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Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

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  • #872
    White Ninja
    Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭White Ninja


    You stab somebody you're a phycopath
    You blow people up you're a psychopath
    You run people over you're a psychopath
    You shoot somebody, guns are the problem.


  • #873
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Grayson wrote: »
    In the US the black market is the open market. You can buy a gun from the back of a van without a background check.

    Not saying that it has anything to do with terrorism, just that it's nuts.

    It is nuts as you say.

    What is even more crazy is how they allow the sale of military weapons to the general public.


  • #874
    rjpf1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭rjpf1980


    Grayson wrote: »
    FGM isn't islamic. It's not in the Koran. It's a cultural thing. It's even practised by christians in the areas where it occurs. And it doesn't occur throughout the muslim world.

    You claimed FGM was only practised by a few Muslims. I demonstrated that millions of Muslims practise it in one of the major Muslim countries in the Middle East - Egypt.
    Terrorist attacks have not killed hundreds of thousands. Since 2006 32 thousand have been killed by terrorist attacks.

    Hundreds of thousands of people have died in Syria, Iraq and Sudan at the hands of Islamic extremists.
    From 1970 onwards, of 2600 terror attacks on US soil, 60 were carried out by islamic extremists.

    I was referring to terrorist attacks throughout the world not on US soil.
    Meanwhile 150k were killed in the invasion of Iraq. Just to put it into perspective.

    The overwhelming majority of whom were killed by Shia and Sunni terrorists.
    Yes, Jews do attack muslims sometimes. There has been a rise in price tag attacks recently. That's besides other settler violence. However I'd certainly never label jews as terrorists.

    The boycott movement collectively seeks to punish all Israelis.
    It's pretty clear to me that our problem is people who don't actually know what maths is and refuse to look up the statistics. They do however have a deep rooted fear of a religion which isn't actually dangerous.

    Islam is a deeply oppressive violent and disgusting religion and I fear it because it is profoundly dangerous.


  • #875
    RedemptionZ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Well done Owen Jones

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEgd9q8ugs4

    Hi Joeytheparrot,

    I've never felt it relevant to post it here but I'm a bisexual male and while I completely understand Owen's frustrations and am genuinely upset and even drawn to tears by how some people view people like me(or you possibly due to you being LGBT mod) and I feel he was being given absolutely loaded questions that would make him appear racist HOWEVER

    the Islamic religion completely goes against our beliefs, I know there are christians that hate gays too but it's so much more common in Muslim society. I was in Marseille when I was younger, about 20 years old and I met a nice guy there and after a few drinks shared we kissed in the street, after one or two minutes we were attacked by French men of North African descent, luckily we only got blood wounds as opposed to brain juries, ie. we weren't knocked out, but the French guy I met told me that they said we were an insult to islam and we should die. My french lover told me that there are so many like that in Marseille, and tbh it wasn't the last time I experienced homophobia and was only through one group. The Majority are absolutely fine I would add.


  • #876
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Just to show how bad things are in America you can be banned from boarding flights as you have a connection to terrorism or terrorists but you can walk into a store and legally buy semi automatic rifles ,shotguns and pistols ,

    But your not allowed to fly ,
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  • #877
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    Have they ruled out that he was a terrorist?

    No, they are saying he is a terrorist, but the PC crowd don't want to discuss that, or the fact he had been in contact with a terrorist, and was on an FBI list of being a possible ISIS sympathiser.


  • #878
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Gatling wrote: »
    He's no more a terrorist than the other 100+ people who carried out mass shootings in the US this year alone

    They are all terrorists, but now two of the attacks in the past year have associated themselves with ISIS.


  • #879
    rjpf1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭rjpf1980


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    No.

    You do not get to use the murder of LGBTI people to further your political agenda and spread fear.

    Take your bigotry somewhere else. The Gay Community isn't buying.

    The attacker was a Muslim fanatic who was allied with ISIS who have claimed responsibility for the attack. He screamed Allahu Akbar as he was shooting his LGBT victims - classic targets of Islamic extremist hated and murderous violence.

    And you are telling us this had nothing to with Islamic extremism?

    Is it bigotry and hatred to point out reality?


  • #880
    BuilderPlumber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    The same thing again. The global criminal cartel strike again. You can be sure they will have emailed the American government to tell them more of this will happen unless they turn a blind eye to the cocaine and heroin deals and the people smuggling and the selling of torture videos on the deep web.

