Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

unseenfootage · 12-06-2016 11:30PM

LorMal wrote: »

Sorry Gatling, you are wrong. ISIS see all non Muslims as legitimate targets. A western country like Ireland is undoubtedly fair game to them.

I just googled ISIS Ireland and it appears that we are on their list of targets, (probably related to Shanon)

They only list about 60 countries so I doubt all non Muslims are targeted.

drunkmonkey · 12-06-2016 11:31PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

I dunno. I think this was more a politically motivated than a judicial execution. According to the police he pledged allegiance to ISIS right before he tragically shot those people.

Glad someone is paying attention, this was a hate crime. ISIS was thrown in at the last minute, he wasn't a member and wasn't trained or in contact with them.

Matt Markinson · 12-06-2016 11:31PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Ugandan Christians who are financed and supported by American evangelicals are radically anti homosexual.
Christians in Russia are extremely homophobic. The Poles don't lag far behind.

None of which aligns with what Christianity actually teaches.

Gatling · 12-06-2016 11:31PM

Saipanne wrote: »

And that's where the concept of an Islamic caliphate was conceived.

Fact.

So it wasn't western intervention in the middle east

stoplooklisten · 12-06-2016 11:32PM

WorldViews
Orlando suspect’s father hosted a TV show and now pretends to be Afghanistan’s president

The father of Omar Mateen, identified by police as the man behind the carnage at an Orlando nightclub early Sunday morning, is an Afghan man who holds strong political views, including support for the Afghan Taliban. In a video he posted on Saturday, he appears to be portraying himself as the president of Afghanistan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/12/orlando-shooting-suspects-father-hosted-a-political-tv-show-and-even-tried-to-run-for-the-afghan-presidency/

his youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5MBQ9UhS01swTh860m_tvQ/videos

Gatling · 12-06-2016 11:32PM

Just in case

The first 4 names of victims in the Orlando shooting:

Edward Sotomayor Jr.
Stanley Almodovar III
Luis Omar Ocasio-Capo
Juan Ramon Guerrero

Rip

RobertKK · 12-06-2016 11:33PM

A few things going from previous pages.

People talking about Trump and international relations and how great Obama has been.
Obama warned Cameron that the UK must spend more on their military or the special relationship between the two countries would be over.
He criticised both the UK and France for expecting the US to do everything in regards to Libya.
The US has worst relations with Russia now, than 8 years ago.
Obama had to explain to Merkel why they were spying on her phone.
Obama admitted the relationship with Saudi Arabia was strained, due to the Iran deal.
Obama/Hillary as SoS supported a coup in Honduras.

People quoting Leviticus, now there were 12 tribes of Israel, one of the tribes was called Levi, they were the tribe that the Jewish priests came from, and Leviticus is the rule book for priestly code.

12-06-2016 11:33PM

Gatling wrote: »

Polls sure aren't they always right .....

You are literally bashing the Worlds best surveying company PEW, they are the gold standard and their research is used by higher level institutions and governments worldwide.

The Specialist · 12-06-2016 11:34PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Glad someone is paying attention, this was a hate crime. ISIS was thrown in at the last minute, he wasn't a member and wasn't trained or in contact with them.

Really?

Sky News wrote:

Islamic State has claimed responsibility for a shooting at a gay club in Orlando which killed 50 people and injured 53 others, according to the Amaq news agency.

A statement carried by Amaq, which is tied to IS, said the mass shooting was "carried out by an Islamic State fighter".

Its dead Jim · 12-06-2016 11:34PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How does this happen?

Bring in liberal thought police. You have to be a certain level of PC or be sent for reeducation. Just make sure you only use it on those of the right of me. I'll vote for trump otherwise.

unseenfootage · 12-06-2016 11:34PM

The Specialist wrote: »

This is a tired excuse. It is not western intervention in the middle east that gave rise to IS...

You mean ISIS would've popped out of nowhere if Bush and Blair hadn't invaded and left Saddam Hussein in power.

