Season 6 Episode 8 "No One" - "Non book readers"

Nody

Pre empting the upcoming episode post by including some highlights from the charter. I'll try to set up each episode in advance each week; thread will be unlocked on Sunday evening.

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PTH2009

Sky go stream is crap on PS4 keeps stopping

Niska

PTH2009 wrote: »

Sky go stream is crap on PS4 keeps stopping

Yeah its annoying - keep getting a 1400 error every 8-10 minutes since last app update.

PTH2009

Niska wrote: »

Yeah its annoying - keep getting a 1400 error every 8-10 minutes since last app update.

Keeps stopping at the exciting parts.

Turpentine

Pretty sh1tty episode I think.

Starts off with a travelling actress being a master surgeon.(?) I can take suspension of disbelief, but come on.

The Hound was great, as always.

Blah Blah Blackfish waste of the character.

No trial by combat?

I'm almost hoping that Arya at the end is the Waif in disguise. Doubt it though. Needle abides. So much screen time, so little pay off in that part of the story.

lertsnim

The Mountain with a move straight out of Mortal Kombat

Turpentine

lertsnim wrote: »

The Mountain with a move straight out of Mortal Kombat

"Sub Zero Wins. Fatality"

Hank Scorpio

That was pretty meh. Arya scenes Terminatoresque

leonil7

great arya finally left that boring place it was dragging her storyline.
would have been better if she trained with the swordmasters of bravos instead.
total waste of time living gloomy in dark places with the faceless man.

Avatar MIA

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Arya scenes Terminatoresque

That's what I thought too.

I enjoyed it, and I think the reason that is because I'm enjoying the tale being told and not trying to pre-empt what's to come, as if we already know the story and want it to play out as expected.

Just enjoy it.

lazybones32

The T-1000 scene was a bit 'meh!' but I did like the swipe to the candle.

Them dragons are starting to remind me of the Eagles from LOTR

Anachrony

Disappointed with Arya just shrugging off a clearly fatal wound and then running and jumping like nothing had happened. Opium doesn't help with sepsis, nor does dipping your fresh wound in the open sewage of a medieval canal. People wouldn't have great odds of surviving that today with modern medical intervention. Back then it was a death sentence. And this isn't applying real world logic to a fantasy series. It's applying internal consistency to the show. Previous wounds like this in the show were a slow, painful death.

Disappointed with Arya traipsing around without a care in the world and no Needle, after her well justified caution at the end of the episode before that. The Faceless Men explicitly threatened her if she failed again, so she knew she was strolling around the headquarters of an elite assassin's guild trying to kill her. An earlier episode showed Arya examining the old woman face up close, yet when that woman walked up to stab her she seemed oblivious.

WinnyThePoo

Very strong episode. Arya not showing no sign of injury was stupid.

muddypaws

Enjoyed the episode, but maybe having read so much in here last week, was hoping for something much, much more from Arya, would have liked at least one of the boards theories to have come true.

Blackfish storyline, complete damp squib. My foolish female heart did break a tiny bit with Jaime and Brienne, sometimes no words are needed.

klose

Dissapointing end for the blackfish, was hoping he would head off with brienne and pod instead of stupidly marching knowingly to his death.

irishguitarlad

Poor episode. This season has been a mixed bag but still better than last season.

TCDStudent1

Thought Khaleesi's return was poorly done. I would have liked to see the Greyjoys appear at the moment just to see what pandemonium their ships would bring.

It seems GOT is no longer as clever as their viewers. All of the theories that I read about Arya was better than it how it turned out. I did like how she purposefully drew her into the dark corner however.

PTH2009

Where those ships that attacked Meerhan the greyjoys ???

Where is Ramsey ??

Avatar MIA

PTH2009 wrote: »

Where those ships that attacked Meerhan the greyjoys ???

The Masters.

PTH2009 wrote: »

Where is Ramsey ??

