more about homophobic interpretations of religion or familial culture sometimes than just an entire religious or culture.

Where someone thinks being gay is a terrible thing that they can't handle it can be highly damaging. In most cases it's inwardly focuses and just self destructive but in some you could definitely see someone having the potential to lash out when they flip from 'giving into temptation' to 'holier than thou ' mode.

This isn't something exclusive to gay people either. It happens with clandestine straight relationships where someone tries to hide a lover, hide an affair etc etc

You also saw it with hiding pregnancies and kids when not all that many decades ago having a baby out of wedlock was an absolute social disaster. Right up to the point that babies were ending up in horrific situations in institutions and worse.

Don't underestimate just how dangerous some beliefs about morality can become and how cold and aggressive individuals and organisations can become about imposing their views on others.

I don't think Islam has the exclusive rights to self oppression but there's just a very prominent and particularly extreme branch of it that is doing the rounds and that's reaching a lot of easily radicalised, already screwed up males and is adding the ideology of creating an Islamic state through violence and one with a very extreme view of what it considers to be morally acceptable. That's crossed into all sorts of political issues and motivations.

I think we need to stop accepting religious excuses for homophobia though. This notion that's come about in recent years of a a politically correct 'its my religious belief so you cannot be critical of it' is doing a lot of damage where is coming into direct conflict with general social norms and human rights law.

I don't think you'll see change when we still accept it to any extent from any organisation. It's like accepting people being just a bit racist for religious reasons.

Even if this guy is just a conflicted individual who lashed out, that doesn't in anyway excuse the fact that it's a horrific homophobic attack that may have been motivated by extremist views.

unseenfootage · 15-06-2016 11:41AM

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

Im concerned by the Liberal media's reportage on this case, They are following the San Bernadino playbook of presenting the attack as domestic with no international dimension.

This is a Fox video from last night of an interview with ,radical Imam of an Orlando mosque. He has convictions for arms offences and tax fraud. He is rumoured to have been a double agent until he attacked his CIA handler When asked by Greta van Susteren does he condemn beheading women for adultery he says no. Omar Mateen was allegedly enrolled in Robertson's radical Islamic school. The liberal media are ignoring this. If you type in "Marcus Robertson" on Google News it only appears on Fox and conservative websites. The Liberal media are covering it up to present a narrative that this is not international terrorism.

Robertson worked for the Blind Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, who was jailed for involvement in the 1993 WTC bombing.

Then we have the fact Mateen travelled twice to Saudi Arabia since 2010. Tashfin Malik also travelled there. Saudi Arabia is one of the worlds biggest state sponsors of terrorism. So I dont believe Obama's claim this is "Lone wolf" and only a hate crime or domestic terrorism. As a gay person I do consider it both an act of Islamic terrorism and a hate crime.

I agree that this is a terror attack as well since the shooter made explicit statements to 911 about US foreign policy.

I'm not sure if it is a homophobic attack. Could be but there is nothing explicit that suggests that apart from him being annoyed at two gays kissing in public. If there is an element of homophobia then it is minor, probably less than 10%.

So far it seems like this is a lone wolf attack in that he planned and executed it by himself without being part of a cell of terrorists. Obama is right on this one.

Millions of Muslims travel to Saudi Arabia to make their pilgrimages so what is suspicious about that.

12Phase · 15-06-2016 11:48AM

unseenfootage wrote: »

I agree that this is a terror attack as well since the shooter made explicit statements to 911 about US foreign policy.

I'm not sure if it is a homophobic attack. Could be but there is nothing explicit that suggests that apart from him being annoyed at two gays kissing in public. If there is an element of homophobia then it is minor, probably less than 10%.

So far it seems like this is a lone wolf attack in that he planned and executed it by himself without being part of a cell of terrorists. Obama is right on this one.

Millions of Muslims travel to Saudi Arabia to make their pilgrimages so what is suspicious about that.

I think it's a lot of things. That's the problem. The motives are unclear and may be multifactorial.

You're looking at IS openly calling for lone wolf attacks because they know it will create problems.

You're also talking about an organisation that has been seen to regularly execute gay people itself. So it's not impossible that the two factors are fully linked .

Rjd2 · 15-06-2016 11:51AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/15/france-and-belgium-face-imminent-terror-attack-from-armed-isil-c/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

unseenfootage · 15-06-2016 11:53AM

12Phase wrote: »

I think it's a lot of things. That's the problem. The motives are unclear and may be multifactorial.

You're looking at IS openly calling for lone wolf attacks because they know it will create problems.

You're also talking about an organisation that has been seen to regularly execute gay people itself. So it's not impossible that the two factors are fully linked .

