Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

unseenfootage wrote: »

Which hate preachers are these by the way? I'm curios.
So saying that non Muslims are killing Muslims in Syria makes you a hate preacher???
Are you okay?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fatwa-sheikh-with-links-to-irish-muslims-is-refused-visa-26759225.html

The Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service refused to approve an entry visa for Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, an Egyptian cleric who has defended suicide bombing and advocated the death penalty for homosexuals.
Sheikh al-Qaradawi (84) is head of the European Council of Fatwa and Research (ECFR), a private Islamic foundation whose headquarters is in the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland (ICCI) in Clonskeagh, Dublin.
Immigration officials are understood to have blocked his entry to the country after Mr Al-Qaradawi described suicide-bombing attacks on Israelis as "martyrdom in the name of God".

Despite Mr Al-Qaradawi's controversial remarks, the ICCI, the largest Muslim organisation in the country, has refused to criticise him. Its chief executive, Dr Nooh al-Kaddo, confirmed to the Irish Independent that Mr Al-Qaradawi's foundation had its headquarters at the ICCI. He described the sheikh as "widely respected" and a "learned scholar".
"His views are representative of Islamic teachings and are not assumed to be a violation of same," said Dr al-Kaddo.

Dr Al-Kaddo also denied other US embassy-cable claims that children of ICCI members did not turn up for school and were visibly sad following the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qa'ida in Iraq, in 2006.
"We did not uncover any evidence that these events took place," he said.
"However, we cannot guarantee that all families are exempt from harsh viewpoints and we cannot prevent such actions.

That was 2011, he lives in Qatar where his views seem acceptable...

Michah wrote: »

Yes, a religious extremist is a religious extremist.

How are those views extremist?
Do you differentiate between conservative and extremist views?

Do you regard PKK atheist suicide bombers as extremists?

LightsStillOn wrote: »

Any decent sources for all of these? Can't read the hot press without paying and the Mark Humphrys site has a header of

"Irish. Atheist. Liberal-right. Anti-jihad. Pro-West. Pro-Israel."

So forgive me for taking whatever is on that blog with a pinch of salt

Humphries and his bias(s) are irrelevant to the factual information on his site, you'll notice Ali Selim has not taken Humphries to court for defamation or demanded the removal of said material, ditto the Halawa family, though they have threatened it on twitter.

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Seriously ???

Why should schools participate in Ramadan ?? - when 90+% of the country isn;t Muslim (for now at least)

A ban on raffles - give me a break please ! - so i'd imagine he'd want all bookies banned too .


The rest is just worse then 1950s catholic Ireland .. if you don't see anything wrong with that then you must be for it !




"Crucial" changes to Relationships and Sexuality Education curriculum to exclude reference to or attempted normalization of pre-marital relationships
● All music to exclude any instruments that makes a note ("tunable instruments")

● School Plays to forbid any physical contact between boys and girls and a ban on gender role reversals

Millions of religious folk have similar views. Like I said it may be conservative but to label it as extremist is far fetched. There are loads of governments in the west that allow Islamic Schools with that type of ethos. Are these governments all extremists?

stoplooklisten wrote: »

Is he conservative now? I thought he was moderate, in fact one of the most moderate in the land

Are you for real.

Who told you that conservative and moderate are mutually exclusive?

Could you at least do your homework before posting, because you are coming across as uneducated.

my friend wrote: »

Rte radio 1 news just described the shooter as follows:

'A NY born Florida resident and US citizen who was the son of Afghan immigrants'

They are obviously obeying the Imams instructions to Irish media.

Pathetic

stoplooklisten wrote: »

You claim he is the most moderate muslim in the land, before admitting you don't know what his beliefs are and now say perhaps he's conservative


all within 2 pages :pac:

You are wasting my time and you have nothing constructive to add.

Move along now.

Michah wrote: »

If he's an integrated moderate, then I'd hate to see an extremist.

Dr Selim wants:

● Islamic Holidays to be marked and celebrated

● Special days off for Muslim children

● Schools to actively participate in Ramadan by raising funds for "the needy"

● A ban on raffles as a method of fund raising as they are "strictly forbidden" in Islam

● "Crucial" changes to Relationships and Sexuality Education curriculum to exclude reference to or attempted normalization of pre-marital relationships

● Exemptions and radical change to PE to ensure female only teachers and a ban on male staff accessing areas where girls might be taking lessons

● All music to exclude any instruments that makes a note ("tunable instruments")

● School Plays to forbid any physical contact between boys and girls and a ban on gender role reversals

Well, when you consider the country he lives in, which;

● Marks and celebrates Christian Holidays

● Special days off for christian children

● Schools actively participating in raising funds for the "needy" during catholic festivals

● A ban on alcohol sales on Sunday mornings and on Good Friday because they are "strictly forbidden" in Catholicism

● Relationships and sexuality education which includes specific christian teachings promoting abstinence and demonising masturbation

● Exemptions on school enrolment and employment policies that allows them to discriminate against non-catholic children and teachers and homosexual teachers and children

● School plays and school musical performance pre-vetted by the school chaplain to ensure they are still compatible with a Catholic ethos.


...then it's not really any wonder that he looks at this and thinks, "Well, why not Islam too?".

If you want to mock Ali's requests as extremist and radical, you might want to take a little look at what the current situation is. He's not actually looking for anything more extremist than the favours that are already being extended to Catholicism.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I think that to deny Christian sponsored initiatives such as the Religious Freedom Bill in Florida and the UK issuing a travel warning is to ignore an ingrained homophobia in sections of American society and this is extremely foolish.

I doesn't matter what vehicle homophobia uses - gay people still suffer whether it's a Koran or a Bible so it's same meat different gravy as far as I am concerned - it matters that it is challenged where ever and when ever it raises it's hatefilled head.

If you think current crop of anti LGBTQI legislation are not prompting violence than you are very much mistaken.

That's a weird argument. The fact is, the guy killed in the name of islam. If you're going to cherrypick like you did, you could easily say the fact that it was a gay nightclub doesn't matter. It's another muslim terrorist attack, anyone can be a target.

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Listening to this now, Moncrieff is a moron of the highest order.

The gist of the program

"Muslims are the victims here" - Ali Selim

Uh-hmm- Moncrieff

"no evidence of radicalised muslims in Ireland"-Moncrieff

"No radical muslims in Ireland"-Ali Selim

"Ireland has something to teach other countries as regards immigration"

LOL, forty Irish fighters in ISIS in Syria atm, second highest in Europe per capita.

Insane.

Do you believe there a problem with radicalised muslims in Ireland?

my friend wrote: »

Rte radio 1 news just described the shooter as follows:

'A NY born Florida resident and US citizen who was the son of Afghan immigrants'

They are obviously obeying the Imams instructions to Irish media.

Is any of it untrue?