Patiently waiting to be attacked by Jon et al.

homerun_homer

The Riverrun story was disappointing for a finish. I did like Brienne & Jamie's scene. I'll not say it was a pointless side-plot yet since who knows what is to come overall but it was crap to see the Blackfish just walk off like that and not decide to say "f**k it, get me on the boat and I'll die helping my niece." Edmure was a dead man with the Freys and Lannisters if he didn't obey orders, would he not have been a man and get inside the castle and stick two fingers up to them. If he's gonna die, die with his own and not surrender.

Glad Arya is finally going to leave Bravos, it was a little OTT her able to jump and run around but she was clearly in agony and you do what you can to survive when you've got her determination. I'm not going to dwell on how real it all was or not, there's bloody dragons, zombies and resurrections in the show ffs.

More Mountain demolishing the faith militant please and please give Tyrion something to do, he's been wasted this season (no pun intended).

Now that Dani is back I'm hoping the season doesn't end with a win for her in Mereen followed by the Drogon flying off and the screen cutting to black as it lets out a screech. Been there, done that too many times.

Diabhal Beag

Awful ep.

castletownman

Well feck Meereen getting attacked. Wanted to hear the punch-line to Tyrion's joke about the brothel.

Dair76

Poor enough episode. Sadly, Arya's story from last week was just poorly written, as predicted. Varus, Tyrion and Blackfish all wasted potential. Thommen still a little bitch. The only saving grace was that Dany didn't get any lines after last week's clichéd speech.

dark crystal

Wakest episode of the season so far for me, although I still think it's been a pretty strong season overall. Few questions, though....

What happened to the Tully army after the castle was retaken? Do they now serve the Freys, were they killed, or were they set free? Once the Blackfish knew the game was over, why didn't he instruct them to leave with Brienne?

Also, what rumour was Cersei discussing with Maester Qyburn?

expectationlost

what is Jamie going to do with the Tullys surely he might as well have let them leave without arms

J. Marston

Tully's are bottom of the food chain now. They'll answer to the Freys who answer to the Lannisters.

I assume their army will be allowed to live since Edmure has promised to be a good little vassal Lord.

homerun_homer

dark crystal wrote: »

What happened to the Tully army after the castle was retaken? Do they now serve the Freys, were they killed, or were they set free? Once the Blackfish knew the game was over, why didn't he instruct them to leave with Brienne?

Also, what rumour was Cersei discussing with Maester Qyburn?

I presume due to the negotiation with Edmure, Jamie has them under Lannister control now. The Blackfish couldn't tell the army to do his bidding as Edmure is their Lord.

Regarding Cersei... Wildfire? Tyrion being in Mereen? Something else? Not sure, Cersei knew about the Wildfire so she wouldn't be referring to it as rumour.

MisterAnarchy

homerun_homer wrote: »

I presume due to the negotiation with Edmure, Jamie has them under Lannister control now. The Blackfish couldn't tell the army to do his bidding as Edmure is their Lord.

The same army who, just last episode, were prepared to stand by and do nothing as the Freys threatened to cut their Lord's throat

The same men who rallied behind the Blackfish, retook Riverrun at their own peril and were prepared to die holding the castle during the siege are suddenly cool with just accepting Edmure's orders over those of the Blackfish and handing Riverrun over to the Freys?

Terrible writing .
The writing on the show the last few seasons has drastically deteriorated .

NinjaTruncs

Why does everyone think the Blackfish story is done we didn't see him die, which going by GOT rules means he isn't yet dead. But if he is dead and that is the full extent of the Tully rebellion it was a bit of a damp squid story.

mooseknunkle

Another meh episode thats 3 in a row now,theres so much going on that with just 2 episodes left there will be a lot of unanswered questions.

Tigger

castletownman wrote: »

Well feck Meereen getting attacked. Wanted to hear the punch-line to Tyrion's joke about the brothel.

It's from the breakfast club
Which I think is what the three of them are being

homerun_homer

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

The same army who, just last episode, were prepared to stand by and do nothing as the Freys threatened to cut their Lord's throat

The same men who rallied behind the Blackfish, retook Riverrun at their own peril and were prepared to die holding the castle during the siege are suddenly cool with just accepting Edmure's orders over those of the Blackfish and handing Riverrun over to the Freys?

