Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

20Cent · 13-06-2016 09:44PM

Michah wrote: »

That's how polling works.

Sample size doesn't much depend on the population size, which is counter intuitive to many. Most polling companies use 400 or 1000 people in their samples.

There is a reason for this:

A sample size of 400 will give you a confidence interval of +/-5% 19 times out of 20 (95%)

A sample size of 1000 will give you a confidence interval of +/-3% 19 times out of 20 (95%)

How does polling work when people know the "wrong" answer would land them in jail? That's if they are lucky.

Superhorse · 13-06-2016 09:52PM

Cienciano wrote: »

I read the links. If that is your answer to the question to "What threat do we face in Ireland?" Answer this:
What do you think irish security forces and the Gardai should do on the basis of the results of the Al Jazira online poll you posted? What laws have irish people broken? What ideas have you done to make Ireland safer?

Haha what ideas have I done? I'm not in government or in charge of the security of the state. It's Al Jazeera btw

AbusesToilets · 13-06-2016 09:58PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Trump and 99% of his Americunt supporters wouldn't have the balls to use their guns if the 'evil government' ever came to take them away.

A nation of useful idiots that aren't even all that useful.

If you're going for meaningless, sweeping statements, you've done well with that one.

Superhorse · 13-06-2016 09:59PM

LightsStillOn wrote: »

Ireland's population is growing, full stop. We had the highest birth rate level in Europe last year. It's not an inherently Muslim thing that's happening, so don't worry. They won't be taking over anytime soon. They are just following the trend over here, fitting it with the culture you might say

And with the day that's in it, we might even have a few Irish Muslim football players by the time the 2032 Euros kick off!

Just no Irish/Muslim women allowed in sport here. Hey they might even get the gay marriage vote over turned with their forward thinking culture.

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 10:02PM

Superhorse wrote: »

Just no Irish/Muslim women allowed in sport here. Hey they might even get the gay marriage vote over turned with their forward thinking culture.

So they will bring us back to the 1950s.

Some people would like that.

AbusesToilets · 13-06-2016 10:03PM

Yggr of Asgard wrote: »

I disagree, his father also carries blame and it should be looked at deporting him. Let him go back to his native country where he thinks he should be in charge anyhow.

Plus seriously, I can only hope that some part of law enforcement is getting their asses kicked for allowing this to happen, the latest reports clearly show that once again the FBI has proven to be an organization not fit to protect citizens. The SAC of the local field office should never be seen again.

It's extremely difficult to predict these sorts of attacks. The FBI's investigation of the shooter didn't find any actionable evidence to prosecute him. What is their recourse at that stage?

stoplooklisten · 13-06-2016 10:03PM

smash wrote: »

I don't even think Hitler's been mentioned yet! :eek:

Euronews have just compared it to the holocaust.

Hande hoche! · 13-06-2016 10:04PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Trump and 99% of his Americunt supporters wouldn't have the balls to use their guns if the 'evil government' ever came to take them away.

A nation of useful idiots that aren't even all that useful.

Still would end up with a good few hundred Waco like situations.

Cienciano · 13-06-2016 10:05PM

Superhorse wrote: »

Haha what ideas have I done? I'm not in government or in charge of the security of the state. It's Al Jazeera btw

So, no answers, you have no stats to back up your argument, no crimes committed, you don't know what to do, and can't say how Ireland is in danger.
Sounds to me like you're talking shíte.

LightsStillOn · 13-06-2016 10:05PM

Superhorse wrote: »

Just no Irish/Muslim women allowed in sport here. Hey they might even get the gay marriage vote over turned with their forward thinking culture.

No Irish Muslim women allowed in sport?

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/hijabs-and-hat-tricks-muslim-women-lead-the-field-1.2479670

Saipanne · 13-06-2016 10:05PM

Superhorse wrote: »

Trump speaking more sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFIVXkJWzfA

Very presidential.

He will win. Every attack gets him closer.

Matt Markinson · 13-06-2016 10:06PM

Has anyone figured out a way of blaming this on the jeeeeews yet ?

