Season 6 Episode 8 "No One" - "Non book readers"

PressRun · 14-06-2016 02:48AM

I didn't love this episode. It's actually the first this season that I didn't really enjoy. I'm mainly disappointed with how they resolved Riverrun. Edmure just seems a bit pathetic, and I agree with a previous poster that the way they handled the loyalty of the the Tully soldiers to Edmure from episode to episode was poor. I liked the Blackfish, however, and would have liked to have seen more of him. As it stands, it feels like his reintroduction just came to a whole lot of nothing.

Danerys swooping in was cringey.

One aspect I did like was the Faith going to scope out Cersei's situation with the Mountain and then immediately outlawing trials by combat. They're doing everything they can to get rid of her. Have no idea what she was talking about with the maester though? The "rumour" or whatever? Was this mentioned in a previous episode?

Vojera · 14-06-2016 07:27AM

mzungu wrote: »

Are the Faceless Men finished with her though? Arya killed one of their members. I reckon they will be back again at some stage.

They've emphasised the whole "life for a life" thing a lot, so I reckon her debt is paid by killing the waif. The Many-Faced God got a face, it doesn't matter who it belongs to.

I am a bit confused as to why the original Jaqen H'agar told Arya to come to the House of Black and White, though. He said he could help her with her list, but Arya becoming No One would mean abandoning that list. Did the Faceless Men ever truly intend Arya to become one of them?

Vojera · 14-06-2016 07:34AM

shrewdness wrote: »

"You're getting old Clegane"

"He's not"

How I've missed The Hound.

"You're **** at dying"

EagererBeaver · 14-06-2016 08:04AM

Links234 wrote: »

My guess is he's heard rumour of a certain absconded Ironborn fleet in Volantis and that's whom he was off to meet with.

Doubt it. The Iron Fleet is at sea and Varys doesn't strike me as much of a swimmer.

People moaning about someone disliking an episode and giving their reasons need to cop on. Everyone's opinion is just that, an opinion and they've every right to air it. There are some blindingly obvious plot holes (Littlefinger's teleporter for one) that you'd have to mad not to find ridiculous and preposterous.

Shane St. · 14-06-2016 08:19AM

the whole faceless man thing just seems like a massive waste of time now its hopefully done

Bacchus · 14-06-2016 08:45AM

Vojera wrote: »

"You're **** at dying"

Brilliant line. What a final insult to give someone

Vojera wrote: »

They've emphasised the whole "life for a life" thing a lot, so I reckon her debt is paid by killing the waif. The Many-Faced God got a face, it doesn't matter who it belongs to.

I am a bit confused as to why the original Jaqen H'agar told Arya to come to the House of Black and White, though. He said he could help her with her list, but Arya becoming No One would mean abandoning that list. Did the Faceless Men ever truly intend Arya to become one of them?

It feels like there was method to the madness there with Arya's training and Jaqen's interest in her but it was left a little bit too vague. I reckon Arya killing the T-1000 was the ultimate test for Arya... afterall at the end he says "now you are truely noone" to which Arya replies that she is "Arya Stark" and he smiles. It's sort of implying that it's not possible to be noone and that point isn't to be noone but to be someone who can be anyone. So Arya is still Arya but she is anyone when she needs to be.... so yeah, it's a vague outcome but I think there's some sense to it and I hope we get a bit more insight into the whole faceless men thing before it all ends.

The slight alternative to what I say above is that Arya has shown she is noone but one of her faces is Arya Stark and she is going to play that "role" now. Once finished though, she'll return to the temple with a load of faces for the many-faced God

conorhal · 14-06-2016 09:23AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

What? That's exactly where the writers should be, it would be just about as productive as sitting this crowd down at a wordprocessor...

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After watching that episode, personally I'd connect the chain to a paddle for their arses!

CMOTDibbler · 14-06-2016 09:38AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Doubt it. The Iron Fleet is at sea and Varys doesn't strike me as much of a swimmer.

People moaning about someone disliking an episode and giving their reasons need to cop on. Everyone's opinion is just that, an opinion and they've every right to air it. There are some blindingly obvious plot holes (Littlefinger's teleporter for one) that you'd have to mad not to find ridiculous and preposterous.

