Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

Moo Moo Land · 13-06-2016 02:01PM

Grayson wrote: »

That's the same line the catholic church has used for years.

I believe the Roman church teach that homosexuality is an abomination.

JPNelsforearm · 13-06-2016 02:02PM

Superhorse wrote: »

Shameful one sided stuff from Newstalk.

lügenpresse

Sudden Valley · 13-06-2016 02:07PM

It will be interesting to hear what sort of safeguards they are going to put in place in america to stop these sorts of attacks happening in future. Doubt they will stop selling these guns to joe public or start interning muslims for agressive social media posts so not sure what can be done. As the last two attacks have been performed by american citizens even Trump's plans would fail.

Herb Powell · 13-06-2016 02:10PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

lügenpresse

A dank meme from the Besorgte Bürger.

testaccount123 · 13-06-2016 02:10PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

My posting style is horrible... oh the irony.

Would you like to rephase that in a less aggressive manner and we can enter into a polite discussion with you or shall we just leave it as I have a vigil to attend and frankly I'm not in the mood to be lectured on homophobia right now.

Here's a tip, don't spend all your time there telling people that Islam is fine and that sure such and such is just as bad, it's offensive and insulting and makes you sound like a nutter

Gatling · 13-06-2016 02:11PM

Sudden Valley wrote: »

It will be interesting to hear what sort of safeguards they are going to put in place in america to stop these sorts of attacks happening in future. Doubt they will stop selling these guns to joe public or start interning muslims for agressive social media posts so not sure what can be done. As the last two attacks have been performed by american citizens even Trump's plans would fail.

A wall to stop Mexicans that's trump is some how going to make the Mexican government pay for what's he's going to do about islam god only knows all he seems to say is he will stop it

my friend · 13-06-2016 02:12PM

hidden shallows wrote: »

It's truly staggering that someone can legally purchase an AR-17 semi-automatic rifle.

The founding fathers of the US constitution did not have this in mind when the 'right to bear arms' was enshrined.

I've given up expecting anything sane, logical or sensible being done about this issue. There doesn't seem to be any atrocity bad enough to warrant a major over hall of gun-ownership legislation in the US.

You're spouting on matters you have poor knowledge on, AR17 was a shotgun, only a few thousand if even were made and still exist, it would actually be a bit of a collectors item only due to its relative rarity for

cowboyBuilder · 13-06-2016 02:12PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Now they are having a friendly chat about the ins and outs of Ramadan and how its beneficial

Jesus wept.

Incredible the power of religion, something that anywhere else in polite society would be considered a mental illness (cos thats exactly what it is), is a cultural and beneficial (:rolleyes:) event with the religion label.

aloyisious · 13-06-2016 02:13PM

For what it's worth, I've been doing what most folk are/were doing, following the media and the internet social connects on this story. I got a sudden halt when I realised there were only (pardon the use of that word) 49 victims of the murderer. The official death figure of 50 includes him as well.

The New York Times front page.

Florida Attacker Had Been Investigated for Ties to Terrorism
By LIZETTE ALVAREZ and RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑA 7:37 AM ET

The gunman who attacked an Orlando, Fla., nightclub early Sunday was identified as Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old U.S. citizen.

Forty-nine other people died, 53 were wounded, and the gunman was killed by the police.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjy5YHqiaXNAhWFJh4KHfs-BtwQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F&usg=AFQjCNEtLodOdxWZSGdJpL7WJaEeUJVlnw

acier · 13-06-2016 02:16PM

Michah wrote: »

An Islamic terrorist organisation releases a kill-list of Florida residents via encrypted channels and calls for lone wolves in Florida to act. A Muslim guy who's been on an FBI terrorism watchlist, and who's father is an open supporter of the Taliban, proceeds to kill people in response. He declares that he's committing this act in allegiance with the Islamic terrorist organisation who have been calling for the attacks. He Allahu Ackbars throughout and martyrs himself at the end. The Islamic terrorist organisation commends his martyrdom and reaffirms that the organisation is responsible for the attack.

But it's Christians to blame.

Brilliant, it's the same as a battered wife blaming the drink, the people he's hanging around with, the drugs, anything except what the real problem is.
He was doing as his religion has taught him to do. His religion is the problem and it has no place in western society.

Call Me Jimmy · 13-06-2016 02:17PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

My posting style is horrible... oh the irony.

Would you like to rephase that in a less aggressive manner and we can enter into a polite discussion with you or shall we just leave it as I have a vigil to attend and frankly I'm not in the mood to be lectured on homophobia right now.

Of course I am lecturing you on homophobia! I took issue with you speaking for me and implying i dont have any awareness of homophobia.

