Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

stoplooklisten · 13-06-2016 07:33PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The only one I am coming close to being 'mean' to is Robert KK. That is because I remember Robert from the marriage equality debate when Robert was so 'mean' some posters (not myself) queried if the KK stood for something Klan related.

Robert's sudden support is suspicious - especially when it is invariably framed in a 'Muslims are baaad m'kay' subtext.

Leopards/spots.

Besides - haven't you heard this isn't about LGBTQI people? The sexual orientation of the victims is apparently so secondary as to be meaningless.

right so this tragedy is being used as a personal point scoring effort. Faux indeed

Gatling · 13-06-2016 07:33PM

Superhorse wrote: »

The 2011 census said we had 49k Muslims living in Ireland. I'd say that's nearer 65k at a guess now considering the speed they reproduce at.
And you think we aren't in danger :eek:

Dude just stop your talking nonsense

Barry Badrinath · 13-06-2016 07:36PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The only one I am coming close to being 'mean' to is Robert KK. That is because I remember Robert from the marriage equality debate when Robert was so 'mean' some posters (not myself) queried if the KK stood for something Klan related.

Robert's sudden support is suspicious - especially when it is invariably framed in a 'Muslims are baaad m'kay' subtext.

Leopards/spots.

Besides - haven't you heard this isn't about LGBTQI people? The sexual orientation of the victims is apparently so secondary as to be meaningless.

RobertKK has made some good points on this thread.

All I have seen you do is have a go at him because of his past posts in a different thread. Grow up, accept that people have the capacity to change and show empathy.

This is not about you. You are completely turning this thread into a personal soapbox with your snide and sarcastic remarks, especially against people who are genuine on this thread.

Tbh, you are eating away at my respect for the LGBT community on here.

Lyaiera · 13-06-2016 07:39PM

Any news on the guy planning the other attack? With the car full of weapons and explosives.

LightsStillOn · 13-06-2016 07:40PM

Superhorse wrote: »

The 2011 census said we had 49k Muslims living in Ireland. I'd say that's nearer 65k at a guess now considering the speed they reproduce at.

What an absolutely idiotic comment

stoplooklisten · 13-06-2016 07:40PM

he was kicked out of school for excessive jubilation over 9/11

Annasopra · 13-06-2016 07:41PM

Ah yeah so we should just all forget about the homopohobic abuse on here that male paedophiles were going to marry each other so they could abuse children.

Nah you're alright thanks.

I won't forget it. And Bannasidhe is right not too either.

20Cent · 13-06-2016 07:41PM

Superhorse wrote: »

The 2011 census said we had 49k Muslims living in Ireland. I'd say that's nearer 65k at a guess now considering the speed they reproduce at. A recent Al Jazerra poll stated 81% of Muslims supported ISIS.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/25/shock-poll-81-of-al-jazeera-arabic-poll-respondents-support-isis/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/580221/Islamic-State-support-Arab-world-poll-finds

And you think we aren't in danger :eek:

An online survey!
Comon.

RobertKK · 13-06-2016 07:42PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I've never been an advocate of the enemy of my enemy is my friend tbh.

No. I am not 'in this' with rabid right wingers or extremists of other religions.

I am equally agin them.

Are you saying you would not be against 'rabid right wingers' for example being attacked?
In this together for me means, against all attacks on innocent people. I may not like Nigel Farage but I don't want to see him attacked.

Cienciano wrote: »

Explain how we're in danger here, and what should be done. Enough scaremongering and some solutions or ideas. And some stats to prove we're in danger.

For starters ISIS had Ireland as one of the countries on it's hate list. You just need one radicalised person to create carnage, it doesn't have to be a muslim extremist.
Do you think Oslo expected to be attacked by one of their own citizens? The same for Brussels and Paris.
The migrant crisis has been used to get Jihadi fighters into Europe. These people are patient and will wait.
Ireland has facilitated the US in bombing Middle Eastern countries, which would make Dublin a potential target.
The Clonskeagh mosque has extremist elements to it.
I will live my life as normal but it would be blind to think Ireland will not be attacked or could not be attacked.
No one expected Orlando to be attacked.

smash · 13-06-2016 07:43PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

Any news on the guy planning the other attack? With the car full of weapons and explosives.

He was arrested so the attack didn't happen

Cienciano · 13-06-2016 07:43PM

Superhorse wrote: »

The 2011 census said we had 49k Muslims living in Ireland. I'd say that's nearer 65k at a guess now considering the speed they reproduce at. A recent Al Jazerra poll stated 81% of Muslims supported ISIS.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/25/shock-poll-81-of-al-jazeera-arabic-poll-respondents-support-isis/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/580221/Islamic-State-support-Arab-world-poll-finds

And you think we aren't in danger :eek:

How are we in danger? What laws have irish people broken? What ideas have you done to make Ireland safer? Give me an example of how we're in danger?

Barry Badrinath · 13-06-2016 07:47PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Ah yeah so we should just all forget about the homopohobic abuse on here that male paedophiles were going to marry each other so they could abuse children.

Nah you're alright thanks.