Nevertheless it seems you know better than Blair.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/25/tony-blair-is-right-without-the-iraq-war-there-would-be-no-isis

Saipanne · 12-06-2016 11:34PM

Gatling wrote: »

So it wasn't western intervention in the middle east

Some fella called Mohammed came up with idea of an Islamic caliphate. I know, mad theory.

And yes, we did "intervene":

"Ireland fits precisely the target profile that attracts ISIS terrorists. Poor security and intelligence infrastructure and high profile soft targets such as the Global Headquarters of Google, Facebook, Twitter – not to mention the use of Shannon Airport by 2.2 million US troops."

Dr Tom Clonan is a former Captain in the Irish armed forces. He is a security analyst and academic, lecturing in the School of Media in DIT. He is also an Independent candidate for Senate-TCD Panel.

But you know better than him, of course.

Hande hoche! · 12-06-2016 11:35PM

Sky New's press review was fairly animated.

Polo_Mint · 12-06-2016 11:35PM

The Specialist wrote: »

it's the fact they've attracted an army of ****ing imbeciles with the promise of a caliphate.

This is Mostly Bollox

They hired mercenaries using the money from Oil and so on.

Hence why they have so many people switching sides fighting against them now when money is low

Money rules in these regions and ISIS have a massive desertion rate

Saipanne · 12-06-2016 11:36PM

Some amount of denial in this thread. It will take an attack here to wake you up.

LightsStillOn · 12-06-2016 11:36PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Show me the rest of the gay imams just because you came up with one isolated example! Show me a gay pride march in Muslim country? I'd say your itching to call me bigoted and racist aren't you lol

Posts like this are hilarious! You said, forgive me for not having the exact quote, something along the lines of "show me one Muslim Imam.."

Now you're moving the goalposts after you've been given what you asked for. This thread is full of logic!

Gatling · 12-06-2016 11:36PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Some fella called Mohammed came up with idea of an Islamic caliphate. I know, mad theory.

And yes, we did "intervene":

1400 years ago

And no we didn't intervene at all .

Many others did we did not

We did send peace keepers around the world

Hans Bricks · 12-06-2016 11:37PM

I really can't imagine ISIS having capability to strike Ireland. We don't have the segregated enclaves of Islamic communities which can breed enough disenfranchisement among young muslims, let alone the effort and resources to bring high caliber weapons into the country.

Besides. Theres a lot more attention and impact to be gained by hitting the continental and more international G8/G20 countries than this insignificant western rock.

LorMal · 12-06-2016 11:37PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

I just googled ISIS Ireland and it appears that we are on their list of targets, (probably related to Shanon)

They only list about 60 countries so I doubt all non Muslims are targeted.

'Only' 60 countries. All non Muslims (in fact all non Sunni Muslims).

Saipanne · 12-06-2016 11:38PM

Gatling wrote: »

1400 years ago

And no we didn't intervene at all .

Many others did we did not

We facilitated, it's the same thing. We are a target, this has been already established.

Keep those fingers plugged right in there.

Gatling · 12-06-2016 11:39PM

Saipanne wrote: »

. We are a target, this has been already established.

Keep those fingers plugged right in there.

There's a radical Islamist under the bed

Saipanne · 12-06-2016 11:40PM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

I really can't imagine ISIS having capability to strike Ireland. We don't have the segregated enclaves of Islamic communities which can breed enough disenfranchisement among young muslims, let alone the effort and resources to bring high caliber weapons into the country.

Besides. Theres a lot more attention and impact to be gained by hitting the continental and more international G8/G20 countries than this insignificant western rock.

It's already been established that up to 40 irish based Muslims are off being trained .

But none will attempt an attack here because reasons. Even though their propaganda video listed us as a target. Right....

RedemptionZ · 12-06-2016 11:40PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

FFS no one is saying we should let the extremists run riot. It's the fact that some people can't make a distinction between regular muslims and the nutjobs that people have an issue with.

Sigh. Fair enough, There are a lot of completely innocent Muslims who have absolutely nothing to do with this and would not support this and do not deserve any backlash. The majority of Muslims you could even say. But the culture at the moment makes it near impossible to criticise any aspect of the Islamic religion without being branded a racist or a bigot. Even though the aspect you are criticising is actually about the homophobia or sexism that is rampant in the religion, and is actually the opposite of racism as you are actually complaining about the inequality in Islamic society.

