Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

WoolyJumper · 12-06-2016 11:04PM

Matt Markinson wrote: »

The second part is true, and to highlight how true it is, the first agenda of your post was to make a false claims about Christians and Christianity. :rolleyes:

I don't want to get into a big philosophical discussion. This is not the thread for it but....

"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Lev 20 13

And for the record Jesus did not override/denounce the old testament but regularly referred to the law of the old testament.

"Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished" Mathew 5:18

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17).

I'm not here to push any agenda, like I said I think both religions are vile. They are related after all.

12Phase · 12-06-2016 11:06PM

Superhorse wrote: »

The killer is a registered Democrat raised in a radical Islamic imigrant household.

The fact that he was allegedly raised in with radical beliefs is a valid concern. The fact that he's a registered Democrat is totally irrelevant.

There's nothing whatever odd about being a Democrat in the US. They're at most a boring, centre right (by European standards), centre left (by American standards) party.

It's about as relevant as saying he had a Verizon mobile or he shops at Wholefoods.

I mean, he may even have had a Starbucks Card!

Trying to suggest the Democratic Party has links to terrorism is just utterly ridiculous. It would be insulting is it wasn't so hilarious.

Annasopra · 12-06-2016 11:06PM

GLEN, TENI and Belong To are organising a vigil in Dublin at 6:30pm tomorrow. It is at Barnardos Square beside City Hall.

Polo_Mint · 12-06-2016 11:09PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The racism from left-fascists is remarkable. Condemning terror attacks on Muslims in the Middle East is ok. Condemning terror attacks on Western People is a non-event.

I dont see anyone here not condemning terror attacks on Western people.

Can you point it out?

Saipanne · 12-06-2016 11:10PM

Only a matter of time before a similar attack occurs here.

Gatling · 12-06-2016 11:10PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Only a matter of time before a similar attack occurs here.

Based off what exactly

Witchie · 12-06-2016 11:11PM

I am still finding it hard to come to terms with this. I spent last summer living in Orlando and funnily enough Port St Lucie (where the murderer is from) too. I was on my own in Orlando and had actually considered going to this club as I felt safer at the thoughts of going to a gay club for a night out than a straight club. I have driven past that club numerous times.

In all my time there I never felt unsafe or scared and it just seems so alien to me to imagine those poor people in fear. All the nights I had out in Orlando on my own or with friends were so much fun and there was a great party atmosphere. Now all I can think of is the fear and pain of Pulse niteclub goers.

Sorry, just really distressed at the thoughts of people going out, doing their normal thing on a Saturday night but never coming home. Heartbreaking.

Matt Markinson · 12-06-2016 11:11PM

WoolyJumper wrote: »

I don't want to get into a big philosophical discussion. This is not the thread for it but....

I'm not surprised seeing you haven't the foggiest about what was fulfilled, or what you are talking about, and your claims are false.

But yet again you still want to use it to push false claims and an agenda about other sections of society.

end of the road · 12-06-2016 11:12PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

US is too PC now.

no it isn't, pc doesn't exist

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

They had no problem dropping that bomb on the innocent people of Japan but they refuse to upset certain groups today.

they dropped the bomb as an experiment, they had to as part of the experiment to see how it operated in a live environment (it was one of the biggest acts of terrorism ever though) . if by "refuse to upset certain groups" you mean "won't treat all badly and blame all for the actions of a few" then rightly so that they refuse to.

Saipanne · 12-06-2016 11:12PM

Gatling wrote: »

Based off what exactly

Because some irish based Muslims are being trained by IS. Do your own Googling on that.

JPNelsforearm · 12-06-2016 11:13PM

Gatling wrote: »

Based off what exactly

forty odd ISIS fighters emanating from Ireland, per capita the highest in the EU after Finland. Points to a problem

Saipanne · 12-06-2016 11:15PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

forty odd ISIS fighters emanating from Ireland, per capita the highest in the EU after Finland. Points to a problem

Couple that with the fact that our Gardai are stretched to the limit...

Gatling · 12-06-2016 11:16PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

forty odd ISIS fighters emanating from Ireland, per capita the highest in the EU after Finland. Points to a problem

More danger from drunks on a weekend.

Again why would we be a target

The Specialist · 12-06-2016 11:17PM

WoolyJumper wrote: »

I don't want to get into a big philosophical discussion. This is not the thread for it but....

"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Lev 20 13

And for the record Jesus did not override/denounce the old testament but regularly referred to the law of the old testament.

"Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished" Mathew 5:18

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17).

I'm not here to push any agenda, like I said I think both religions are vile. They are related after all.

I'm not religious either, but the difference between the two is the Christian halves thinking slightly moved on with the times, while Islam is ideologically bound to the dark ages. Both have no relevance or place in modern society, but particularly Islam, which is completely incompatible with western values, culture, society or human rights.

unseenfootage · 12-06-2016 11:18PM

stefanovich wrote: »

The Koran says that homosexuality is the worst sin and the punishment is execution. This guy just read the Koran and followed its teachings.

I dunno. I think this was more a politically motivated than a judicial execution. According to the police he pledged allegiance to ISIS right before he tragically shot those people.