The bit of it that Yara and Theon took is in Volantis.

A lot of the moaning is misplaced. People are not paying atatention and then complaining about something that they've missed.

Tenger · 14-06-2016 09:38AM

Shane St. wrote: »

the whole faceless man thing just seems like a massive waste of time now its hopefully done

Why do people keep saying this,
It was an extended training montage....the Starks now have a trained assasin unexpectedly coming 'back from the dead' to help them.

brevity · 14-06-2016 09:40AM

What was the secret/rumour yer man was talking about with Cerci?

Akrasia · 14-06-2016 09:42AM

There were just to many anti climaxes this season

I hope the next two episodes are worth all of this dancing around

Unshelved · 14-06-2016 09:43AM

If the witch was right, Cersei will lose all 3 incestlings...I don't hate Tommen, he's just being used by everyone around him - mommy included - and his destruction seems inevitable.

Does anyone remember in the first series, Cersei talking about her black- or brown-haired boy who died? It was in a conversation with Caitlin after Bran was injured. The inference was - from what I remember - that this boy was her son by Robert. So if the witch is right, Cersei has now lost three children and Tommen will live.

Actually, just googled it and I didn't imagine it!
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Cersei's_black-haired_son

Akrasia · 14-06-2016 09:47AM

Tenger wrote: »

Why do people keep saying this,
It was an extended training montage....the Starks now have a trained assasin unexpectedly coming 'back from the dead' to help them.

She was already trained by that fella Syrio Forel in season 1. It would have been a lot less confusing and boring if she had just continued her own training off screen or in some more interesting side plots.

The Faceless men and the Dorn scenes are the worst parts of the show for me.
At least Bran's trip to the tree eventually led to something.

CMOTDibbler · 14-06-2016 09:52AM

Akrasia wrote: »

She was already trained by that fella Syrio Forel in season 1. It would have been a lot less confusing and boring if she had just continued her own training off screen or in some more interesting side plots.

The Faceless men and the Dorn scenes are the worst parts of the show for me.
At least Bran's trip to the tree eventually led to something.

There's a lot more to being a trained assassin than the 'water dancing' that Forel was teaching her, and that training was cut short... Literally.

Among other things, she's learned to fight blind, identify and use poisons, mask her identity and master different weapons.

Witcher · 14-06-2016 09:55AM

Unshelved wrote: »

Does anyone remember in the first series, Cersei talking about her black- or brown-haired boy who died? It was in a conversation with Caitlin after Bran was injured. The inference was - from what I remember - that this boy was her son by Robert. So if the witch is right, Cersei has now lost three children and Tommen will live.

Actually, just googled it and I didn't imagine it!
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Cersei's_black-haired_son

She doesn't say Cersei will lose three children specifically, she says 'Gold will be their crowns and gold their shrouds', the term 'crowns' can be taken to mean their hair as Myrcella for instance...never had an actual crown.

Bacchus · 14-06-2016 10:15AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

There's a lot more to being a trained assassin than the 'water dancing' that Forel was teaching her, and that training was cut short... Literally.

Among other things, she's learned to fight blind, identify and use poisons, mask her identity and master different weapons.

The faceless men plot was meandering and took a long time but at least when (if) Arya starts kicking ass as an assassin in Westeros there can be no complaints of "how did Arya suddenly become the most lethal killer in Westeros". They took their time to develop her as an assassin... the pay off better be worth it.

EagererBeaver · 14-06-2016 10:18AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

The bit of it that Yara and Theon took is in Volantis.

A lot of the moaning is misplaced. People are not paying atatention and then complaining about something that they've missed.

Well then, if the remainder of what's left behind (it was specifically mentioned that Theon and Yara took the best ships) manages to rock up to meet Varys somwhere, or a new fleet of 1,000 ships is magically built in the next few days, then that's the kind of rubbish that people should legitimately be able to complain about without having to suffer accusations of not being capable of suspending disbelief etc. It would just be bad writing.

maudgonner · 14-06-2016 10:32AM

brevity wrote: »

What was the secret/rumour yer man was talking about with Cerci?