Anyway I know that we both think pretty much the same, that it is both terrorist and homophobic and that all religions are crap and we hope they will go away asap.

RDM_83 again · 13-06-2016 02:18PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Take a wild guess what the T stands for.

Iran = whataboutry.

We are talking about The United States of America.
The leader of the 'Free' World.
Guardian of Democracy.
Home of the Civil Rights movement.

Do you deny the existence of anti LGBTQI legislation in the U.S.?

I find it a bit ironic being accused of whataboutery on this thread by you.

I notice the way your not actually challenging what I am saying about you shoehorning in anti Trans laws into this event because they share an acronym and they suit your political point.

smash · 13-06-2016 02:22PM

Gatling wrote: »

A wall to stop Mexicans that's trump is some how going to make the Mexican government pay for what's he's going to do about islam god only knows all he seems to say is he will stop it

Well most of these countries have oil so they could just invade them. But then again he stated that he was going to withdraw all foreign troops.

Renegade Mechanic · 13-06-2016 02:22PM

Lol, wonder how many of these fine gentlemen will be arrested for hate speech...

unseenfootage · 13-06-2016 02:27PM

Can't understand where all this hate talk against Ali Salem is coming from.

If ever there was a moderate and integrated Muslim leader in Ireland then it is him.

Dr. Selim, senior member of staff at the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland, has been resident in Ireland since 1999 and has played an important role in the Islamic Faith in Ireland and in interfaith dialogue and activity. He submitted his doctoral thesis in the area of Muslim coexistence and its consequences for peace.
He is a champion of dialogue among diverse groups and promotes and encourages understanding among peoples. As a Muslim spokesman in Ireland he has written journalistic articles for the Irish times, the Spectrum and is the editor of Ar-Resalah magazine (see www.islamireland). He has served as a private secretary to the Imam at the Islamic Cultural Centre, Dublin and as the Secretary General of the Irish Council of Imams. His background in Islamic and Faith studies (Bachelor’s degree Al-Azhar University, Egypt; MA in Ecumenics, TCD and PhD TCD) has prepared his academic career as a lecturer on Islam and multiculturalism at the Mater Dei Institute, Dublin (accredited to DCU). Additionally he lectures in Arabic at Trinity College Dublin.
Dr. Selim is a member of the three-faith forum and is involved in many interfaith initiatives organized by Muslim and non-Muslim organizations. He delivers workshops and courses on Islam and Islamic etiquettes to service providers, NGO’s and teachers. He has also promoted mutual understanding through his initiatives on the National Consultative Committee on Racism and Interculturalism.
He has taught Arabic to a number of Irish politicians and members of the business community.

https://ie.linkedin.com/in/dr-ali-selim-1a8b0762

Seems like some people in this thread hate all Muslims irrespective of their ideology. Full stop.

smash · 13-06-2016 02:27PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Lol, wonder how many of these fine gentlemen will be arrested for hate speech...

Noe yet. But I've no doubt their accounts are being monitored and information is being handed over the the FBI.

RobertKK · 13-06-2016 02:30PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Lol, wonder how many of these fine gentlemen will be arrested for hate speech...

I see one of these terrorist loving guys hopes Allah never lets a flame of hell touch the attacker.
If hell exists I would put money he is on a spit roast.

seamus · 13-06-2016 02:30PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Can't understand where all this hate talk against Ali Salem is coming from.

If ever there was a moderate and integrated Muslim leader in Ireland then it is him.

To be fair, he comes out with some howlers every now again, most recently being the recommendation that RTE broadcast the Muslim call to prayer.

But you're right, as Islamic preachers go he would be a radical freethinker in comparison to someone in the Middle East.

Duggy747 · 13-06-2016 02:30PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Lol, wonder how many of these fine gentlemen will be arrested for hate speech...

Not the brightest bunch, are they?

stoplooklisten · 13-06-2016 02:31PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Can't understand where all this hate talk against Ali Salem is coming from.

If ever there was a moderate and integrated Muslim leader in Ireland then it is him.

Seems like some people in this thread hate all Muslims irrespective of their ideology. Full stop.

What's his views on segregation, education, and censorship?

He doesn't mention it in his linkedin profile...

JPNelsforearm · 13-06-2016 02:33PM

Gatling wrote: »

40 people if that's even true and thousands from across europe .

But percentage wise it means we have a bigger problem than the likes of the UK, Belgium and France in that we have a more conservative muslim population for us to have the number of ISIS fighters that we do have. The fact the only reporting done on muslims in Ireland is of the puff piece variety is equally as troubling.

Renegade Mechanic · 13-06-2016 02:35PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I see one of these terrorist loving guys hopes Allah never lets a flame of hell touch the attacker.
If hell exists I would put money he is on a spit roast.