They do throw gays off buildings but that is because they regard it as a capital offence. Any attack on gays would not emanate from their criminal justice system but more from their war department. From what I can see they regard every citizen in their list of 60 countries as fair game

12Phase · 15-06-2016 11:57AM

unseenfootage wrote: »

They do throw gays off buildings but that is because they regard it as a capital offence. Any attack on gays would not emanate from their criminal justice system but more from their war department. From what I can see they regard every citizen in their list of 60 countries as fair game

Any organisation that kills people for their sexual orientation is violently homophobic no matter what department does the murdering.

unseenfootage · 15-06-2016 12:02PM

12Phase wrote: »

Any organisation that kills people for their sexual orientation is violently homophobic no matter what department does the murdering.

Yeah, but we talking about the attack itself. You made a link between their criminal justice system and the attack. I was trying to say that this is not necessarily the case.

WoolyJumper · 15-06-2016 12:08PM

12Phase wrote: »

That being said I know I encountered a very conservative, Irish gay guy when I was younger and he was absolutely messed up about it to the point that he was at risk of self harm and he was being horrible to gay guys he had flirted with and met once he would flip into conservative mode.

I think it's more about homophobic interpretations of religion or familial culture sometimes than just an entire religious or culture.

Where someone thinks being gay is a terrible thing that they can't handle it can be highly damaging. In most cases it's inwardly focuses and just self destructive but in some you could definitely see someone having the potential to lash out when they flip from 'giving into temptation' to 'holier than thou ' mode.

This isn't something exclusive to gay people either. It happens with clandestine straight relationships where someone tries to hide a lover, hide an affair etc etc

You also saw it with hiding pregnancies and kids when not all that many decades ago having a baby out of wedlock was an absolute social disaster. Right up to the point that babies were ending up in horrific situations in institutions and worse.

Don't underestimate just how dangerous some beliefs about morality can become and how cold and aggressive individuals and organisations can become about imposing their views on others.

I don't think Islam has the exclusive rights to self oppression but there's just a very prominent and particularly extreme branch of it that is doing the rounds and that's reaching a lot of easily radicalised, already screwed up males and is adding the ideology of creating an Islamic state through violence and one with a very extreme view of what it considers to be morally acceptable. That's crossed into all sorts of political issues and motivations.

I think we need to stop accepting religious excuses for homophobia though. This notion that's come about in recent years of a a politically correct 'its my religious belief so you cannot be critical of it' is doing a lot of damage where is coming into direct conflict with general social norms and human rights law.

I don't think you'll see change when we still accept it to any extent from any organisation. It's like accepting people being just a bit racist for religious reasons.

Even if this guy is just a conflicted individual who lashed out, that doesn't in anyway excuse the fact that it's a horrific homophobic attack that may have been motivated by extremist views.

Oh and I completely agree with you. That was a response to a comment that was deleted? that said maybe this guy was gay but the gay community excluded him because he was religious and thats why he did what he did. Perhaps but from experience the gay community is diverse, made up of different races, beliefs non beliefs etc and are overall very supportive. Generally only thing LGBT people really have in common is that they are LGBT so naturally its a diverse group.

12Phase · 15-06-2016 12:17PM

WoolyJumper wrote: »

Oh and I completely agree with you. That was a response to a comment that was deleted? that said maybe this guy was gay but the gay community excluded him because he was religious and thats why he did what he did. Perhaps but from experience the gay community is diverse, made up of different races, beliefs non beliefs etc and are overall very supportive. Generally only thing LGBT people really have in common is that they are LGBT so naturally its a diverse group.

From what they've been saying he seemed to have been interacted with very friendly and positively by those in the club on previous occasions.

I've actually found in most cases the organisations within the LGBT community would be very concerned about reaching out to gay Muslims and others coming from very conservative backgrounds. It's not generally a community that tries to exclude precisely it's just a bunch of people of totally different backgrounds with that one linkage.

The only people who are reporting to have seen the bad side of him were his ex-wife and co workers.

unseenfootage · 15-06-2016 12:21PM

WoolyJumper wrote: »

Oh and I completely agree with you. That was a response to a comment that was deleted? that said maybe this guy was gay but the gay community excluded him because he was religious and thats why he did what he did. Perhaps but from experience the gay community is diverse, made up of different races, beliefs non beliefs etc and are overall very supportive. Generally only thing LGBT people really have in common is that they are LGBT so naturally its a diverse group.

The Guardian reports that the club owners are stating that he was not a patron at the club.

Several media reports quoted men as saying they had seen Mateen at Pulse many times or that he had contacted them via gay dating apps such as Grindr and Jack’d. But Pulse denied that he had ever been a patron. “Untrue and totally ridiculous,” spokeswoman Sara Brady said in an email to Reuters.

Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

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