I won't forget it. And Bannasidhe is right not too either.

No, don't forget it but keep your prior hatred from a previous thread out of this one.

It's not what this thread is about.

I want to hear your opinion, your views, your counter debate and your concerns. How is that meant to happen when you are harbouring **** from the past and bringing it into this thread.

What do you want to achieve from this thread? focus on that.

WoolyJumper · 13-06-2016 07:47PM

Sand wrote: »

Is there some version of Islam which doesn't wish death upon homosexuals? Even the father of the killers 'moderate' position was that homosexuals should be punished by God, not people, and he referred to homosexuals by using a derogatory term. There's different accents of Islamic belief, but they're all extremely regressive and intolerant.

Yeah, much like in Christianity it comes down to the individual. But there are muslims that not only don't wish death upon homosexuals but embrace there homosexual brothers/sisters. There are even Imams that marry homosexual couples. My gay muslim ex certainly didn't have a problem with homosexuality

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 07:48PM

Sand wrote: »

Is there some version of Islam which doesn't wish death upon homosexuals? Even the father of the killers 'moderate' position was that homosexuals should be punished by God, not people, and he referred to homosexuals by using a derogatory term. There's different accents of Islamic belief, but they're all extremely regressive and intolerant.

It just puzzles me that people rightfully criticise Christianity for its intolerance, but are overly concerned that people who believe in Islam might be mistaken as being intolerant. They are one and the same.

Is there some version of the Bible where Leviticus says nice things about homosexuality?
No.

Are their Christians who have no issue with homosexuality regardless of what their holy book says? Yes.

Same with Muslims.

The Muslim Ottoman Empire decriminalized homosexuality in 1858. When Turkey came into existence in 1920 it retained this. Compare this with Ireland...
There are currently 5 Muslim countries where homosexuality is legal. They all have the fact that they were never British colonies in common.
In non-Muslim former British colonies such as India, Barbados, Jamaica, Trinidad homosexuality is illegal.

Here is a whole website for and by Muslims who are more liberal than many posting here. http://www.mpvusa.org/lgbtqi-resources/

I am not going to argue against religions being essentially one and the same. Quite the opposite - I have said so many times in this very tread.

But... seems like some people take exception to my saying Christianity is inherently anti-homosexual (it's in the fecking Bible!) and are trying to claim this makes me pro-Islam.

Such utter nonsense.

I think it's all woo. Far too often it's hate filled dangerous woo.

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 07:51PM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

right so this tragedy is being used as a personal point scoring effort. Faux indeed

Said he trying to score a personal point.

My name is URL · 13-06-2016 07:52PM

Superhorse wrote: »

The 2011 census said we had 49k Muslims living in Ireland. I'd say that's nearer 65k at a guess now considering the speed they reproduce at.

And you think we aren't in danger :eek:

I've never felt in any particular danger from muslims here. Have you, honestly?

There's an Iranian born orthopedic surgeon living a few doors away from me. Should I be worried? If he and his wife have kids should they be considered a potential terrorist cell?

I'd be more worried about the amount of Irish born, trained and taught doctors, nurses and surgeons that emigrate every year tbh.

I'd love to see your face if ever you find yourself in a situation where the only professional help available to you happens to be brown and/or muslim.

I'm sure you'll stand by your laurels and tell them where to go then /s

You and your ilk want severe and over-reaching controls on people coming here. Are any of you prepared for the controls and restrictions that would be put on you in order to ensure it could work?

Lyaiera · 13-06-2016 07:52PM

smash wrote: »

He was arrested so the attack didn't happen

Yes. And I have seen his mug shot, after he was arrested. I was wondering if there was any other news about the other terrorist attack plotted against LGBT people during pride festivals in the US.

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 07:57PM

McGruber wrote: »

RobertKK has made some good points on this thread.

All I have seen you do is have a go at him because of his past posts in a different thread. Grow up, accept that people have the capacity to change and show empathy.

This is not about you. You are completely turning this thread into a personal soapbox with your snide and sarcastic remarks, especially against people who are genuine on this thread.

Tbh, you are eating away at my respect for the LGBT community on here.

If you have an issue with my posts report me.
I am sure Robert is genuine in his fear of Islam - his support for the LGBTQI community less.

And if your 'respect' for the LGBT community can be destroyed by one anonymous person on the internet it must be a fragile form of respect indeed.

Now can you take your own advice and 'grow up' and maybe add something to the discussion?

Attacking me, as much as the attention is faaabuuulouussss, isn't really on topic.

RobertKK · 13-06-2016 08:03PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Ah yeah so we should just all forget about the homopohobic abuse on here that male paedophiles were going to marry each other so they could abuse children.

Nah you're alright thanks.

I won't forget it. And Bannasidhe is right not too either.

