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corny · 12-06-2016 12:24AM

Yeah disappointing day. Cunningham getting a lot of stick and he's not without blame but they were better than us and it was inescapable. The physical advantages some of their players had were just too much.

Stoner called us predictable, on reflection he was right (:mad:). Predictable in that we were unbelievably slow to change. KK pulled Mick Fennelly a bit deeper in the second half and we couldn't couldn't get out of our half as a result. Liam Rushe floated as a sweeper but KK just bypassed him during their opening second half salvo.

Thought Cian O' Callaghan gave a masterclass in how to deal with a dangerous forward. The amount of ball he spoiled on TJ Reid was unbelievable. Great performance. Actually all of the backs, bar Gough, played well i thought. Mainly because they are physically built for the battle!

Dooley? Young lad being asked to play a certain game. Felt bad for him in the end but his distribution was terrible. Absolutely terrible.

Dyr · 12-06-2016 12:54AM

ProudDUB wrote: »

The only possible good to come out of today, is that it will (hopefully) speed up Cunningham's departure. He is a piss poor man manager.

How many players on this dublin team could earn a place in the Kiilkenny or Tipp squads? None I reckon.

How many would win a place in the Clare, Waterford or Galway squads? Not many. I don't think think Cunningham has the answers but the problem he's trying to solve is one Cody, Fitz, McGrath and the rest don't have...we ain't got the players to compete with the best. Maybe in a few years

ProudDUB · 12-06-2016 01:11AM

That's as well as may be Bambi, but the 2 best players in a generation, aren't even on the panel anymore, so we aren't exactly in a good starting place when it comes to the 'ah sure, none of our lads are good enough' debates. Add in the tactics, or lack there of, that the manager persists with & it's hard to see these players being deployed to the best advantage, that shows off just how good they can really be, if given a chance.

Bonniedog · 12-06-2016 01:26AM

That was awful.

I remember 40 years ago. We could always get a hammering off the Cats. On our own, without outside assistance. Sometimes we made them fight for it.

nice_guy80 · 12-06-2016 09:55AM

I couldn't believe the amount of times Dublin players took the wrong option in possession, because they seemed to be programmed to give a handpass to a runner off the shoulder.

The amount of times they hand passed the ball backwards and then list possession was ridiculous

DoctaDee · 12-06-2016 11:52AM

The weekend is going to be rightly capped off now ..herself wants to go into PP to see the Mordor game :rolleyes:

Made worse by the fact she thought we could use the passes to get in !

Bonniedog · 12-06-2016 12:01PM

Should be a good crowd for that. Parnell is perfect for games like that. Not be worst way of spending the afternoon, although I could hardly bring myself to watch a game after last night.....

gormdubhgorm · 12-06-2016 12:12PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Should be a good crowd for that. Parnell is perfect for games like that. Not be worst way of spending the afternoon, although I could hardly bring myself to watch a game after last night.....

Yeah I am exactly the same I was looking forward to watching it as there will be plenty of bite in it.

But now it will only remind me of how little passion and fight Dublin showed v the cats yesterday. Out-fought and out-thought. Whatever about the different level in hurling skills I would like to see some effort put in.
It always seems to be the same Dublin hurlers who keep battling away no matter what. I wish the rest would be more like them.

DoctaDee · 12-06-2016 12:19PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Should be a good crowd for that. Parnell is perfect for games like that. Not be worst way of spending the afternoon, although I could hardly bring myself to watch a game after last night.....

Ah yeah I don't mind, should be a good atmosphere and fairly competitive. I'd admire those that have stuck with them thru the tough times, I'll be sitting on me hands

ProudDUB · 12-06-2016 01:08PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Ah yeah I don't mind, should be a good atmosphere and fairly competitive. I'd admire those that have stuck with them thru the tough times, I'll be sitting on me hands

What the heck is wrong with you? Whenever Modor (or Kerry) are playing, you ALWAYS cheer for whoever they are up against. Do I seriously need to explain how how this all works for a Dub? :eek:

Bret Hart · 12-06-2016 05:44PM

Meath it'll be the next day out. Easy pickings.

Flukey · 12-06-2016 06:42PM

Any of you that were in Portlaoise last night will know that the clock on the scoreboard wasn't working for most of the match. We should ask for a replay.

We were very poor in the second half, made worse by how well we finished the first half. There was a lot of hope around at half time, though we knew Kilkenny would come at us in the second half. 1 - 8 without reply wasn't quite what we anticipated. It was like what they did to Galway in the second half of the All-Ireland final last year. They raised the intensity and we couldn't keep with it. We've got to dust ourselves down and hope for a good draw in the qualifiers.

