Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

wakka12 · 13-06-2016 06:19PM

Mr Mateen had said his son should not have carried out the attack as "God himself will punish those involved in homosexuality".
Really touching sentiment from the father of the killer, sure the families of the victims loved hearing this in the mans 'apology' video.

My name is URL · 13-06-2016 06:24PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Mr Mateen had said his son should not have carried out the attack as "God himself will punish those involved in homosexuality".
Really touching sentiment from the father of the killer, sure the families of the victims loved hearing this in the mans 'apology' video.

The father, if I've been reading stuff correctly; believes himself to be the legitimate ruler of Afghanistan

The man is certifiably insane.

And why is he making an 'apology' video in the first place anyway? He didn't kill anyone

That's half the problem nowadays. Everyone is expected to apologise to everyone else, on the behalf of everyone else.

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 06:26PM

Yggr of Asgard wrote: »

Welcome to the club... However I can go through life with that label.

I've been called worse.

wakka12 · 13-06-2016 06:28PM

My name is URL wrote: »

The father, if I've been reading stuff correctly; believes himself to be the legitimate ruler of Afghanistan

The man is certifiably insane.

And why is he making an 'apology' video in the first place anyway? He didn't kill anyone

That's half the problem nowadays. Everyone is expected to apologise to everyone else, on the behalf of everyone else.

I think its perfectly reasonable to say sorry to the victims and their families on behalf of your childs actions. I would do it if my child were commit the same atrocity. It shows that you don't condone their actions just because theyre your child.

Saipanne · 13-06-2016 06:28PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I keep saying that but apparently this makes me anti-Christian/ an apologist for the murderer/ embracer of Islam/ Niaf/blinkered etc etc etc.

And for daring to criticise Islam one is often labeled a racist. Racist against an idea. Go figure.

Matt Markinson · 13-06-2016 06:32PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Because it doesn't at all fit in with the evil whitey demonisation agenda. I could feel the collective sigh of extreme disappointment emitting from the self hating PC crowd when it was revealed to be a Muslim nutter expressing his religion, it was soooo disappointing for them. Not to worry though, they pulled themselves together and still managed to blame whitey in a roundabout way.

It's a funny old world. It proves all extremists and haters are much the same. From Islamic, to Gay to Christian, to Atheist, to Irish terrorists, to Loyalist terrorists, all extremists invent excuses to justify their own hypocritical hatred and make as many false claims as possible while hiding behind the nearest "cause". Over 50 innocent people are murdered by a hater, and his fellow haters with 1001 other agendas are out to blame everyone and everything but the shooter.

Jimmy Garlic · 13-06-2016 06:33PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I think its perfectly reasonable to say sorry to the victims and their families on behalf of your childs actions. I would do it if my child were commit the same atrocity. It shows that you don't condone their actions just because theyre your child.

His ''apology'' was a bogus as his religion. The lunatic should have kept his mouth shut.

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 06:40PM

Saipanne wrote: »

And for daring to criticise Islam one is often labeled a racist. Racist against an idea. Go figure.

Well that's just silly.
Islam isn't a race so it's not possible to be racist against it.
Or any other idea for that matter.

Most of the criticism I have seen is guilty of sloppy thinking and complete ignorance about the Islamic world -Little things like FGM and wearing the jihab are cultural not specifically Islamic. Or how women are universally oppressed yet Pakistan has more female generals than Ireland and has actually had a female head of state. Or the fact that there are different denominations and they don't get on terribly well...

I have no issue with people criticizing Islam as long as they get their facts right and don't act likes it's one homogeneous hive mind.

wakka12 · 13-06-2016 06:40PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

His ''apology'' was a bogus as his religion. The lunatic should have kept his mouth shut.

Yeh I really think he added insult to injury(pardon the pun..) there with his comments. IF allah didnt punish gay people after death and it was up to people on earth to 'punish' gays would that make his son's actions more justifiable in his view? Seems like it. like father like son I suppose

Annasopra · 13-06-2016 06:43PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Well that's just silly.
Islam isn't a race so it's not possible to be racist against it.
Or any other idea for that matter.

Most of the criticism I have seen is guilty of sloppy thinking and complete ignorance about the Islamic world -Little things like FGM and wearing the jihab are cultural not specifically Islamic. Or how women are universally oppressed yet Pakistan has more female generals than Ireland and has actually had a female head of state. Or the fact that there are different denominations and they don't get on terribly well...

I have no issue with people criticizing Islam as long as they get their facts right and don't act likes it's one homogeneous hive mind.

Also a lot of criticism on Islam re womens and LGBT rights come from many who were never really concerned with our rights in the first place.

RobertKK · 13-06-2016 06:43PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Mr Mateen had said his son should not have carried out the attack as "God himself will punish those involved in homosexuality".
Really touching sentiment from the father of the killer, sure the families of the victims loved hearing this in the mans 'apology' video.