Terrible writing .
The writing on the show the last few seasons has drastically deteriorated .

I guess the difference would be that Edmure never gave demands the first time around, he was held hostage and the Frey's were trying to threaten to kill him to get them to open the castle. This time he was free and they may have felt the need to follow orders and get him to safety, regardless of the consequences. I'm not saying it was well handled but that might be how it works in their heads.

Links234

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

Why does everyone think the Blackfish story is done we didn't see him die, which going by GOT rules means he isn't yet dead. But if he is dead and that is the full extent of the Tully rebellion it was a bit of a damp squid story.

We didn't see Stannis die either, doesn't mean anything.

Honestly, the amount of off-screen deaths in this show really does annoy me. I know we shouldn't put the writers on a pedalstool, but you know, it's gotten really lazy and this ep was especially bad.

DeadHand

So disappointed they didn't give Blackfish a decent death scene. I understand the necessity of his death storywise, but it would have been so much more satisfying to see him go down fighting taking a few enemies with him or 1v1 against Jaime or Bronn. Duels and/or compelling death scenes have been one of the staples of the series so far and it seemed like a perfect opportunity to slip another one in. The only reason I can imagine they didn't was because the 70 year old Clive Russel wasn't up to it physically- though he did seem relatively spry. In any case, having a random soldier march up to Jaime and say "yea, he's dead" is one of the most anti-climatic ways possible to dispose of an excellent, much admired character.

The next episode could be a belter. Hopefully, it will be an episode long spectacle a la the battle of Blackwater or Castle Black.

The Blackfish is dead. Ser Jamie Lannister asked to see him when his guard said they got him. Then the guard told him that the Blackfish died in battle. Why would Jamie's own man lie to him if the Blackfish had survived? To cover up a mistake, yes, but this isn't happening as the show is already heavy enough with subplots.

Right from when the Blackfish reappeared in the show, his death was telegraphed - "I will die in this castle before I give it up" etc. Just before his death while reasoning with Brienne and Pod, he did everything but look into the camera and say "I'm heading off to die now, g'luck" and wave his hand at us.

The show is guilty of too much happening off-screen, especially character deaths. In this case though, I can understand it especially given the age of the actor Clive Russell also. We already got to see an old warrior go out in a blaze of glory last season, Ser Barristan Selmy, so the way it was done with the Blackfish didn't bother me.

Edit: I just went to search for the age of Clive Russell (Blackfish) to confirm that he is in his golden years, and I found an interview with him that was just posted an hour ago, courtesy of the Independent. Death confirmed, as well as him discussing the fact that it was offscreen and other things from his scenes this season. It's a good, quick read. For non-book readers though, the author mentions the differences between the character in the show and the book (nothing too spoilery at all). Just skip the early, short paragraph that begins with "In George RR Martin's novels..." if you want to remain pure from the books...

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-6-blackfish-dead-clive-russell-interview-a7079706.html

OneOfThem Stumbled

So the actress cut open Arya, stitched up her gut, and closed her all up, and stuck her on an antibiotic IV? Pretty impressive, I must say.

Less impressive was Arya's behaviour last episode really being the product of stupidity. And if her intention was to get out of Bravos, seeing that she had arranged transportation and had the money to pay for it, why didn't she just get on the ship the next morning? Why wasn't the actress a little bit more concerned about the Faceless Men being after her? I mean the Faceless men are feared in Westeros: Bravos is the home of them! People in the streets ran when they simply saw Jaqen in his black man outfit! Were I her I'd have been out of Bravos like a shot. Gah. Otherwise the Arya stuff was good - at least we are rid of the whole "slap Arya around, cut off faces, ask Arya who she is" sub-plot.

I had high hopes for the River lands. Have I learned nothing? Do the Tullys do anything other than disappoint, ever? I loved that the men had divided loyalty, but it was all so simple. If as much time was given as "how to teach an unsullied how to tell jokes" it may have felt satisfactory.

Brienne: Come with me Blackfish and you can fight a battle! For the Starks! Don't worry about the distance, we have a teleporter.
Blackfish: Nah, think I'll step through my magic door instead. I may be alive, I may be dead. I might turn up again in two seasons' time for five minutes!