13-06-2016 10:10PM

Michah wrote: »

Ireland's Muslim population is forecast to treble from 2010 to 2030. That's according to a Pew Research study: The future of the global Muslim population. They estimate there were 43,000 Muslims in Ireland in 2010 and that there will be 125,000 by 2030.

Somebody please think of the children!

Sand · 13-06-2016 10:12PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Are you telling me polls are never wrong?

I am not saying this is or isn't.

I am saying I have seen too many waaaay off the mark polls to trust them.

I also don't know the science as I never bothered to learn it so my saying it seems like a small sample to me was quite genuine.

I'm saying Islam is a regressive belief system, and people who take on that belief system are going to have regressive views. That's logical on its own merits, and the poll bears it out. I don't know why you find it hard to acknowledge that Muslims have 7th century views when they are based on a 7th century text which is fanatically maintained against any external influence.

What I have an issue with is how these debates go in circles. A presents a position. B challenges A to present some evidence to support that position. A provides the required evidence.

B retorts ' Yeah, well, you know, that's just like... your opinion man'. Rinse, repeat.

Its very Trumpesque to completely dismiss a properly researched and resourced report as if statistical analysis is itself biased or invalid. I'm guessing you probably didn't bother to learn the science behind climate change. Do you not accept that either?

acier · 13-06-2016 10:15PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Has it been confirmed he was radicalized?

Last I heard there was some doubt.

When you say 'He is the only person who should be blamed' does that mean no fault lies with his religion?

A homophobe murdered people in a gay club.

A homophobe.

Can we all agree on that?

Correct, now what made him homophobic?

My name is URL · 13-06-2016 10:16PM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

If you're going for meaningless, sweeping statements, you've done well with that one.

Thanks, I think so

When's the last time there's been a pushback against freedom in the US in which whatever militia there supposedly exists has fought back and had support of the populace?

Freedom of press, speech, and association have all diminished over the last 10 years or so... where's the fight-back from those who think they need guns to avert such encroachments? Guns don't seem to be helping there.

unseenfootage · 13-06-2016 10:18PM

acier wrote: »

Correct, now what made him homophobic?

America.

Dyr · 13-06-2016 10:22PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Thanks, I think so

When's the last time there's been a pushback against freedom in the US in which whatever militia there supposedly exists has fought back and had support of the populace?

Freedom of press, speech, and association have all diminished over the last 10 years or so... where's the fight-back from those who think they need guns to avert such encroachments? Guns don't seem to be helping there.

The whole limit on government, unorganized militia is just what these lads hide behind.

They like all the guns, they want all the guns and they don't give a **** if that means you have massacres on a regular basis.

That's fine, thats America, the horse has bolted, locking the gate at this stage is dubious. Its the lack of honesty that makes me laugh.

aloyisious · 13-06-2016 10:22PM

Getting away from the debate about poor gun control laws (laws whereby a weapon can be bought without any real check on whether the would-be purchaser is a fit person to possess a weapon and ammunition) and the effects of strict religious educated conformity on children and young adults (God doesn't approve of Joe (even though God created Joe) therefore you mustn't like Joe), 48 of the 49 murdered people have been identified.

It's a minor detail but one worth keeping in mind, the 50th person who died was the murderer himself. There are a lot of the victims families and friends tuning into the social media for information and saying there were 50 victim can be misleading and hurtful to them. I found out earlier tonight at the Dublin memorial event that at least one of the murdered victims was known to a person there.

The murderer also left his family, plus two ex-wives and one son, behind having to face what he did.

AbusesToilets · 13-06-2016 10:23PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Thanks, I think so

When's the last time there's been a pushback against freedom in the US in which whatever militia there supposedly exists has fought back and had support of the populace?

Freedom of press, speech, and association have all diminished over the last 10 years or so... where's the fight-back from those who think they need guns to avert such encroachments? Guns don't seem to be helping there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29

There's one for you.

AbusesToilets · 13-06-2016 10:25PM

Bambi wrote: »

The whole limit on government, unorganized militia is just what these lads hide behind.

They like all the guns, they want all the guns and they don't give a **** if that means you have massacres on a regular basis.