The father is involved in a big cover of who he and his son really are.

He lets the mask slip...

Saipanne · 13-06-2016 06:45PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Well that's just silly.
Islam isn't a race so it's not possible to be racist against it.
Or any other idea for that matter.

Most of the criticism I have seen is guilty of sloppy thinking and complete ignorance about the Islamic world -Little things like FGM and wearing the jihab are cultural not specifically Islamic. Or how women are universally oppressed yet Pakistan has more female generals than Ireland and has actually had a female head of state. Or the fact that there are different denominations and they don't get on terribly well...

I have no issue with people criticizing Islam as long as they get their facts right and don't act likes it's one homogeneous hive mind.

Yes, it is silly. People are so eager to pull out the r word these days, they often misuse it.

stefanovich · 13-06-2016 06:47PM

Joeytheparrot wrote:

Also a lot of criticism on Islam re womens and LGBT rights come from many who were never really concerned with our rights in the first place.

Having reservations about gay marriage does not preclude one from being outraged at cold blooded murder of innocent people.
Why are you defending those who wish you harm?

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 06:48PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Also a lot of criticism on Islam re womens and LGBT rights come from many who were never really concerned with our rights in the first place.

The sudden onset of concern for our welfare would be heartening if the expressions of it didn't also contain a 'it was Islam wot done it and they are going to throw you off a roof' clause.

RobertKK · 13-06-2016 06:55PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The sudden onset of concern for our welfare would be heartening if the expressions of it didn't also contain a 'it was Islam wot done it and they are going to throw you off a roof' clause.

But everyone is in the same boat when it comes to Islamic extremism.
They seem to hate everyone apart from Sunni Muslims.
Everyone's welfare is in danger, we are all in this together.

scream · 13-06-2016 06:56PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The sudden onset of concern for our welfare would be heartening if the expressions of it didn't also contain a 'it was Islam wot done it and they are going to throw you off a roof' clause.

What ignorant comments from both yourself and joey, although with joey it's par for the course. The people of Ireland made a point of going out in force to vote for gay marriage because we want LGBT people in this country to enjoy the same rights as straight couples, yet that is not enough for some. The same allegations of people not caring about women's rights hurled about yet again by joey, that's some serious persecution complex going on right there.

One would almost think that having no LGBT cause to fight for or flag to wave that Joey is looking for any cause to fight for and Muslims will do just fine.

Annasopra · 13-06-2016 06:56PM

stefanovich wrote: »

Why are you defending those who wish you harm?

What? Where have I defended cold blooded murder? Where have I defended IS? Where have I defended Islamic extremism?

Lyaiera · 13-06-2016 07:05PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Mr Mateen had said his son should not have carried out the attack as "God himself will punish those involved in homosexuality".
Really touching sentiment from the father of the killer, sure the families of the victims loved hearing this in the mans 'apology' video.

That's what Christians believe. We have to tolerate their sinning, because ultimate they're going against god who will send them to hell.

stefanovich wrote: »

Having reservations about gay marriage does not preclude one from being outraged at cold blooded murder of innocent people.
Why are you defending those who wish you harm?

Cool. Hating gay people a little bit is ok.

wakka12 · 13-06-2016 07:09PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The sudden onset of concern for our welfare would be heartening if the expressions of it didn't also contain a 'it was Islam wot done it and they are going to throw you off a roof' clause.

True but I don't understand why you're being mean to people for supporting lgbt people during this sad time, would you prefer if they just said Im glad all those gay people died in that shooting instead. Its hardly a bad thing and its making issues out of nothing

Jimmy Garlic · 13-06-2016 07:14PM

RobertKK wrote: »

But everyone is in the same boat when it comes to Islamic extremism.
They seem to hate everyone apart from Sunni Muslims.
Everyone's welfare is in danger, we are all in this together.

They even hate Sunni Muslims that are not high enough on the wacko scale. Islamic extremism is becoming mainstream Islam. Sponsored by the Medieval kingdom of Saudi Arabia who are building terrorist recruitment and indoctrination centers all over the western world.

Annasopra · 13-06-2016 07:16PM

wakka12 wrote: »

True but I don't understand why you're being mean to people for supporting lgbt people during this sad time, would you prefer if they just said Im glad all those gay people died in that shooting instead. Its hardly a bad thing and its making issues out of nothing

I can't speak for Bannansidhe here but I am challenging how LGBT people are being used by some with faux concern. And I also feel the main agenda of some of these people is not to support LGBT people at all but to pursue islamophobic agendas.

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 07:17PM

RobertKK wrote: »

But everyone is in the same boat when it comes to Islamic extremism.
They seem to hate everyone apart from Sunni Muslims.
Everyone's welfare is in danger, we are all in this together.

