Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

RedemptionZ · 12-06-2016 10:13PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

... and the Bible is the word of God too.

And devout Catholics would say that if you don't believe it word for word, you are not a Catholic.

How many devout Catholics are there in comparison to extremist Muslims?

Gatling · 12-06-2016 10:13PM

Gatling wrote: »

Absolutely he will be running his hands in glee blaming this on Obama and Clinton

That didn't take long

12-06-2016 10:14PM

Matt Markinson wrote: »

Have you ever heard of the new testament, you know the whole point of Christianity, and the one that done away with stoning ?

But sure at least you found a way to use this killings to promote hatred of Christians

As someone used the Koran to slur the Muslim religion.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

stoplooklisten · 12-06-2016 10:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

... doesn't Catholicism say the exact same thing more or less?

Leviticus 20:13 .. y'know.. the Bible.

...the old testament, to the best of my knowledge, Catholicism follows the new one...no?

Penny Tration · 12-06-2016 10:14PM

stefanovich wrote: »

The Koran says that homosexuality is the worst sin and the punishment is execution. This guy just read the Koran and followed its teachings.

I see my point went entirely over your head.

alchemist33 · 12-06-2016 10:14PM

A different thread but the same senseless replies.

Treat all Muslims as potential terrorists -- What happened when the government in the North treated all Catholics as terrorists? It provided the greatest recruitment the IRA had ever seen. When Muslims see their innocent friends and relatives being locked up, having their rights denied, they'll only turn on the society that sees them as an enemy. Bomb the s**t out of certain areas in the Middle East (I saw one poster say that collateral damage would be acceptable) and you do the same, you recruit people to the other side.

That doesn't mean there isn't a military side to the solution; there is. ISIS is a festering sore that trains terrorists and sends them around the world and the sooner it's gone, the better. But we can't be so stupid to believe that's the end of it, because terrorists are bred in the West too. Mainstream Islam has to be more vocal (I know they've spoken out about the shootings but this has to be seen by Muslims every day) and the rest of society has to support them, not demonise them. Preventing the next generation of terrorists is just as important as crushing this generation.

Sand · 12-06-2016 10:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

... and the Bible is the word of God too.

And devout Catholics would say that if you don't believe it word for word, you are not a Catholic.

And they would be right.

Matt Markinson · 12-06-2016 10:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

... and the Bible is the word of God too.

And devout Catholics would say that if you don't believe it word for word, you are not a Catholic.

Have you ever heard of the new testament, you know the whole point of Christianity, and the one that done away with stoning ?

But sure at least you found a way to use this killings to promote a false claim and hatred of Christians and Christianity and Catholics. ISIS would be proud.

Samaris · 12-06-2016 10:16PM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

...the old testament, to the best of my knowledge, Catholicism follows the new one...no?

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Matthew 5:17

Having said that, Jesus never said a word specifically on homosexuality.

Matt Markinson wrote: »

Have you ever heard of the new testament, you know the whole point of Christianity, and the one that done away with stoning ?

But sure at least you found a way to use this killings to promote a false claim and hatred of Christians and Christianity and Catholics.

And no, that's not what this is about, either of you. This is about the idiots who want to accuse all Muslims of being out to get them, who want to other a huge sector of society because they are different, because they - we - are afraid of what's happening at the moment. And it is just easier to point to a clearly defined label and say "these are the people doing this to us, these are the culprits, if we just get rid of these, it will all be okay again" rather than accept that many of these terrorists are home-grown, that we can't just recognize a terrorist any more than the UK could recognize a terrorist from an Irish accent. Yes, they are following the word of Koran, the word that most Muslims will have the same cognative dissonance about that Christians do about the Bible, Old and New Testament. Both books were products of their times and frankly, of the three major religions, the "brothers of the book", only Judaism has actually said "This is a living document and can and must be updated or it dies in the past" (or words to that effect). What this is about is the massive cognitive dissonance to blame all Muslims for their holy book while conveniently ignoring the exact same words in the Christian holy book because Christians are enlightened and ignore those points (as do many Muslims the same points in their Koran). Many of them struggle with that, as do many Christians. But just as with Christians, the vast majority live and let live without using their book as a weapon to harm others.

alchemist33 · 12-06-2016 10:17PM

Superhorse wrote: »

Trump has called on Obama to resign for not referring to this attack for what it is a radical Islamic attack. He is 100% correct. Obama has been a disaster as president.