Matt Markinson · 12-06-2016 11:19PM

The Specialist wrote: »

I'm not religious either, but the difference between the two is the Christian halves thinking slightly moved on with the times

Christianity claims the same things it always has. Peace non violence and non hatred. Just because someone calls themselves a Christian doesn't mean they are one or act like one. Anyone who wants to make the true distinction easily can.

Saipanne · 12-06-2016 11:19PM

Gatling wrote: »

More danger from drunks on a weekend.

Again why would we be a target

Because we assisted the war effort. Do you need me to explain that?

Ulysses Gaze · 12-06-2016 11:20PM

Gatling wrote: »

More danger from drunks on a weekend.

Again why would we be a target

I don't get this. Why would we not be?

If you really wanted to cause world outrage, why not hit a target like Ireland?

A soft target, not involved in any wars, bar the Shannon stopover, which could be their justification btw.

Shows that they are capable of hitting anywhere.

Gatling · 12-06-2016 11:22PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Because the Western world is a target. Do keep up.

No .

Western countries bombing or killing Muslims whole sale have become a target .

We're doing neighter.

Saipanne · 12-06-2016 11:23PM

Gatling wrote: »

No .

Western countries bombing or killing Muslims whole sale have become a target .

We're doing neighter.

Groan... :rolleyes:

Shannon mean anything to you?

JPNelsforearm · 12-06-2016 11:24PM

Gatling wrote: »

More danger from drunks on a weekend.

Again why would we be a target

Why was Belgium a target?

Gatling · 12-06-2016 11:24PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Shows that they are capable of hitting anywhere.

Hence why they choose Britain ,America, France ,Spain , possibly Germany and Russia at some stage.

Making a point of a soft target gets you no where

Saipanne · 12-06-2016 11:25PM

Tom Clonan: Video means it’s official – Ireland is a target for Islamic State

Dr Tom Clonan is a former Captain in the Irish armed forces. He is a security analyst and academic, lecturing in the School of Media in DIT. He is also an Independent candidate for Senate-TCD Panel.

http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/isis-video-ireland-is-a-target-2467117-Nov2015/

But no, some internet randomer knows best.

:rolleyes:

The Specialist · 12-06-2016 11:26PM

Gatling wrote: »

No .

Western countries bombing or killing Muslims whole sale have become a target .

We're doing neighter.

This is a tired excuse. It is not western intervention in the middle east that gave rise to IS, it's the fact they've attracted an army of ****ing imbeciles with the promise of a caliphate. And if you attempt to justify their actions with that tired excuse,maybe consider this - is someone now justified in shooting up a full mosque in retaliaton for Islam's senseless attacks in Paris, Belgium and now Orlando?

Saipanne · 12-06-2016 11:26PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Why was Belgium a target?

Because reasons.

LorMal · 12-06-2016 11:26PM

Gatling wrote: »

No .

Western countries bombing or killing Muslims whole sale have become a target .

We're doing neighter.

Sorry Gatling, you are wrong. ISIS see all non Muslims as legitimate targets. A western country like Ireland is undoubtedly fair game to them.

muddypaws · 12-06-2016 11:27PM

Witchie wrote: »

I am still finding it hard to come to terms with this. I spent last summer living in Orlando and funnily enough Port St Lucie (where the murderer is from) too. I was on my own in Orlando and had actually considered going to this club as I felt safer at the thoughts of going to a gay club for a night out than a straight club. I have driven past that club numerous times.

In all my time there I never felt unsafe or scared and it just seems so alien to me to imagine those poor people in fear. All the nights I had out in Orlando on my own or with friends were so much fun and there was a great party atmosphere. Now all I can think of is the fear and pain of Pulse niteclub goers.

Sorry, just really distressed at the thoughts of people going out, doing their normal thing on a Saturday night but never coming home. Heartbreaking.

That is one of the real heartbreaking aspects of this tragedy, I was wondering if it was the same in the States, that there is a perception that gay clubs are safer, not as much drunken fighting, and if people had gone there specifically because they felt it would be safer.

unseenfootage · 12-06-2016 11:27PM

The Specialist wrote: »

I'm not religious either, but the difference between the two is the Christian halves thinking slightly moved on with the times, while Islam is ideologically bound to the dark ages. Both have no relevance or place in modern society, but particularly Islam, which is completely incompatible with western values, culture, society or human rights.

Ugandan Christians who are financed and supported by American evangelicals are radically anti homosexual.
Christians in Russia are extremely homophobic. The Poles don't lag far behind.

Gatling · 12-06-2016 11:28PM

The Specialist wrote: »

This is a tired excuse. It is not western intervention in the middle east that gave rise to IS,

Actually it's a well established fact isis stated in American run prison camps in Iraq .
And it's well established fact if they had stayed the US and it's coalition against the Axis of evil which has us in the current situation.

...

Saipanne · 12-06-2016 11:29PM

Gatling wrote: »

Actually it's a well established fact isis stated in American run prison camps in Iraq .

And that's where the concept of an Islamic caliphate was conceived.

Fact.

Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

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