Why would Edmure care so much for a son whom he has never seen? Who only exists to cement the Frey's hold on Riverrun?

Do anybody take the unsullied seriously any more? They can't fight anyone and have no tactical knowledge. They allow ships to sail right into the harbour and start bombarding the city at point blank range. They first of all allow the navy to be wiped out, then they seem to have no knowledge that siege defences are necessary. Grey Worm's final stroke of genius is to surrender the city and hold up in a temple without food or water. Oh unsullied.. wasn't it embarrassing enough when you were defeated by unarmoured, untrained masters wearing masks? Weren't a contingent of unsullied supposed to have held off an army of Dorthraki once? Were these Tully Dothraki by any chance?

Jamie, Hound scenes were good. Glad that the Brotherhood are still the good guys. Cersei scenes were oddly superfluous. Oh look, it's Daenerys.

J. Marston

Seen a bit of complaining online about characters dying off-screen in this episode. Fair enough about Blackfish, I suppose you can rightly complain about that although Clive Russsell's explanation stands up.

Don't get the Waif criticism though, they were fighting in the dark. Showing that on-screen would've been silly and the reveal of her butchered face was about the only good thing that came out of Arya's story in that episode.

EagererBeaver

Links234 wrote: »

I know we shouldn't put the writers on a pedalstool

Johnny Storm

Cool Blue Oyster Cult reference - the waif: "On your feet, or on your knees" ? :pac:

Vojera

I'm a bit disappointed overall.

I'm annoyed that yes, apparently Arya actually was just stupid enough to prance around Bravos without a care for her own safety. I've enjoyed the idea of the Faceless Men but it hasn't been executed too well of late. I'll be happy to see her move on.

The Meereenese Comedy Club made me cringe a little. It really felt to me that the writers were going "Tyrion's meant to be funny, how can we shoehorn that in?" I'm going to miss Varys from those scenes big time.

I've heard that Cersei was discussing

stuff that's probably too spoilery to leave here

with Qyburn. Dunno how true that is, I'm not a book reader. I think it's significant that she is still wearing her mourning clothes and now her only surviving child has turned against her. Her mental state is not in a good place.

Billy86

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

That was pretty meh. Arya scenes Terminatoresque

The acting (more likely direction) of the actress in that scene was 100% definitely inspired by the T-1000 in Terminator 2.

It was awesome in Terminator. It was one of the single most cringeworthy things in the entirety of GOT though. Terribly ill fitted and made no sense in terms of how they (the assassins) typically operate.

Billy86

muddypaws wrote: »

Enjoyed the episode, but maybe having read so much in here last week, was hoping for something much, much more from Arya, would have liked at least one of the boards theories to have come true.

Blackfish storyline, complete damp squib. My foolish female heart did break a tiny bit with Jaime and Brienne, sometimes no words are needed.

You know what really annoyed me about the Blackfish? They missed some potentially cool scenes according to book readers in terms of how he took the castle, and the look/demeanour/actor were great. If they had shown him doing that sometime in season 4 or early in 5, and just tipped gently back every once in a while, that could have been a pretty epic ending to his story. Instead we get "EVERYBODY MEET THE BLACKF-- oh no wait, he's dead. Anyway, moving on..."

lbj666

I dunno, i enjoyed the Riverrun bit. The Edmure bit was a good twist but they should have planted some stuff more under our nose hinting it, such as mentioning Eds son before this episode, It was a card Jamie/Freys had that we should have known about.

I think the main point of the Riverrun story is really about Jamie and him developing into a proper tactical commander that his Dad wanted him to be, the show is definitely hinting about Jamie becoming a "a good guy" ( sorry i know theres no such thing in this but you know what i mean) but we are not there yet. Perhaps Cersei going totally bat**** crazy now will finally swing him.

The ending to Aryas current story was far too linear for my liking, but i suppose the theorys were a bit lame anyway.

I'd say Cleganebowl was a theory the show writers were delighted to see grow legs because the outlawing the trial by combat came as a good surprise.