I reckon it was about the maesters having a secret stockpile of wildfire hidden in Westeros and Cersei is going to rain hell down on the HS

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2016 10:37AM

Vojera wrote: »

They've emphasised the whole "life for a life" thing a lot, so I reckon her debt is paid by killing the waif. The Many-Faced God got a face, it doesn't matter who it belongs to.

I am a bit confused as to why the original Jaqen H'agar told Arya to come to the House of Black and White, though. He said he could help her with her list, but Arya becoming No One would mean abandoning that list. Did the Faceless Men ever truly intend Arya to become one of them?

i think his smile when she said she was arya stark and not a girl indicates that it was never his intention for her to become a faceless man. he just wanted to train her so she could get her revenge.

CMOTDibbler · 14-06-2016 10:43AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Well then, if the remainder of what's left behind (it was specifically mentioned that Theon and Yara took the best ships) manages to rock up to meet Varys somwhere, or a new fleet of 1,000 ships is magically built in the next few days, then that's the kind of rubbish that people should legitimately be able to complain about without having to suffer accusations of not being capable of suspending disbelief etc. It would just be bad writing.

I was specifically thinking of the ships that Yara and Theon took. But a large fleet has 'magically' turned up in Meereen. Would it require massive suspension of disbelief for Dany to take it under control? Considering that these ships are mostly crewed by slaves?

EagererBeaver · 14-06-2016 11:15AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

I was specifically thinking of the ships that Yara and Theon took. But a large fleet has 'magically' turned up in Meereen. Would it require massive suspension of disbelief for Dany to take it under control? Considering that these ships are mostly crewed by slaves?

I think those ships are going to be toast though. And if not, Yara's fleet will smash them.

CMOTDibbler · 14-06-2016 11:46AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

I think those ships are going to be toast though. And if not, Yara's fleet will smash them.

Toast the command ships and then you have a fleet. You've certainly made an example. Yara's fleet can then round them up. There are so many ways that she can get control of the ships without destroying them all.

CdeC · 14-06-2016 12:07PM

This season has been terribly boring.
Very little is happening and it only is alluded to.

all the potential fights end with a truce, chat or some other reason not to fight and even the final scene with Arya and the waif was poor. I'm just very underwhelmed this season.

The exchange between Edmure and Jamie was good. The blackfish was a great character and was a shame they didn't extend his role. Was a bit like a panto scene when he drew his sword and went off.

I'm excited to see Arya back in westoros and good to see Daenarys back on track to deliver a serious ass kicking

eeloe · 14-06-2016 12:19PM

Irish94 wrote: »

Side note - Don't know if it just me but the sound this season has been extremely poor. I had to turn on the subtitles to properly understand the conversation between Lord Edmure and Jamie Lannister. Not the first time I have done it this season. Anyone else experiencing this?

Yep i've been saying it since episode 1 of this season, the sound engineer was clearly not interested when the episodes were in post production, worst sound on any tv show i've experienced to date, i even went out and bought a new sound bar - subwoofer combination for the TV just so i can hear it!

leggo · 14-06-2016 12:20PM

For a few weeks, I worked in door-to-door sales. It was a total con job. They had sales 'teams' working for commission and come up with chants and other cult-like stuff that had everyone focused on some bigger picture thing that never came to fruition to distract from the fact that the whole thing was a ****ing pyramid scheme! Having said that, though, I still use a lot of the sales skills I learned there in my professional life. So it was a bad experience that was ultimately useful to me in the long run.