I've never been an advocate of the enemy of my enemy is my friend tbh.

No. I am not 'in this' with rabid right wingers or extremists of other religions.

I am equally agin them.

Cienciano · 13-06-2016 07:21PM

RobertKK wrote: »

But everyone is in the same boat when it comes to Islamic extremism.
They seem to hate everyone apart from Sunni Muslims.
Everyone's welfare is in danger, we are all in this together.

Explain how we're in danger here, and what should be done. Enough scaremongering and some solutions or ideas. And some stats to prove we're in danger.

Barry Badrinath · 13-06-2016 07:21PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I can't speak for Bannansidhe here but I am challenging how LGBT people are being used by some with faux concern. And I also feel the main agenda of some of these people is not to support LGBT people at all but to pursue islamophobic agendas.

So it's ok for us to sympathise with you and support you as long as we don't question why and how it happened?

Gatling · 13-06-2016 07:22PM

Bambi wrote: »

So why can't Americans own tanks, rpgs, heavy calibre support weapons and high explosives?

Take this militia as a bulwark against the army seriously or don't bother.

Look up knob creek shoot or the big sandy shoot and see what's in private hands

You can buy surplus tanks and armoured vehicles And anti aircraft guns if you have the big bucks and one of these if you can afford it and the brass

smash · 13-06-2016 07:23PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I can't speak for Bannansidhe here but I am challenging how LGBT people are being used by some with faux concern.

People were killed. My stance was that it doesn't matter what their sexuality was. Then I was told it was clearly a homophobic attack, which I agreed with. But now are you saying that by agreeing with it that I and others have some faux concern for homosexuals?

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

And I also feel the main agenda of some of these people is not to support LGBT people at all but to pursue islamophobic agendas.

But if they supported the lgbt agenda then it would be a faux concern, right?

People are allowed have an agenda, be it anti Islam fundamentalists or pro lgbt, or both.

What exactly is your issue here?

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 07:25PM

scream wrote: »

What ignorant comments from both yourself and joey, although with joey it's par for the course. The people of Ireland made a point of going out in force to vote for gay marriage because we want LGBT people in this country to enjoy the same rights as straight couples, yet that is not enough for some. The same allegations of people not caring about women's rights hurled about yet again by joey, that's some serious persecution complex going on right there.

One would almost think that having no LGBT cause to fight for or flag to wave that Joey is looking for any cause to fight for and Muslims will do just fine.

Oh noes is some of the gays not grateful enough to massa straight for coming out in force to give us what we should never have been denied in the first place?

Are you all going to come out and vote for women in Ireland to have the same rights to control what happens their bodies as men currently enjoy?

How wonderful Joey and I have fine upstanding heterosexuals such as yourself to remind us how lucky we are, how grateful we should be, and to generally shut up as we aren't being thrown off a roof.

Straightsplaining - the theme of the day.

Sand · 13-06-2016 07:26PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I have no issue with people criticizing Islam as long as they get their facts right and don't act likes it's one homogeneous hive mind.

Is there some version of Islam which doesn't wish death upon homosexuals? Even the father of the killers 'moderate' position was that homosexuals should be punished by God, not people, and he referred to homosexuals by using a derogatory term. There's different accents of Islamic belief, but they're all extremely regressive and intolerant.

It just puzzles me that people rightfully criticise Christianity for its intolerance, but are overly concerned that people who believe in Islam might be mistaken as being intolerant. They are one and the same.

Superhorse · 13-06-2016 07:27PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Explain how we're in danger here, and what should be done. Enough scaremongering and some solutions or ideas. And some stats to prove we're in danger.

The 2011 census said we had 49k Muslims living in Ireland. I'd say that's nearer 65k at a guess now considering the speed they reproduce at. A recent Al Jazerra poll stated 81% of Muslims supported ISIS.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/25/shock-poll-81-of-al-jazeera-arabic-poll-respondents-support-isis/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/580221/Islamic-State-support-Arab-world-poll-finds

And you think we aren't in danger :eek:

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 07:30PM

wakka12 wrote: »

True but I don't understand why you're being mean to people for supporting lgbt people during this sad time, would you prefer if they just said Im glad all those gay people died in that shooting instead. Its hardly a bad thing and its making issues out of nothing

The only one I am coming close to being 'mean' to is Robert KK. That is because I remember Robert from the marriage equality debate when Robert was so 'mean' some posters (not myself) queried if the KK stood for something Klan related.

Robert's sudden support is suspicious - especially when it is invariably framed in a 'Muslims are baaad m'kay' subtext.

Leopards/spots.

Besides - haven't you heard this isn't about LGBTQI people? The sexual orientation of the victims is apparently so secondary as to be meaningless.

Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

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