Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

lawlolawl · 13-06-2016 12:30AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

In the U.S. a culture of murderous homophobia is being fostered and not by any Imams or Mullahs but by Christian pastors. Christian Americans have taken to twitter to rejoice at the deaths.

So that was a Christian pastor killing tens of (presumably) gay people in the name of ISIS then?

Could you please tell me about the last time that a Christian pastor and/or fundamentalist committed mass murder please?

I'm an atheist so i won't be offended by any evidence you provide.

I know that minorities like to support other minorities but Muslims extremists are not the hill to die on.

Sweetemotion · 13-06-2016 12:32AM

Grayson wrote: »

You're talking about the DUP right?

No I was repling, to that ridiculous, comment.

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 12:33AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

A culture of murderous homophobia???

Assuming you missed the video posted earlier here is just the teeniest snippet of homophobic and transphobic murders.

In the United States, out of the almost 6,000 hate crimes committed in 2013, 20 percent (approximately 1,200) were based on victims’ sexual orientation, according to the FBI.

https://76crimes.com/100s-die-in-homophobic-anti-gay-attacks-statistics-updates/

Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people continue to be killed because of who they are. A record 14 homicides of LGBT people have been reported so far in 2015, according to an open letter released Thursday by the Anti-Violence Project, an advocacy group that publishes an annual report on LGBT violence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/02/lgbt-homicides_n_6993484.html

As I said. Murderous Homophobia.

Grayson · 13-06-2016 12:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You're being delusional if you think they are equal. Completely delusional.

In traditionally Christian western countries such as the US the LGBT community is tolerated and there are no serious dangers to women and gay people by and large. Compare that to the middle east. Look at the Dutch woman who was raped in Qatar and when she went to the police she is threatened with prison for adultery.

Don't throw this BS islamophobia tag at me just because I am calling a spade a spade. I don't hate muslims, I just hate the now routine acts of terror being carried out by Islamic jihadists.

Put it this way, would you feel safer in a gay pride parade in Dublin or in Saudi Arabia. By your logic they would both be equally safe. Like I said, delusional.

Hear about the swimmer who raped a girl in the US? How about the footballer who raped a woman in the UK and the victim started getting threats?

US States are passing anti gay laws. Gay people get beaten up all the time. They get discriminated against.

The weird thing is this, both gay people and muslims are attacked and beaten up on a regular basis. Rather than asking whether a gay parade can walk down a street in Saudi, ask yourself if a Muslim or gay person can feel safe in the US.

13-06-2016 12:35AM

Grayson wrote: »

Can we ban all catholics because of the number of terrorist attacks they performed in Ireland. Protestants too. Why not.

I'm not calling for banning all muslims. Just asking that we apply asylum laws correctly and not throw the rules out the window because of our emotions following the latest news report showing a boat capsizing. To do so only encourages more risk taking.

Anyway, catholics and protestants were fighting about more than religion. It was more about a battle for a United Ireland versus remain in the UK. And you know full well this is the case. A similar distinction can be drawn in the case of Hamas or Hezbollah. These are terrorist groups but nobody is claiming they are acting in the name of Islam.

lawlolawl · 13-06-2016 12:36AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Assuming you missed the video posted earlier here is just the teeniest snippet of homophobic and transphobic murders.

https://76crimes.com/100s-die-in-homophobic-anti-gay-attacks-statistics-updates/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/02/lgbt-homicides_n_6993484.html

As I said. Murderous Homophobia.

14 in one year with no clear ideological bias vs. 50 in one incident with someone claiming they are doing it for ISIS. Clearly fundamentalist Christians are the worst.

Are you ok?

unseenfootage · 13-06-2016 12:37AM

Matt Markinson wrote: »

People can all themselves whatever they want, it doesn't mean they are what they claim to be, and it doesn't mean people who claim they are Christian and preaching Christianity are. In contrast, there are hundreds of thousands who both preach and practice actual Christianity, as any genuine study of Christianity will reveal.

Who is to say that your idea of "actual Christianity" is more correct than theirs?

RobertKK · 13-06-2016 12:39AM

It seems don't mention it was an Islamic terrorist (who would naturally be homophobic) as this is Islamophobia.

Matt Markinson · 13-06-2016 12:39AM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Who is to say that your idea of "actual Christianity" is more correct than theirs?

It isn't my idea, in fact its nothing to do with me, it's what it actually teaches vs what it doesn't, and in fact condems.

