Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

Straight Edge Punk · 13-06-2016 01:46PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I posted about this earlier.
Ted Cruz for one.
Heard of him?

One politician does not equal powerful politicians. Are there anymore?

I'm genuinely fascinated by your opinions on this and your apparent ignorance to the other factors involved in this incident Btw so please don't think I am having a go at you.

stoplooklisten · 13-06-2016 01:46PM

Grayson wrote: »

That's the same line the catholic church has used for years.

Sigh, i'm trying to talk about the incident that happened

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 01:47PM

Michah wrote: »

An Islamic terrorist organisation releases a kill-list of Florida residents via encrypted channels and calls for lone wolves in Florida to act. A Muslim guy who's been on an FBI terrorism watchlist, and who's father is an open supporter of the Taliban, proceeds to kill people in response. He declares that he's committing this act in allegiance with the Islamic terrorist organisation who have been calling for the attacks. He Allahu Ackbars throughout and martyrs himself at the end. The Islamic terrorist organisation commends his martyrdom and reaffirms that the organisation is responsible for the attack.

But it's Christians to blame.

k.

Christian sponsored anti- LGBTQI legislation and the likes of Kevin Swanson have nothing to do with a legitimising of homophobia in the US because this is all about Islam.

And the gays just don't get that because this wasn't really about sexuality it's all about Islam.

The gays need to understand that in order to protect them from Islam we need to roll back on certain civil liberties and they can trust right wing Christians yes siree bob.

Not about Sexuality.
Not about homophobia.
Not about religious extremism.
Only about Islam/

Got it.

Superhorse · 13-06-2016 01:48PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

He believes gays can be cured

He also brought up world war 1 for some reason. He's mad.

Call Me Jimmy · 13-06-2016 01:48PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I think that to deny Christian sponsored initiatives such as the Religious Freedom Bill in Florida and the UK issuing a travel warning is to ignore an ingrained homophobia in sections of American society and this is extremely foolish.

I doesn't matter what vehicle homophobia uses - gay people still suffer whether it's a Koran or a Bible so it's same meat different gravy as far as I am concerned - it matters that it is challenged where ever and when ever it raises it's hatefilled head.

If you think current crop of anti LGBTQI legislation are not prompting violence than you are very much mistaken.

You've done this to other people but you wont do it to me, I never denied that Christian homophobia exists, I have not ignored ingrained homophobia in sections of American society. You're argument style has been horrible throughout this thread, I don't put words in your mouth so please dont do it to me.

Current crop of anti lgbtqi legistation is prompting violence I have no doubt. Same as homophobia in general has and is prompting violence. Homophobia is on the decrease in western culture however (which you deny is the case of US astonishingly). Not in small part due to the trend of a decline in religious following. But it is not an integral part of spreading terror through violent means throughout western society, which I and the authorities believe is the wider context of this incident. Gay people suffer from homophobia no matter what its origin, of course. Are you saying that to me as if I don't know that? Really? Do you think I don't know homophobia has to be challenged wherever it raises its head?

Anything there you'd like to twist?

stoplooklisten · 13-06-2016 01:48PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

k.

Christian sponsored anti- LGBTQI legislation and the likes of Kevin Swanson have nothing to do with a legitimising of homophobia in the US because this is all about Islam.

And the gays just don't get that because this wasn't really about sexuality it's all about Islam.

The gays need to understand that in order to protect them from Islam we need to roll back on certain civil liberties and they can trust right wing Christians yes siree bob.

Not about Sexuality.
Not about homophobia.
Not about religious extremism.
Only about Islam/

Got it.

don't forget the abortion and same sex marriage, you forgot to work them in that post

RDM_83 again · 13-06-2016 01:48PM

Grayson wrote: »

I will say this much. Radical Christians and radical Muslims have an awful lot in common.

Very true however having a lot of similarities doesn't make them the same and just because two things are similar doesn't mean a comparison is always legitimate.
A far right Russian and a Palestinian might both hate Jew's, to say they are coming from the same place isn't helpful to understand the "why" and their motivations though

Grayson · 13-06-2016 01:49PM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

Sigh, i'm trying to talk about the incident that happened

I know, but I'm just saying it's the standard line for moderate religions. Being gay is a sin and evil but it's wrong to target them. That's what most religious people here believe too. there's nothing unremarkable about it.

Superhorse · 13-06-2016 01:49PM

Haha the line in the Koran about killing infidels isn't about killing infidels.

Renegade Mechanic · 13-06-2016 01:49PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

k.

Christian sponsored anti- LGBTQI legislation and the likes of Kevin Swanson have nothing to do with a legitimising of homophobia in the US because this is all about Islam.

And the gays just don't get that because this wasn't really about sexuality it's all about Islam.

The gays need to understand that in order to protect them from Islam we need to roll back on certain civil liberties and they can trust right wing Christians yes siree bob.

Not about Sexuality.
Not about homophobia.
Not about religious extremism.
Only about Islam/

Got it.

I'm not a very religious person at all, but I'm smart enough to appreciate how I can get away with that fact in a Christian country, without punishment

cowboyBuilder · 13-06-2016 01:49PM

Superhorse wrote: »

Ali Salim talking some amount of bullcrap right now on newstalk.

He is a hate preacher, don't know why he is not deported.

RobertKK · 13-06-2016 01:50PM

Ali Selim is a dangerous man.

stoplooklisten · 13-06-2016 01:51PM

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

He is a hate preacher, don't know why he is not deported.