Dyr · 12-06-2016 06:56PM

Flukey wrote: »

We've got to dust ourselves down and hope for a good draw in the qualifiers.

I hope we get drawn against a strong team, we need to see where this side is at.

Bonniedog · 12-06-2016 07:56PM

Should write the seniors off for this year. Dublin have a good chance of winning Leinster 21s, and a reasonable chance of winning minor. AI semi finals or in worst case scenario, quarter finals.

Seniors won't beat any half decent team.

ProudDUB · 12-06-2016 08:02PM

Bret Hart wrote: »

Meath it'll be the next day out. Easy pickings.

Could be worse. At least Meath will make it a competitive contest.....for about the first 10 minutes. :rolleyes:

CatInABox · 13-06-2016 09:30AM

Thanks to Sky Sports taking the Dublin-Kilkenny game again, it made my GB GaaGo pass useless, could only follow it on twitter.

Kilkenny have this ability to make me believe in the first half of a game that maybe, just maybe there might be an upset on the cards, but man, are they just unbelievable at crushing that slim hope.

Could be worse though. My dad is a Sligo man who went down to Hyde Park for the match, he was buzzing at half time. Radio Silence afterwards.

DoctaDee · 13-06-2016 10:48AM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Could be worse. At least Meath will make it a competitive contest.....for about the first 10 minutes. :rolleyes:

I tell ya (putting the opposition in context), it was an impressive display from da royals yesterday. They seem to have put a solid structure to their play moved the ball quickly - the 2 lads Wallace and O'Sullivan will be a handful for anyone if the ball gets into them - they also worked hard tracking back. They were a good 10 points better but let Louth into as the game wore on - worryingly for them they seemed to get leggy in the last 10-15 minutes and Louth were coming thru the middle a fair bit.

Encouraging start to their campaign, well balanced to the mainpart - I just get the feeling they'll have a lot of ground to cover next day to keep their FB & HB lines from being exposed ... Mrs Doc wanted a selfie of us down the Craobh Chiarain end to post on Facebook ... charity has to end somewhere - I ran her

Fbjm · 14-06-2016 09:06PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Could be worse. At least Meath will make it a competitive contest.....for about the first 10 minutes. :rolleyes:

I don't like this. Dubs are getting complacent, remember 1996-2010? I wouldn't be taking it for granted. I thought the 2010 LFC was in the bag as we were coming up on a possible six in a row. Didn't happen, we lost to Meath. No win is guaranteed in football.

ProudDUB · 14-06-2016 09:37PM

This Dublin team are in a much, much different place than the 2010 team were. We may well get caught out this year. The stat that no manager (in the modern era) has led his county to back to back All Ireland titles backs that up. But if we do get caught out this year, it ain't gonna be by Meath imo.

Bonniedog · 14-06-2016 10:30PM

Have to say, still annoyed over Keaney's tweet about the hurlers.

He should have kept that for over a few pints. Bad form.

JRant · 14-06-2016 10:52PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Have to say, still annoyed over Keaney's tweet about the hurlers.

He should have kept that for over a few pints. Bad form.

Ah I think he's just as entitled to give his take on it as anyone else. Plus he's not wrong in what he said either. We were a shambles and didn't react in any way to what Kilkenny were doing.

If we want to make the step up then that's exactly the type of criticism that needs to be taken on board. It shouldn't be acceptable to the county board to get beaten by that sort of a scoreline or continually underperform as we do. It wouldn't be acceptable for Tipp, Kilkenny or any other top team.

If we want to keep the talented young players coming through in the hurling set up then we need to have the same high standards the other top teams have or we'll keep losing them to the football. Right now if you had to choose between the big or small ball then it's not much of a choice really.

We've gone backwards since winning the league a couple of years ago yet the squad is nowhere near as bad as the results would suggest.

Stoner · 14-06-2016 11:05PM

JRant wrote:

Ah I think he's just as entitled to give his take on it as anyone else. Plus he's not wrong in what he said either. We were a shambles and didn't react in any way to what Kilkenny were doing.

We should give him the job so. This Dublin team currently don't know how or are afraid to react and change their approach.
Jim Gavin picks lads that are smart and can read the game and react in the moment he says the line can't communicate the message fast enough during the game, that's football, hurling as we know requires even more of this attitude. What ever happened to sayings like inter county hurling is all about being cute?
Look at Ciaran kilkenny in some recent football games , he's drifted from a half forward to commanding play from a sweeper position , why ? because he can and or is allowed to read the game and change position.
He'd certainly be missed in the football team but he'd be some addition to the hurlers, along with 3 or 4 others.