13-06-2016 12:40AM

Grayson wrote: »

Rather than asking whether a gay parade can walk down a street in Saudi, ask yourself if a Muslim or gay person can feel safe in the US.

That's exactly the question I always ask in these situations. I feel you should be honest with yourself and think about the answer to your question. Of course a muslim or gay person can feel safe in the US. There is no evidence that this shooter was being persecuted because he is a muslim.

Here's a question for you. What would your reaction have been had the shooter being a fervent Donald Trump supporter? Would you have been defending Trump supporters and say the vast majority are peaceful?

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 12:40AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You're being delusional if you think they are equal. Completely delusional.

In traditionally Christian western countries such as the US the LGBT community is tolerated and there are no serious dangers to women and gay people by and large. Compare that to the middle east. Look at the Dutch woman who was raped in Qatar and when she went to the police she is threatened with prison for adultery.

Don't throw this BS islamophobia tag at me just because I am calling a spade a spade. I don't hate muslims, I just hate the now routine acts of terror being carried out by Islamic jihadists.

Put it this way, would you feel safer in a gay pride parade in Dublin or in Saudi Arabia. By your logic they would both be equally safe. Like I said, delusional.

Are you female?
Are you gay?

If not is is beyond ironic that you get to tell me how safe I am living in the west as both a woman and a lesbian and call me delusional when I say that in a WESTERN context it is fundamentalist Christians who threaten my freedom.

BTW - you can stick your 'tolerance' where the sun don't shine. I don't need or require your 'tolerance'. I am a equal citizen because the LBGTI community fought long and hard against Christian- not Muslim- bigotry in Ireland.

lawlolawl · 13-06-2016 12:41AM

/worst mass shooting in US history takes place and perpetrator claims allegiance to ISIS after killing 50 gay (presumably) people

/internet media turns on "homophobic Christians" because they don't want to be seen as Islamophobic

The 2016 cultural hug-box!

unseenfootage · 13-06-2016 12:42AM

Matt Markinson wrote: »

It isn't my idea, in fact its nothing to do with me, it's what it actually teaches vs what it doesn't, and in fact condems.

I'll rephrase.

Who is to say that what you say is "actual Christianity" is more correct than theirs?

Sweetemotion · 13-06-2016 12:43AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Assuming you missed the video posted earlier here is just the teeniest snippet of homophobic and transphobic murders.

https://76crimes.com/100s-die-in-homophobic-anti-gay-attacks-statistics-updates/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/02/lgbt-homicides_n_6993484.html

As I said. Murderous Homophobia.

Did ever occur to you that those people were killed because they where in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 12:43AM

lawlolawl wrote: »

14 in one year with no clear ideological bias vs. 50 in one incident with someone claiming they are doing it for ISIS. Clearly fundamentalist Christians are the worst.

Are you ok?

Are you blind to homophobic Christians or is hate speech ok with you?
You don't believe hate speech encouraged hate crimes?

Sure thing.

Sweetemotion · 13-06-2016 12:46AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Are you blind to homophobic Christians or is hate speech ok with you?
You don't believe hate speech encouraged hate crimes?

Sure thing.

You're a victim

mcmoustache · 13-06-2016 12:47AM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Like this bible thumper for instance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCIE0vqk6Uo

Holy crap. That's comedy gold right there.

lawlolawl · 13-06-2016 12:47AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Are you blind to homophobic Christians or is hate speech ok with you?
You don't believe hate speech encouraged hate crimes?

Sure thing.

Show me an example of homophobic Christians killing people on the scale of a guy claiming allegiance to ISIS murdering 50 gay people.

Your argument is disgusting pandering to another minority for the sake of being PC.

Show me the last time any other person with any religious or ideological affiliation murderer 50 people because of who they were.

13-06-2016 12:47AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Are you female?
Are you gay?

If not is is beyond ironic that you get to tell me how safe I am living in the west as both a woman and a lesbian and call me delusional when I say that in a WESTERN context it is fundamentalist Christians who threaten my freedom.

BTW - you can stick your 'tolerance' where the sun don't shine. I don't need or require your 'tolerance'. I am a equal citizen because the LBGTI community fought long and hard against Christian- not Muslim- bigotry in Ireland.

I don't know what you imagine me to be like exactly. And I don't get the need for inverted commas around tolerance. I'm not some foaming at the mouth skinhead with swastika tattoos. I am actually very social liberal, albeit I am a straight male.