It happened in the UK and Australia.
In the UK the social worker feared she would be viewed as homophobic when the two men were simply paedophiles not homosexual, so did nothing which allowed the abuse to happen longer than it should.
In Australia, the two child abusers had bought a child off a Russian woman, pretended they were gay and wanted same sex marriage, the media did a piece on them and how they should be allowed to marry. The American authorities discovered they were taking their child around the world for other paedophiles to abuse and they were not gay.
Even the police in Australia said they pretended to be gay as a cover.
No you shouldn't forget it, when paedophiles are abusing the gay population by taking advantage, let it be clear the real homophobes are those paedophiles who don't care about you, and who just want to use gay people knowing most people don't want to do anything that might be seen as homophobic.
I got called homophobic for posting actual cases. I am sorry it offended you and others. I posted actual cases then and now, if what happened elsewhere happens here it will not be the fault of gay people, but paedophiles who are evil and will use anyone to get what they want.
You can call me homophobic for caring if you want, maybe in your world everything is a bed of roses and no one would want to take advantage of gay people.

unseenfootage · 13-06-2016 08:03PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

Any news on the guy planning the other attack? With the car full of weapons and explosives.

Are you talking about the White Christian guy who is mentally unstable?

stoplooklisten · 13-06-2016 08:09PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Are you talking about the White Christian guy who is mentally unstable?

I think they're asking about the white, christian, bisexual guy who is mentally unstable

Manic Moran · 13-06-2016 08:14PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

Any news on the guy planning the other attack? With the car full of weapons and explosives.

Apparently the initial announcement was slightly wrong, and the police have added a correction.

When he said he was going to the gay pride festival, it was interpreted that he was going to attack it.

It would seem that Mr Howell is a bisexual who may have been planning to -attend- the festival, not attack it. The nature of the firearms and explosives has not actually been made clear and may have been legitimate.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html

Grayson · 13-06-2016 08:17PM

Superhorse wrote: »

The 2011 census said we had 49k Muslims living in Ireland. I'd say that's nearer 65k at a guess now considering the speed they reproduce at. A recent Al Jazerra poll stated 81% of Muslims supported ISIS.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/25/shock-poll-81-of-al-jazeera-arabic-poll-respondents-support-isis/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/580221/Islamic-State-support-Arab-world-poll-finds

And you think we aren't in danger :eek:

That was an online poll. Have you seen online polls that were accurate? It's widely known that they aren't. Remember when Roy Keane was going to be time magazines man of the century because of an online poll? Online polls are bollox. I wouldn't be surprised if ISIS created a bot to auto respond to it.

Here is a more accurate survey done by proper researchers.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/

stoplooklisten · 13-06-2016 08:17PM

disney world may also have been scoped out as a target

http://www.wsj.com/articles/orlando-shooter-visited-saudi-arabia-twice-on-pilgrimage-1465828337

13-06-2016 08:18PM

Trump

People cannot, they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the way he acts and can’t even mention the words “radical Islamic terrorism.” There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable. There’s something going on.

Wtf, is he implicating Obama!

He really is appealing to the dimmest guy on the block.

Michah · 13-06-2016 08:19PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

Yes. And I have seen his mug shot, after he was arrested. I was wondering if there was any other news about the other terrorist attack plotted against LGBT people during pride festivals in the US.

Not linked to the terrorist attack apparently.

A tipster called police early Sunday morning about a prowler and found the suspect nearby. The suspect was arrested around 5 a.m. local time.

Police said they "were not aware of what the suspect’s intentions were at this point.” A friend told The Times that Howell did have negative opinions against gay people.

The incident is not thought to be connected to Sunday’s shooting at a gay nightclub in Orlando.

RobertKK · 13-06-2016 08:22PM

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Trump

Wtf, is he implicating Obama!

He really is appealing to the dimmest guy on the block.

I thought Obama did ok earlier on, but it would have been nice for once to say what most other people are saying including other members of his party, who say it was radical Islamic extremism.

It is getting puzzling why he seems unable to say it.

drunkmonkey · 13-06-2016 08:23PM

smash wrote: »

Bar a video of an ISIS paddy's day parade, I think we'll have to take the media's word for it.

Paddys Day crossed my mind earlier, If the LGBTQ2I are now a genuine target, the question does need to be asked if it's safe to allow them to parade on Paddys Day, I don't know of any other group that parades based solely on who they like to sleep with and if it's infuriating one of the biggest religions in the world then maybe it's time it was reviewed.
It's a family day, sexual preference shouldn't play any part in it. I wonder will New York be as welcoming this year if their bringing a threat of terror with them?

Michah · 13-06-2016 08:23PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Straightsplaining - the theme of the day.

You're spending too much time on Tumblr.

Moo Moo Land · 13-06-2016 08:26PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Paddys Day crossed my mind earlier, If the LGBTQ2I are now a genuine target, the question does need to be asked if it's safe to allow them to parade on Paddys Day, I don't know of any other group that parades based solely on who they like to sleep with and if it's infuriating one of the biggest religions in the world then maybe it's time it was reviewed.
It's a family day, sexual preference shouldn't play any part in it. I wonder will New York be as welcoming this year if their bringing a threat of terror with them?

Hmmmm. And let the "infuriated" terrorists win?

Why don't we leave it up to the LGBT folks whether they want to parade or not.

Failing that, let's get some advice from the good people at Iona. They've been quiet since May 2015 (perhaps busy saving children from the LGBT community)

Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

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