Why is he given so much air time? He is never robustly challenged on his views by any presenter.

Gatling · 13-06-2016 01:53PM

175 mass shootings in america so far this year or 30 a week for the last 6 months

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 01:54PM

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

One politician does not equal powerful politicians. Are there anymore?

I'm genuinely fascinated by your opinions on this and your apparent ignorance to the other factors involved in this incident Btw so please don't think I am having a go at you.

Sweetest Divine Punk.

I am the one who has been saying we need to look at the broader picture.
Not just Islamic extremism (notice I do not dismiss it) - but all forms of religious extremism.
All sponsors of homophobia.
Anti-LGBTQI legislation and its sources.
Hate speech no matter where it comes from.

All the factors!

Openly Anti LGBTQI U.S politicians - here ya go http://www.ranker.com/list/the-most-anti-gay-us-politicians/ballerina-tatyana

Now your homework is to identify how many of them were serous presidential/vice presidential hopefuls and if that would justify them being includeded in the general 'influential' category.

Superhorse · 13-06-2016 01:54PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Ali Selim is a dangerous man.

Why isn't the interviwer asking him where he got the money to build the Mosque in Clonskeagh?

JPNelsforearm · 13-06-2016 01:54PM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

Why is he given so much air time? He is never robustly challenged on his views by any presenter.

Listening to this now, Moncrieff is a moron of the highest order.

The gist of the program

"Muslims are the victims here" - Ali Selim

Uh-hmm- Moncrieff

"no evidence of radicalised muslims in Ireland"-Moncrieff

"No radical muslims in Ireland"-Ali Selim

"Ireland has something to teach other countries as regards immigration"

LOL, forty Irish fighters in ISIS in Syria atm, second highest in Europe per capita.

Insane.

RobertKK · 13-06-2016 01:54PM

Ireland has such an integrated Muslim community, we have one of the highest % of our Muslim population going to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Ali Selim doing a good job covering up the problem Ireland has.

Grayson · 13-06-2016 01:54PM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

Why is he given so much air time? He is never robustly challenged on his views by any presenter.

He's given air time because people listen and there's no-one really like that here. He's our token crazy Muslim.

Grayson · 13-06-2016 01:56PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Listening to this now, Moncrieff is a moron of the highest order.

The gist of the program

"Muslims are the victims here" - Ali Selim

Uh-hmm- Moncrieff

"no evidence of radicalised muslims in Ireland"-Moncrieff

"No radical muslims in Ireland"-Ali Selim

"Ireland has something to teach other countries as regards immigration"

LOL, forty Irish fighters in ISIS in Syria atm, second highest in Europe per capita.

Insane.

To be fair, they're in Syria, not Ireland

RobertKK · 13-06-2016 01:56PM

Superhorse wrote: »

Why isn't the interviwer asking him where he got the money to build the Mosque in Clonskeagh?

It would be a difficult question.

Superhorse · 13-06-2016 01:56PM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

Why is he given so much air time? He is never robustly challenged on his views by any presenter.

Balance on newstalk? Eh I don't think so. These questions are pathetic from the presenter.

drunkmonkey · 13-06-2016 01:57PM

An Irish Muslim is a happy Muslim and we're not involved in the killing of Muslins so nothing to worry about.
Europe/Russia/America all balls deep in terrorism against Muslim countries and Arms shipments. Is it any wonder there not liked by Muslins.

I didn't hear him saying anything crazy during the interview. He's right too we're not involved in killing daily.

JPNelsforearm · 13-06-2016 01:57PM

Now they are having a friendly chat about the ins and outs of Ramadan and how its beneficial

Jesus wept.

stoplooklisten · 13-06-2016 01:58PM

Grayson wrote: »

He's given air time because people listen and there's no-one really like that here. He's our token crazy Muslim.

They should introduce him as such and not be pretending he represents the wider muslim comunity

Michah · 13-06-2016 01:58PM

Grayson wrote: »

To be fair, they're in Syria, not Ireland

Be some rí rá agus ruaille buaille when they return.

Gatling · 13-06-2016 01:58PM

RobertKK wrote: »

we have one of the highest % of our Muslim population going to Syria to fight for ISIS.

40 people if that's even true and thousands from across europe .

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 01:58PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

You've done this to other people but you wont do it to me, I never denied that Christian homophobia exists, I have not ignored ingrained homophobia in sections of American society. You're argument style has been horrible throughout this thread, I don't put words in your mouth so please dont do it to me.

Current crop of anti lgbtqi legistation is prompting violence I have no doubt. Same as homophobia in general has and is prompting violence. Homophobia is on the decrease in western culture however (which you deny is the case of US astonishingly). Not in small part due to the trend of a decline in religious following. But it is not an integral part of spreading terror through violent means throughout western society, which I and the authorities believe is the wider context of this incident. Gay people suffer from homophobia no matter what its origin, of course. Are you saying that to me as if I don't know that? Really? Do you think I don't know homophobia has to be challenged wherever it raises its head?

Anything there you'd like to twist?

My posting style is horrible... oh the irony.

Would you like to rephase that in a less aggressive manner and we can enter into a polite discussion with you or shall we just leave it as I have a vigil to attend and frankly I'm not in the mood to be lectured on homophobia right now.

RobertKK · 13-06-2016 01:59PM

He should have been asked why did the Irish state block a Muslim hate preacher who calls for the killing of gay people from speaking at the Clonskeagh mosque?

Superhorse · 13-06-2016 02:00PM

Shameful one sided stuff from Newstalk.

Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

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