That's fine, thats America, the horse has bolted, locking the gate at this stage is dubious. Its the lack of honesty that makes me laugh.

Who's hiding? Likeing guns and shooting pursuits doesn't make the reasons for the existence of the 2nd Amendment any less valid.

Hande hoche! · 13-06-2016 10:29PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Thanks, I think so

When's the last time there's been a pushback against freedom in the US in which whatever militia there supposedly exists has fought back and had support of the populace?

Freedom of press, speech, and association have all diminished over the last 10 years or so... where's the fight-back from those who think they need guns to avert such encroachments? Guns don't seem to be helping there.

That strange rancher guy?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 13-06-2016 10:35PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

America.

America is one of the most tolerant countries towards homosexuals on the planet.

RDM_83 again · 13-06-2016 10:38PM

Sand wrote: »

I'm saying Islam is a regressive belief system, and people who take on that belief system are going to have regressive views. That's logical on its own merits, and the poll bears it out. I don't know why you find it hard to acknowledge that Muslims have 7th century views when they are based on a 7th century text which is fanatically maintained against any external influence.

Is the fact that Islam may or may not be a regressive belief system actually the most important issue we are facing, isn't the issue more related to the fact that even if Christianity is "as bad" ( and I don't think it is there is some pretty major differences), the problem is related to some strands of Muslim communities in the West and in countries with majority Islamic populations that they are moving from a situation which was at least slightly secular and tolerant towards a place where 2nd generation immigrants are more radical than their parents and in some countries a scene like this can't occur 50 years later.

I don't think that every Muslim is a terrorist or is inherently backwards, I know they aren't (I do think there is a culture clash but if somebody of their own volition wants to be modest and follow strictly their beliefs thats fine by me).
Its the fact that on this thread we have posters that have no problem blaming nearly everything on the Catholic Church and have done so for the last decade that I have used Boards, are turning around and trying to paint a situation where a person with extremely obvious motivations and background (hell he stated them) is a problem with Christianity and mainstream USA culture.

I referenced the Soho nail bombing earlier, would those posters be pointing at other influences when it was a white right wing male committing the atrocity, I doubt it.

WoolyJumper · 13-06-2016 10:41PM

A little bit about the victims of this terrorist/homophobic attack. Becomes even more sobering to put a face to the victims.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniemcneal/orlando-shooting-victims?utm_term=.usrY4xwBy#.xfb143aqD

unseenfootage · 13-06-2016 10:42PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

America is one of the most tolerant countries towards homosexuals on the planet.

Not so sure about that.

A lot of republicans are homophobic.
Evangelicals are so homophobic they even export it to other countries, like Uganda.
Transgender toilet and marriage equality issues are deeply divisive.
Blood donations from homosexual men in many cities including Orlandois still banned.
LGBT people are still harassed on the streets.

Michah · 13-06-2016 10:48PM

LightsStillOn wrote: »

Ireland's population is growing, full stop. We had the highest birth rate level in Europe last year. It's not an inherently Muslim thing that's happening, so don't worry. They won't be taking over anytime soon. They are just following the trend over here, fitting it with the culture you might say

The native birth rate here is below replacement level(2.1). We have seen throughout Europe the huge problems that countries are having with their rising Muslim population. Do you think it will be different here? If so, why?

Kiwi in IE · 13-06-2016 10:54PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

America is one of the most tolerant countries towards homosexuals on the planet.

Yes, people should be so grateful when others are 'tolerant' toward them on the basis of their sexuality, which is none of anyone else's business and doesn't have the slightest impact anyone else.

Call Me Jimmy · 13-06-2016 10:59PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Yes, people should be so grateful when others are 'tolerant' toward them on the basis of their sexuality, which is none of anyone else's business and doesn't have the slightest impact anyone else.

It's hard to delve into past lives and rearrange the evolution of human societies and cultures but we're workin on it!

Itssoeasy · 13-06-2016 11:11PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/06/13/florida-catholic-bishop-it-is-religion-including-our-own-that-targets-lgbt-people/

I found this from the washington post interesting. It wasn't because of what was said, but because of who wrote the article. I mean it's not the so called party line of the catholic church.

Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

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