Obama has talked about, and condemned violence carried out by Muslims, many times. He doesn't want to help legitimise ISIS as some defenders of Islam. Trump wanting him to use the exact two words he uses is the sort of childishness that went on in the north for years.

gandalf · 12-06-2016 10:17PM

Superhorse wrote: »

He's a true American who hasn't fallen for the liberal leftie point of view. He's going to be president and it's a great thing for America.

Interesting a Trump supporter on this thread and a cheerleader for peaceful Russia on a thread in Soccer.

Matt Markinson · 12-06-2016 10:19PM

Samaris wrote: »

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Matthew 5:17

Having said that, Jesus never said a word specifically on homosexuality.

Clearly you haven't the foggiest about Christianity if you don't understand the concept of what Christ fufilled.

Do you think it's cool to use hate killings to promote hate of Christians and Christianity and false claims ?

mcmoustache · 12-06-2016 10:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

... and the Bible is the word of God too.

And devout Catholics would say that if you don't believe it word for word, you are not a Catholic.

As much as I like to shít on Catholicism, I don't think that this is true. The weasel-word "apocryphal" springs to mind.

I'm just a simple person but I think that the literal interpretation of the bible is only followed by Calvinists. Lutherans and cat licks are a bit more flexible.

12-06-2016 10:20PM

Re: Trump;

He is going to destroy international relations globally - UK thinks he is a buffoon and a moron, many of our Irish politicians (including Green Party Members & Enda Kenny) want to tell him how dangerous his ideologies are when he comes to Ireland soon, and whoever knows how many other nations that hate him.

stoplooklisten · 12-06-2016 10:20PM

Samaris wrote: »

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Matthew 5:17

Having said that, Jesus never said a word specifically on homosexuality.

This assumption is grounded in a misunderstanding of the words and intent of this passage. Christ did not suggest here that the binding nature of the law of Moses would remain forever in effect. Such a view would contradict everything we learn from the balance of the New Testament (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

http://www.gotquestions.org/abolish-fulfill-law.html

if they are fulfilled, they are no longer valid....ahooo back to other religions

12-06-2016 10:21PM

Matt Markinson wrote: »

Clearly you haven't the foggiest about Christianity if you don't understand the concept of what Christ fufilled.

Do you think it's cool to use hate killings to promote hate of Christians and Christianity and false claims ?

Do you think it's cool to use hate killing to promote hate of Muslims and the Muslim religion and false claims?

BorneTobyWilde · 12-06-2016 10:21PM

Tronald Dump is benefiting from this. but its not his going. On one hand he wants to control these terror attacks but on another he wants to make sure everyone has whatever guns they want. Its kind of a doubled edge sword.

Matt Markinson · 12-06-2016 10:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you think it's cool to use hate killing to promote hate of Muslims and the Muslim religion and false claims?

No that's why I don't do it, unlike yourself, who chose to do it against others instead.

RedemptionZ · 12-06-2016 10:22PM

Spanish Inquisition is over lads. Fcking sick that this is the culture nowadays. 'Oh people are blaming Muslims, better tell them about things that Christians did hundreds of years ago'. Or of course 'Christians bomb abortion clinics' without clarifying it's nowhere near the frequency of Islamic terrorist acts.

But lads let's not be racist. Let's just let them run riot and kill innocents because it's the religion of peace

Call themselves liberals and stand by people who think gay people are not humans

Gatling · 12-06-2016 10:22PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

whoever knows how many other nations that hate him.

Him and Putin are planning hot baths together,

God help us

Snake Plisken · 12-06-2016 10:22PM

Samaris wrote: »

Turkey.

Next.

That's going well
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/07/14/un-deeply-concerned-about-anti-lgbt-violence-in-turkey/

12-06-2016 10:23PM

Gatling wrote: »

Him and Putin are planning hot baths together,

God help us

And that's a mental image I never wanted to have; Trump's toupee'd head resting on Putin's chest.

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Spanish Inquisition is over lads. Fcking sick that this is the culture nowadays. 'Oh people are blaming Muslims, better tell them about things that Christians did hundreds of years ago'. Or of course 'Christians bomb abortion clinics' without clarifying it's nowhere near the frequency of Islamic terrorist acts.

But lads let's not be racist. Let's just let them run riot and kill innocents because it's the religion of peace Call themselves liberals and stand by people who think gay people are not humans

I'm f*cking sick that this is the culture nowadays. That it is deemed as perfectly OK to essentially ostracize a population of over a billion because of the acts of a small minority of these. And yes, it is minuscule compared to the rest of their religion.