Stoner · 14-06-2016 11:10PM

JRant wrote:

We've gone backwards since winning the league a couple of years ago yet the squad is nowhere near as bad as the results would suggest.

The underage lads are not filtering through, we are not seeing the benefit of our relative success at underage

ProudDUB · 14-06-2016 11:11PM

I don't have a problem at all with former players having an opinion on how we are doing. Be it on Twitter, or in a newspaper column, or going on RTE/Off The Ball to give an opinion, sure they are all at it. Mossy Quinn, Alan Brogan, Bryan Cullen all did it when they retired and, no one batted an eyelid. Same with the likes of Sheflin, Tomas O'Se, Paul Galvin etc etc and no one says anything.

Why should Conal Keaney, or the other hurlers no longer on the panel, be under any special obligation to keep their mouths shut? The Co Board and mgt would probably all prefer if they didn't. Not rocking the boat and all that. But something is clearly wrong with what Cunningham is doing imo, both on the pitch and with his man management. The more people that speak out about it - especially respected figures like CK - the less chance there is of things being swept under the carpet.

Maybe because things are going so well with the footballers, anything the former players say gets lost in the shuffle, as they aren't saying anything remotely controversial. It's a different (and more uncomfortable) story for the hurlers, but I still don't think they are under any obligation to just shuffle off to the retirement home and say nothing.

Stoner · 14-06-2016 11:15PM

ProudDUB wrote:

Maybe because things are going so well with the footballers, anything the former players say gets lost in the shuffle, as they aren't saying anything remotely controversial. It's a different (and more uncomfortable) story for the hurlers, but I still don't think they are under any obligation to just shuffle off to the retirement home and say nothing.

True in fact he's very close to the camp and should possibly be listened to more than most

JRant · 14-06-2016 11:19PM

Stoner wrote: »

We should give him the job so. This Dublin team currently don't know how or are afraid to react and change their approach.
Jim Gavin picks lads that are smart and can read the game and react in the moment he says the line can't communicate the message fast enough during the game, that's football, hurling as we know requires even more of this attitude. What ever happened to sayings like inter county hurling is all about being cute?
Look at Ciaran kilkenny in some recent football games , he's drifted from a half forward to commanding play from a sweeper position , why ? because he can and or is allowed to read the game and change position.
He'd certainly be missed in the football team but he'd be some addition to the hurlers, along with 3 or 4 others.

Exactly right. I think it was JJ on the sky panel talking about this very point. He said a lot of the changes on the field would often be made by the players on the field but only if they were for the team's benefit. Cody gives them a certain amount of freedom, much the same as Gavin does.

What we saw on Saturday was a team completely confused by the tactics and afraid to make any changes. I mean it was as plain as day that Kilkenny had pushed up on our puck outs and Mick Fennelly dropped back to sweep just in front of his half backs. Now if I can see it what the hell is Cunningham doing. The Cats scored 1-8 after half time before any changes were made and even then it was a case of Plan A's not working, revert to Plan A.

It's exactly like Davy with Clare, stick to the rigid gameplan or you're off the panel.

Dyr · 14-06-2016 11:25PM

Keaney has played on Dublin teams that were beat out the gate by Kilkenny just as bad as last week.

It was bad form

JRant · 14-06-2016 11:27PM

Stoner wrote: »

The underage lads are not filtering through, we are not seeing the benefit of our relative success at underage

That's my point though. We're not seeing them because they're choosing football instead and I wouldn't have an issue with that at all.

We've lost some serious talent from the hurling to the football, Kilkenny, Lowdes, Dermo are/were all serious hurlers but went with the football. Con O’Callaghan is probably going to go as well.

However we should be exacting the same high standards demanded of the football team with our hurlers. If we settle for mediocrity then we'll lose more and more players.

JRant · 14-06-2016 11:31PM

Bambi wrote: »

Keaney has played on Dublin teams that were beat out the gate by Kilkenny just as bad as last week.

It was bad form

He was also part of the Dublin team that won a league title.

Anyway, he's just as entitled to his opinion as you or me.

ProudDUB · 14-06-2016 11:35PM

Yep. When CK speaks, people listen.

Before the Wexford game, he was on that RTE sports show (Game On?) doing a bit of punditry. I wonder if he is up for a spot on the Sunday Game? We could do with some more Dub representation on the sofa, to counter all that KK arrogance. Maybe he could take Donal Og's spot. The show would also be a lot better if we heard more from players who have actually hurled in this millennium. Best of luck to him if he goes for it.

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