I like most people on this site was raised Catholic. I'm not religious now, I don't think I'm an atheist either but my real breaking point was learning that a family member was gay and seeing the way the catholic church viewed homosexuals. I can criticise the Catholic church and I won't receive death threats. I wouldn't be beaten up for protesting against the beliefs of the Catholic church. The same cannot be said for Islam. And that isn't compatible with Western society. In my opinion anyway. I don't want to live in a place where I can't voice my opinion. The majority of Muslims probably wouldn't resort to violence but there is a sizeable minority that would. That minority is miniscule in Christianity. In the past? Absolutely it existed, the Spanish Inquisition as I mentioned before was disgusting, it's not a genetic thing that Middle Eastern or Arab people have, it's down to the way the religion is taught in certain places.

I apologise if my previous post came across as anti muslim, I am a little shaken as one my very good and very gay friends lives in Orlando and I couldn't get ahold of him for a good period of today and was worried sick. In Ireland one of my best friends is a Bosnian muslim and we are both friends with many gay people. He is dead sound and not in any way intolerant. I quite obviously don't have a problem with Muslims like this, but unfortunately there are many who are not like this. And there are many more Muslims who are intolerant to the point that they will resort to violence than there are intolerant Catholics that will resort to violence.

Barry Badrinath · 12-06-2016 11:40PM

Gatling wrote: »

More danger from drunks on a weekend.

Again why would we be a target

The threat of an organised ISIS attack in Ireland is low.

There are 100,000+ non native Muslims residing in Ireland, the potential for radicalisation and recruitment is there.

There are some extremist Muslims who live here. They are known combatants and are of the low/medium level of leadership variety.

Ireland has been / is used as a kind of "safehouse" for extremist Muslims due to our lax security and social tolerance.

Ireland is not immune from an internal, "lone wolf" style attack on behalf of any extermist group. It's a soft easy target.

The potential is always there but we can say that about everything.

unseenfootage · 12-06-2016 11:40PM

LorMal wrote: »

'Only' 60 countries. All non Muslims (in fact all non Sunni Muslims).

Not sure what your point is.
You said they target all non Muslims.
I showed you an article where they only list 60 countries.
There are 200 countries in the World.

Saipanne · 12-06-2016 11:41PM

Gatling wrote: »

There's a radical Islamist under the bed

Under the bridge.

Gatling · 12-06-2016 11:42PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Under the bridge.

Yeah under the bridge indeed

The Specialist · 12-06-2016 11:43PM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

I really can't imagine ISIS having capability to strike Ireland. We don't have the segregated enclaves of Islamic communities which can breed enough disenfranchisement among young muslims, let alone the effort and resources to bring high caliber weapons into the country.

Besides. Theres a lot more attention and impact to be gained by hitting the continental and more international G8/G20 countries than this insignificant western rock.

We are the weakest link in Europe. Look at the attack in the Regency a while back where a couple of guys shot the place up without Garda intervention. Imagine an attack on a shopping centre or public gathering here? We would likely have more casualties than this Orlando attack before even 1 ERU or Army unit would be en route to the location.

RDM_83 again · 12-06-2016 11:43PM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

I really can't imagine ISIS having capability to strike Ireland. We don't have the segregated enclaves of Islamic communities which can breed enough disenfranchisement among young muslims, let alone the effort and resources to bring high caliber weapons into the country.

Besides. Theres a lot more attention and impact to be gained by hitting the continental and more international G8/G20 countries than this insignificant western rock.

Yeah to be honest I would imagine that a motivated attacker would target London.
To be honest though for some of these attacks we are just dealing with nutters who aren't really thinking about goals

unseenfootage · 12-06-2016 11:44PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Glad someone is paying attention, this was a hate crime. ISIS was thrown in at the last minute, he wasn't a member and wasn't trained or in contact with them.

Well. The articles I read talks about lone wolf style attacks. It's hard to say what his real motivation was. Could be homophobia. Could be American foreign policy or a combination of both. Hard to speculate.

Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

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