    Our lovely real world Blofelds need to meet our real world James Bonds as soon as possible. So called Islamic State aka al Qaeda aka drug dealing serial killer filth need to be eradicated ASAP. On top of this, we see the same old mistakes. The guy who did this was spouting extremist cartel related drivel long before he acted. I am sick of seeing the cartel exploit depressed, misguided, gullible young men to carry out their dirty work. Yet again, this guy was killed rather than taken in and forced to reveal the real evil drug dealing extortionist money grabbing filth that ordered him to do this.

    You can be sure that France, Belgium and America have handed 'Blofeld' billions in return for taking them off their list of target countries. It is time 'Blofeld' is revealed and taken out forever. His henchmen like bin Laden, Zarqawi and Mullah Omar may be gone, so lets get his 2 remaining henchmen in to reveal him.


  • #881
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    RobertKK wrote: »
    No, they are saying he is a terrorist, but the PC crowd don't want to discuss that, or the fact he had been in contact with a terrorist, and was on an FBI list of being a possible ISIS sympathiser.

    I am perfectly willing to discuss that he was a terrorist - he committed an act of terror didn't he.

    Are you willing to discuss homophobia?
    Are you willing to discuss how religious fundamentalism feeds homophobia?


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  • #882
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    RobertKK wrote: »
    They are all terrorists, but now two of the attacks in the past year have associated themselves with ISIS.

    And the 100 + others didnt because buzz words Islamic and radical was never mentioned neither was white and Christian for the other shooters
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  • #883
    BuilderPlumber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    rjpf1980 wrote: »
    The attacker was a Muslim fanatic who was allied with ISIS who have claimed responsibility for the attack. He screamed Allahu Akbar as he was shooting his LGBT victims - classic targets of Islamic extremist hated and murderous violence.

    And you are telling us this had nothing to with Islamic extremism?

    Is it bigotry and hatred to point out reality?

    The attacker was a brainwashed idiot who was controlled by an atheist drug dealer with serial killer tendencies to extort billions from countries. ISIS is protection racket on a massive scale. Pay up and allow heroin to be dealt or face terrorist attacks. That's their message to all our countries.


  • #884
    unseenfootage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    Grayson wrote: »
    Fundamentalist Buddhists do kill people. There are even high ranking monks who preach it.

    I hope you'll call for a ban on buddhists before they try to make us all eat tofu.

    Apparently those Thai Buddhists that are "taking care" of endangered Tigers have been selling tiger body parts to Chinese buyers.


  • #885
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    No.

    You do not get to use the murder of LGBTI people to further your political agenda and spread fear.

    Take your bigotry somewhere else. The Gay Community isn't buying.

    I do not have a political agenda. I am an Irishman I don't want my fellow citizens, including yourself, to have to suffer, and my intention is to get people to wake up to the threat of Islamic jihadists which is real and is growing.

    I fear it will only be when the inevitable attack happens here that people will wake up and realise what we are dealing with. This is preventable, it is not a natural disaster like an earthquake or something. The time to debate this is now, not in 10 years time when there is a "muslim zone" (already building up nicely on the South Circular Road).

    It's better to use words now to debate the issue rather than in a few years time change our facebook pictures to show solidarity and wonder how something like that could ever happen in Ireland.


  • #886
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I am perfectly willing to discuss that he was a terrorist - he committed an act of terror didn't he.

    Are you willing to discuss homophobia?
    Are you willing to discuss how religious fundamentalism feeds homophobia?

    I actually brought it up a couple of days ago about homophobia in Qatar: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057608690
    The country has laws that allows it to put atheists to death, Muslim homosexuals also face the death penalty as Sharia permits, but sure then it is rather lax in stopping it's citizens from funding terrorist organisations like ISIS.

    Back to the events in Orlando, you called people Islamophobic and switched to blaming Christians as part of your discussion on homophobia.
    Surely you were guilty of Christianophobia.

    I believe whoever the person is, one should treat others as they would like to be treated.


  • #887
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    rjpf1980 wrote: »
    You claimed FGM was only practised by a few Muslims. I demonstrated that millions of Muslims practise it in one of the major Muslim countries in the Middle East - Egypt.

    I said that it was practised by some muslims, therefore people say it's islamic. It's not islamic, it's cultural. It's practised by Christians too and it's not practised by the vast majority of muslims. Read what I say.
    rjpf1980 wrote: »
    Hundreds of thousands of people have died in Syria, Iraq and Sudan at the hands of Islamic extremists.