What some of those have done is absolute abhorrent. But Catholics have done awful things. Jews have done sh1tty things. Most religions have (I'm almost certain hare krishna's are harbouring dark secrets)

Black people are killing each other and so many people. But you wouldn't hear someone go, "all black people are bad. All of them are murderers", because you would 1) be informed as to how racist and offensive you were actually being and 2) you would realize just how stupid a blanket statement like that is.

Just because some Muslims (out of a religion with 1.6billion members) do awful and horrible things, doesn't mean that others would.

gandalf · 12-06-2016 10:24PM

Gatling wrote: »

Him and Putin are planning hot baths together,

God help us

FFS Gatling I can never erase that mental image from my mind!

end of the road · 12-06-2016 10:24PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Jesus if this had happened say in the George last night you would still have the same useful idiots on here defending the followers of Islam!

yeah. aweful that people would defend those who haven't done anything wrong, because nutters want to blaim them and persecute them for the actions of some. followers of any religion who do anything wrong need to be dealt with under the existing laws. persecution of people "just because" or because they are part of the same community/religion as the extremists is not on.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

As for oh they are not all bad, well they are if they don't weed out mosques where extremism grows.

it's the authorities job to do their job and take any information they get in relation to extremism that has evidence and act on it.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

where women have to dress in a tent wear headscarfs you cannot b LGBT or leave the religion, and you follow a book where the chief protagonist married a 9 year old child, but hey that's fine live and let live until we end up like Sweden with no go zones. but hey that does't fit with the views of the boards.ie defenders of Islam on here!

listen, every single religion has plenty of bollox in it that is similar to islam. plenty of people wear headscarves. all the rest is for governments to deal with. i will defend anyone who hasn't done anything wrong. anyone who has, i expect the authorities to deal with them.

stefanovich wrote: »

Not true.

yes true

Superhorse · 12-06-2016 10:26PM

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Spanish Inquisition is over lads. Fcking sick that this is the culture nowadays. 'Oh people are blaming Muslims, better tell them about things that Christians did hundreds of years ago'. Or of course 'Christians bomb abortion clinics' without clarifying it's nowhere near the frequency of Islamic terrorist acts.

But lads let's not be racist. Let's just let them run riot and kill innocents because it's the religion of peace Call themselves liberals and stand by people who think gay people are not humans

Or treat women as second class citizens.

Matt Markinson · 12-06-2016 10:26PM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

...the old testament, to the best of my knowledge, Catholicism follows the new one...no?

To think the sectarians on this thread missed their chance to use these murders to make false claims against Jewish people and Judaism as well . . . they'll be raging and wanting relaxed gun control soon.

Superhorse · 12-06-2016 10:28PM

gandalf wrote: »

Interesting a Trump supporter on this thread and a cheerleader for peaceful Russia on a thread in Soccer.

Link to that please.

cowboyBuilder · 12-06-2016 10:31PM

I see Obama didn't mention radical islam in his speech - what a pathetic coward.

Samaris · 12-06-2016 10:31PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

That's going well
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/07/14/un-deeply-concerned-about-anti-lgbt-violence-in-turkey/

Oh I'm sorry, I thought you just asked for a Muslim country (after you were proved wrong on a gay imam existing) that had LGBT parades.

And of course things have never gone wrong anywhere else.

As for the section about Christianity, did either of you read the rest? Although I accept the point about the fulfillment of the words of the prophets. Matt, you accuse me of what you are doing yourself, you just don't like that it's about (what I presume is) your own religion rather than another one. Yes, it is much, much more visible in Islam at the moment. And it is much more violent. And we can thank God, Allah, the Flying Spaghetti Monster or our own history that Christianity has more or less got it out of its system in the time of our great-great grandparents rather than right now.

There are people in here that want Islam destroyed because it is being used by ISIS (who are being pretty selective in the parts they follow too, much like Westboro Baptist Church and various Christian terrorist groups in Africa - yet no-one calls for the elimination of Christianity, presumably because it's not affecting us). That is short-sighted and ...frankly, stupid.

I am not religious. I don't like Islam. I don't much like Catholicism either. But I -will not- condemn millions based on the acts of a few. Because that is the easy way out. And that doesn't make me a damned ISIS sympathiser no matter how much it disagrees with the world view of a few people in here.

Samaris · 12-06-2016 10:32PM

end of the road wrote: »

listen, every single religion has plenty of bollox in it that is similar to islam. plenty of people wear headscarves. all the rest is for governments to deal with. i will defend anyone who hasn't done anything wrong. anyone who has, i expect the authorities to deal with them.

Yeah, you pretty much summed it up there.

Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

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