That's pretty much how I look at the Faceless Men story. It dragged on at times and I felt took a lot of momentum away from Arya, who was possibly my favourite character when she was going around with The Hound in series 4, but it had its moments (the chase scene, her assassination at the end of last season) and will ultimately make her into the legit bad ass her character always hinted it'll be. We wanna see her meticulously go through her kill list, but at the end of the day if we saw it happen without this we'd still be like "ahhhh come on now she's still just a young daughter of a Lord..." Now we can enjoy any bad-assery to come from her guilt-free, so I think we'll be happy it happened in the long run.

expectationlost · 14-06-2016 12:28PM

Bacchus wrote: »

The faceless men plot was meandering and took a long time but at least when (if) Arya starts kicking ass as an assassin in Westeros there can be no complaints of "how did Arya suddenly become the most lethal killer in Westeros". They took their time to develop her as an assassin... the pay off better be worth it.

like to see her take on the Mountain, it will like watching Shadow of the Colossus

XsApollo · 14-06-2016 12:31PM

eeloe wrote: »

Yep i've been saying it since episode 1 of this season, the sound engineer was clearly not interested when the episodes were in post production, worst sound on any tv show i've experienced to date, i even went out and bought a new sound bar - subwoofer combination for the TV just so i can hear it!

Well I only just got into game of thrones like a few weeks ago.
Was off work for a week and stumbled across it in the sky box sets.
So I watched season 1 to 5 in the space of a week and a couple of episodes of season 6, then had to wait for the next episode to show on TV.
When I watched it at 9 pm on Sky the first thing I noticed was the picture and sound were brutal compared to downloading the box sets.
Some difference in the dark scenes and sound overall is rubbish.

I haven't tried to wait for the next episode to show up on catch up instead of watching it at 9 to see if there is an improvement that way but will do for the last 2 episodes.

OneOfThem Stumbled · 14-06-2016 01:53PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

The same army who, just last episode, were prepared to stand by and do nothing as the Freys threatened to cut their Lord's throat

The same men who rallied behind the Blackfish, retook Riverrun at their own peril and were prepared to die holding the castle during the siege are suddenly cool with just accepting Edmure's orders over those of the Blackfish and handing Riverrun over to the Freys?

Terrible writing .
The writing on the show the last few seasons has drastically deteriorated .

That's actually a really good point. So if instead of one of the Freys calling out "surrender Riverun or Edmure will be killed" had had Edmure shout out "surrender Riverun" then the siege would have been over at the very beginning?

Huh?

Besides which, Walder Frey is lord of Riverrun, by royal decree... if you are going by the letter of the law.

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So what was the point of the Riverlands scenes?

To show Lannister and Frey interactions?
Nope.

The Frey's struggling to control their territory?
Not even close.

The results of the War of 5 Kings?
Nope.

A tie-in to the events in the north?
No way.

Getting rid of loose end of Blackfish?
Guy who dies off-screen? Guess again.

Brienne and Jaimie interaction?
Oh... close!

Jamie and Edmure interaction?
Colder.

Jaimie's... undying love to Cersei?
Bingo!

Yeah, that's obviously it. The whole of the Riverlands stuff was just a stage for Jaimie to double-down on his commitment to his close family. The Tullys were just a stalking horse, and likely won't be mentioned again.

CMOTDibbler · 14-06-2016 02:10PM

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

That's actually a really good point. So if instead of one of the Freys calling out "surrender Riverun or Edmure will be killed" had had Edmure shout out "surrender Riverun" then the siege would have been over at the very beginning?

Except the Freys didn't have the right pressure point. Edmure was prepared to die rather than give up Riverrun but not to have his baby son catapulted over the ramparts and his wife to follow.

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

Jaimie's... undying love to Cersei?
Bingo!

Yeah, that's obviously it. The whole of the Riverlands stuff was just a stage for Jaimie to double-down on his commitment to his close family. The Tullys were just a stalking horse, and likely won't be mentioned again.

But you're right with the above. Jaime's ruthlessness to be with and protect his sister is the main purpose of the episode. This being the non book reader's thread, we'll leave it at that.

Billy86 · 14-06-2016 02:44PM

leggo wrote: »

For a few weeks, I worked in door-to-door sales. It was a total con job. They had sales 'teams' working for commission and come up with chants and other cult-like stuff that had everyone focused on some bigger picture thing that never came to fruition to distract from the fact that the whole thing was a ****ing pyramid scheme!

Ah yeah but man... bells at the end of the day!! (ugh)

I did the same for a couple of months back in 2007, definitely some good skills picked up but what a weird little time in my life that was!

Season 6 Episode 8 "No One" - "Non book readers"

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