    You daid terrorist attacks. What you're now doing is including a war. There's a difference between a war and terrorist attacks. If you include the civil war in syria, iraq and sudan than you have to include all civil wars. In which case you will quickly find that the figures are wrong. We'd also have to include events like the genocides in Rwanda and Cambodia.
    rjpf1980 wrote: »
    I was referring to terrorist attacks throughout the world not on US soil.
    Fair enough, the figures are still interesting. 60 islamic attacks out of 2600+ terrorist attacks. Doesn't seem like islamic terror in the US is as big a threat as christians, does it?
    rjpf1980 wrote: »
    The overwhelming majority of whom were killed by Shia and Sunni terrorists.

    Back that up with actual numbers. I want to see a breakdown of stats. I also want to see who's funding the combatants and proof that deaths are directly because of religion and not because of ethnic or cultural strife.
    rjpf1980 wrote: »
    The boycott movement collectively seeks to punish all Israelis.

    I never mentioned the boycott. However the boycott is on products produced within the occupied territories. so it doesn't affect ALL Israelis.

    I mentioned the price tag attacks. They are completely different. Google them.
    rjpf1980 wrote: »
    Islam is a deeply oppressive violent and disgusting religion and I fear it because it is profoundly dangerous.

    Islam can be a deeply oppressive violent and disgusting religion. However like all religion people bring their own bias to it. That's why Christians in Uganda want to jail gay people. That's why Christians in Russia are profoundly anti GLBTQ. That's why Christians in Ireland are preventing women from having reproductive rights.

    Not all Christians to be fair, but I'm not going to label them all bigots. And I wouldn't say it about muslims either. What kind of person would I be if I held Christians to a lower standard than Muslims.


  • #888
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Gatling wrote: »
    Maybe we should wait for the actual facts and not what's been claimed to suit a particular agenda
    And yet you came out with the following.
    Gatling wrote: »
    ...radical Islam has nothing to do with it
    Gatling wrote: »
    He's no more a terrorist than the other 100+ people who carried out mass shootings in the US this year alone


  • #889
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I am perfectly willing to discuss that he was a terrorist - he committed an act of terror didn't he.

    Are you willing to discuss homophobia?
    Are you willing to discuss how religious fundamentalism feeds homophobia?

    Would you be willing to admit that great progress has been made over the last three or four decades in the western world towards accepting gay people and treating them with respect? I am from Northern Ireland, I was raised Presbyterian, but now I am an atheist. The church that I was a member of now has several openly gay members. Northern Ireland is probably one of the safest places in the world to be gay. Just the other day in Newcastle Co Down I saw a gay couple walking on the beach holding hands, the beach was packed, nobody batted an eyelid. Not an issue for most people in what is probably the most Christian part of western Europe.


  • #890
    BuilderPlumber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I do not have a political agenda. I am an Irishman I don't want my fellow citizens, including yourself, to have to suffer, and my intention is to get people to wake up to the threat of Islamic jihadists which is real and is growing.

    I fear it will only be when the inevitable attack happens here that people will wake up and realise what we are dealing with. This is preventable, it is not a natural disaster like an earthquake or something. The time to debate this is now, not in 10 years time when there is a "muslim zone" (already building up nicely on the South Circular Road).

    It's better to use words now to debate the issue rather than in a few years time change our facebook pictures to show solidarity and wonder how something like that could ever happen in Ireland.

    What one needs to know is ISIS goes deeper than just 'Islamic'. They are a fascist version of 'Islam' created by atheist drug dealers, torturers, arms dealers, warlords, people smugglers and would be Nazis. The scary thing is the idea can be passed onto any other warped nationalist anywhere. ISIS are part of a global cartel of united criminals who want to take over the world, much like the SPECTRE organisation in James Bond.

    Cartel violence needs to be prevented and we need to be not complacent and say it won't happen here. We also need to be aware that cartel violence can come from any quarter, not just 'Islamic'. So far, we have not had cartels target innocent people on a massive scale in ROI. They are killing each other at present here as we see with the Kinahan/Hutch thing.

    Extremist politics and religion have traditionally been used to facilitate crime. The Nazis, Slobodan Milosevic and Manuel Norriega come to mind as regimes that sided with crime to gain power. ISIS and their non-Islamic allies are quick learners of history and need to be taken down as soon as possible.


  • #891
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Gatling wrote: »
    Just to show how bad things are in America you can be banned from boarding flights as you have a connection to terrorism or terrorists but you can walk into a store and legally buy semi automatic rifles ,shotguns and pistols ,

    But your not allowed to fly ,

    They've found major politicians like congressmen on the no fly list. It's because their name or something is similar to a terrorist. However the NRA complained that stopping those people from buying guns would be un constitutional.


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  • #892
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    And yet you came out with the following.