I agree Mereen was done terribly

sky88

3rd poor episode in a row.

after a great start the season has really lost its steam.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Pretty sh1tty episode I think.

Every, bloody week. It's incredibly boring reading this tripe after every episode.

That and

"that stab wound would/wouldn't kill you" bla bla bla...

alchemist33

Mr.S wrote: »

Meh episode, obviously just a development episode to set things up but some parts where really poor:

Arya vs terminator - mostly how she was at the point of death in the last episode and then was able to run through the streets. I suppose heroin does wonders.

Though, glad she's finally on the move. Her story line was my least favourite.

Daenerys return was ****. The masters are attacking with ships and she's flying over with a big **** off dragon? At least burn a few!

She wants those ships

mrbloop

Averie Moldy Packaging wrote: »

Every, bloody week. It's incredibly boring reading this tripe after every episode.

That and

"that stab wound would/wouldn't kill you" bla bla bla...

Agreed. The fun is going out of reading these threads. The constant whinging about one thing or another is tiresome.
They should have done this, or they should have done that. That bit was too long, the other bit was too short..... whine whine whine..

seligehgit

Continuing to have a love affair with all things Game of Thrones,I thought much of the dialogue was really sharp.The Hound and the Brotherhood without Banners Thoros of Myr and Beric Dondarrion,Jamie and Edmure,Tyrion’s two scenes …Could somebody advise as to what secret mission Varys was leaving to carry out?

Great to have the Hound back,no trial by combat with his monster brother the Mountain.:( Nice twist when all expected same.The unspoken of and equally unlikely love affair that is Jamie and Brienne.To echo previous posters Blackfish’s demise was a damp squib,so much the better if he died in battle fighting for Sansa in the north.The raising of the white flag was hard to credit after all his bluster last week irrespective of Jaime's powers of peruasion/coercion throwing a son Edmure did not know of into the pot.

So what’s this rumour Qyburn and Cersei spoke of?

TBH I loved the whole faceless men story with all it’s mind boggling confusion and intricacy.The fan theories were much more impressive than how it predictably ended up.Well telegraphed that our sexy badass waif would be killed by needle in same location.Dialogue with Jaqen H’aghar at the climax was great.I tend to suspend my belief when it comes to the curing properties of opium..milk of poppy and ignore the fact that it is an analgesic as opposed to a treatment for infections.Ditto I ignore the lack of nursing qualifications Lady Crane has.:)

Enjoyed the waif hunting her down like a T 800 irrespective of the fact that it was not the modus operandi of these invisible assassins.Cared less that Arya could have jumped on the ship earlier and excercised less than the required due care to prevent an expected attack.

Mereen/Daenrys is still the most disappointing storyline out of an epic that gives so much.Hurry up back to Westeros!

seligehgit

mrbloop wrote: »

Agreed. The fun is going out of reading these threads. The constant whinging about one thing or another is tiresome.
They should have done this, or they should have done that. That bit was too long, the other bit was too short..... whine whine whine..

Don't get it at all,great show with the varying storylines starting to come together for an expectant audience looking forward to an epic climax.

Links234

seligehgit wrote: »

…Could somebody advise as to what secret mission Varys was leaving to carry out?

My guess is he's heard rumour of a certain absconded Ironborn fleet in Volantis and that's whom he was off to meet with.

A Primal Nut

I enjoyed the episode but I hope that's the end of the faceless man storyline. Actually in some ways I don't because we were never given a reason to care about that storyline and I'm disappointed that moment of realisation never came. Game Of Thrones is full all of all these storylines that interwine and all have them have meaning in the larger context....except this one. It was a waste of time and the ending with the terminator rip-off was out of place for the show.

It's a pity because before all this Arya was my favorite character, back when she had her kill list and before she tried to join the faceless men.

I liked the Daenerys return and it's interesting that I now have sympathy for Cersei, a character I used to hate.

Wonder will Brienne kill Jaime with his own sword at some point in the future? Maybe the Lannister army will be sent to help defend Winterfell when it's attacked.