Depends on which god is right. Boy am I going to have egg on my face if I arrive in front of Allah...

RobertKK · 13-06-2016 02:35PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Can't understand where all this hate talk against Ali Salem is coming from.

If ever there was a moderate and integrated Muslim leader in Ireland then it is him.

Seems like some people in this thread hate all Muslims irrespective of their ideology. Full stop.

The Clonskeagh mosque allows hate preachers who call for gay people to be killed, has Muslim Brotherhood involvement which a lot of countries have declared a terrorist organisation.

He said non Muslims are killing Muslims in Syria - he named Russia but also Iran, maybe he considers Shia Muslims as not being Muslim given he is a Sunni Muslim, which is where all the worst extremists seem to come from. Both AQ and ISIS are Sunni Islam terrorist groups.

He failed to deal with the problem, it was everyone elses fault and to blame Islam is Islamophobia.

unseenfootage · 13-06-2016 02:37PM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

What's his views on segregation, education, and censorship?

He doesn't mention it in his linkedin profile...

I don't know but those would probably be typical Muslim views which would not be dissimilar to conservative Christian and Orthodox Jewish views.

Is that it. I would've expected you to come up with something far more interesting than that.

You're clutching at straws mate.

JPNelsforearm · 13-06-2016 02:40PM

seamus wrote: »

To be fair, he comes out with some howlers every now again, most recently being the recommendation that RTE broadcast the Muslim call to prayer.

But you're right, as Islamic preachers go he would be a radical freethinker in comparison to someone in the Middle East.

Ali Selim threatened to sue any newspaper that republished the Mohammed cartoons.

Ali Selim supports the Muslim Bortherhood.

Ali Selim supports Islamic "ethos" schools in Ireland.

Repeatedly invited "radical preachers" to preach in Ireland

Promotes sharia.

Maintains the London bombings are not the work of muslims

defends 9/11 and Bin Laden

Defends Saudi Arabia as a "democracy"

http://markhumphrys.com/clonskeagh.html
http://www.hotpress.com/features/interviews/Selims-Lot/2890322.html

Some lad

stoplooklisten · 13-06-2016 02:40PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

I don't know but those would probably be typical Muslim views which would not be dissimilar to conservative Christian and Orthodox Jewish views.

Is that it. I would've expected you to come up with something far more interesting than that.

You're clutching at straws mate.

You don't know, yet you definitely state

unseenfootage wrote: »

If ever there was a moderate and integrated Muslim leader in Ireland then it is him

..but I'm clutching at straws?

:pac:

Herb Powell · 13-06-2016 02:41PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Seems like some people in this thread hate all Muslims irrespective of their ideology. Full stop.

Imagine that!

cowboyBuilder · 13-06-2016 02:41PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Can't understand where all this hate talk against Ali Salem is coming from.

If ever there was a moderate and integrated Muslim leader in Ireland then it is him.

Seems like some people in this thread hate all Muslims irrespective of their ideology. Full stop.

Maybe his refusal to condemn 9-11, or his thinly veiled threats to western media to shut up other wise they would be attacked again after Charlie Hebdo ???

unseenfootage · 13-06-2016 02:42PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The Clonskeagh mosque allows hate preachers who call for gay people to be killed, has Muslim Brotherhood involvement which a lot of countries have declared a terrorist organisation.

He said non Muslims are killing Muslims in Syria - he named Russia but also Iran, maybe he considers Shia Muslims as not being Muslim given he is a Sunni Muslim, which is where all the worst extremists seem to come from. Both AQ and ISIS are Sunni Islam terrorist groups.

He failed to deal with the problem, it was everyone elses fault and to blame Islam is Islamophobia.

Which hate preachers are these by the way? I'm curios.
So saying that non Muslims are killing Muslims in Syria makes you a hate preacher???
Are you okay?

BattleCorp · 13-06-2016 02:43PM

hidden shallows wrote: »

It's truly staggering that someone can legally purchase an AR-17 semi-automatic rifle.

The founding fathers of the US constitution did not have this in mind when the 'right to bear arms' was enshrined.

I've given up expecting anything sane, logical or sensible being done about this issue. There doesn't seem to be any atrocity bad enough to warrant a major over hall of gun-ownership legislation in the US.

You might be staggered so to find out that there are AR semi-automatic rifles licenced here. I personally know a few guys that have them. There are other types of semi-automatic rifles licenced here too and we have no problems. It's not the gun, it's the nut behind the trigger.

To be honest, there is no stomach in America to change their constitution. And even if they could change their constitution, each State also has a constitution so they would need to be changed too. It aint happening any time soon.

Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

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