    I'm right it wasn't an isis attack it was simply an angry unstable man with a history of violence armed to the teeth with legally held fire arms
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  • #893
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Gatling wrote: »
    And the 100 + others didnt because buzz words Islamic and radical was never mentioned neither was white and Christian for the other shooters

    Why did one security expert on CNN earlier today say that US officials were surprised that the US was attacked as they believed the Euros are going to be attacked, not the US?

    Why did people say this person changed after 911 and start associating himself with terrorists like Bin Laden? Which didn't impress his fellow students at school.
    He made claims to co workers in 2013 that he had links to terrorists, which the FBI investigated and found nothing.
    He contacted a terrorist in 2014, which the FBI investigated and decided it was nothing.
    2 years later, over 100 people shot and he rings to 911 to tell the emergency services of his allegiance to ISIS.
    Obviously there was a massive failing somewhere.


  • #894
    unseenfootage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I do not have a political agenda.

    We're not buying that.

    Your posting history on boards speaks volumes....


  • #895
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    rjpf1980 wrote: »
    The attacker was a Muslim fanatic who was allied with ISIS who have claimed responsibility for the attack. He screamed Allahu Akbar as he was shooting his LGBT victims - classic targets of Islamic extremist hated and murderous violence.

    And you are telling us this had nothing to with Islamic extremism?

    Is it bigotry and hatred to point out reality?

    I am telling you that this was homophobia fed by religious extremism and this is not confined to Islam - ask Gay Ugandans if you don't believe me https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/06/-sp-gay-ugandans-face-new-threat-from-anti-homosexuality-law or Gay Russians.

    Is it too hard to admit that homophobia is not confined to Islam?
    In your reality is there no homophobia in Christianity?
    One assumes then that in your version of reality those Anti-LGBTI the U.K. government warned travellers about in North Carolina and Mississippi were introduced by Muslims.

    Strange how a mere 20 odd years ago when there was hardly a Muslim in Ireland David Norris had to take the Irish government to the European Court of Human Rights to get homosexuality decriminalized.

    But perhaps in your reality the existence of a law against gaymen having sex on the Irish Stature books while we all watched Italia 90 wasn't actually homophobic... or if it was we got over it and nary a hint of homophobia in Ireland now as was demonstrated just last year in the marriage equality debate when not one person even thought of trying to imply that gay people are not to be trusted around children...or if they did imply that it was because Islam.

    I don't need straight people to tell me where the bigotry lies. I am well aware of reality and that reality is that Islam is not the only guilty religion.


  • #896
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    On a side note when did it stop being LGBT?

    I've seen LGBTI and GLBTQ being mentioned.

    I always thought LGBT was kind of a catch-all.


  • #897
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Why did one security expert on CNN earlier today say that US officials were surprised that the US was attacked as they believed the Euros are going to be attacked, not the US?

    Why did people say this person changed after 911 and start associating himself with terrorists like Bin Laden? Which didn't impress his fellow students at school.
    He made claims to co workers in 2013 that he had links to terrorists, which the FBI investigated and found nothing.
    He contacted a terrorist in 2014, which the FBI investigated and decided it was nothing.
    2 years later, over 100 people shot and he rings to 911 to tell the emergency services of his allegiance to ISIS.
    Obviously there was a massive failing somewhere.

    it was simply an angry unstable man with a history of violence armed to the teeth with legally held fire arms

    There was a massive failing an unstable person went on a rampage once again with legally held fire arms .
    For the several hundred time in america ,
    and what's always comes out mental health problems and underfethered access to legal fire arms .
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  • #898
    unseenfootage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    Gatling wrote: »
    I'm right it wasn't an isis attack it was simply an angry unstable man with a history of violence armed to the teeth with legally held fire arms

    I think that even though he wasn't trained by ISIS, they played a significant role in radicalizing him.


  • #899
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Anyone know if the gun/guns he used were legally purchased and owned by him?


  • #900
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I do not have a political agenda. I am an Irishman I don't want my fellow citizens, including yourself, to have to suffer, and my intention is to get people to wake up to the threat of Islamic jihadists which is real and is growing.

    I fear it will only be when the inevitable attack happens here that people will wake up and realise what we are dealing with. This is preventable, it is not a natural disaster like an earthquake or something. The time to debate this is now, not in 10 years time when there is a "muslim zone" (already building up nicely on the South Circular Road).

    It's better to use words now to debate the issue rather than in a few years time change our facebook pictures to show solidarity and wonder how something like that could ever happen in Ireland.

    Fellow citizen - this lesbian doesn't want your kind of 'help'.

    I know fear mongering when I see it.


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  • #901
    White Ninja
    Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭White Ninja


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Anyone know if the gun/guns he used were legally purchased and owned by him?

    Yeah recently legally purchased


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