And deep down, if you read my words carefully, and be honest with yourself outside of the buzzwords and accusations of islamophobia, you know I am right.

stoplooklisten · 13-06-2016 12:47AM

the shooter was investigated twice by the fbi

his father is a taliban sympathizer

Grayson · 13-06-2016 12:49AM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's exactly the question I always ask in these situations. I feel you should be honest with yourself and think about the answer to your question. Of course a muslim or gay person can feel safe in the US. There is no evidence that this shooter was being persecuted because he is a muslim.

Here's a question for you. What would your reaction have been had the shooter being a fervent Donald Trump supporter? Would you have been defending Trump supporters and say the vast majority are peaceful?

I never said he was persecuted. I said that muslims in general are, just like gay people.

When I was younger I knew plenty of people that believed most gay people were perverts and would molest children because some men have molested children. I heard "sure they're not all bad, but would you want to live next door to one if you had kids" That kind of attitude still exists in the US with a lot of people.

Likewise I hear that muslims love FGM because some muslims have done it. Muslims are a terrorist risk because some have done it. "sure they're not all bad, but would you want one of them in your street/town/country"

Let's call this attitude what it is. Wether it's against muslims, or LGBTQ, or jews or whoever. It's bigotry, pure and simple bigotry.

lawlolawl · 13-06-2016 12:49AM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

the shooter was investigated twice by the fbi

his father is a taliban sympathizer

Can't keep too close an eye on him, no no no.

That might be seen as Islamophobic.

/suspect murders 50 people

Whoops :eek:

Gatling · 13-06-2016 12:49AM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

his father is a taliban sympathizer

He also claimed to be the president,

Two words

Mental Health

Grayson · 13-06-2016 12:50AM

lawlolawl wrote: »

14 in one year with no clear ideological bias vs. 50 in one incident with someone claiming they are doing it for ISIS. Clearly fundamentalist Christians are the worst.

Are you ok?

So your point is that Christians are murderous too, they're just bad at it? Is that your winning argument.

13-06-2016 12:51AM

lawlolawl wrote: »

/worst mass shooting in US history takes place and perpetrator claims allegiance to ISIS after killing 50 gay (presumably) people

/internet media turns on "homophobic Christians" because they don't want to be seen as Islamophobic

The 2016 cultural hug-box!

The refusal to confront reality is going to destroy western liberal values.

I find it ironic that the most ardent defenders of muslims are the ones who will suffer the most from sharia law if and when it ever does come to the West.

Sweetemotion · 13-06-2016 12:51AM

Grayson wrote: »

I never said he was persecuted. I said that muslims in general are, just like gay people.

When I was younger I knew plenty of people that believed most gay people were perverts and would molest children because some men have molested children. I heard "sure they're not all bad, but would you want to live next door to one if you had kids" That kind of attitude still exists in the US with a lot of people.

Likewise I hear that muslims love FGM because some muslims have done it. Muslims are a terrorist risk because some have done it. "sure they're not all bad, but would you want one of them in your street/town/country"

Let's call this attitude what it is. Wether it's against muslims, or LGBTQ, or jews or whoever. It's bigotry, pure and simple bigotry.

Stop lying.

Grayson · 13-06-2016 12:51AM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Holy crap. That's comedy gold right there.

When I watched that on youtube the first suggested video was that pastor telling the "truth" about the holocaust.

Grayson · 13-06-2016 12:52AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Stop lying.

What am I lying about?

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 12:53AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Did ever occur to you that those people were killed because they where in the wrong place at the wrong time?

It occurred to me that in an increasing hostile atmosphere towards LGBTI people in the U.S. foster by right-wing Christian fundamentalists that a religious nutter who is affiliated with a group of murderous Islamic religious nutters decided to murder people for being LGBTI.

It occurred to me that people would use this is attack Islam - all of Islam - while remaining silent about Christianity's role in the whole sorry mess.

It occurred to me that people who would be wondering why 'the gays' need their own clubs and parades and wouldn't like the idea of gay people adopting because you know yourself like... children.... will use these murders as an excuse to attack Islam but will shy away from discussion of homophobia because sure in the West we don't have homophobia we have Marriage Equality - except where we have bathroom laws obvs.

It occurred to me that right-wing Christians are going to be mightily conflicted by these murders - and so Twitter has shown.

Here is a crazy idea - let's talk about homophobia.

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2016 12:53AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

You're a victim

LOL.

Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

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