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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #932
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    garroff wrote: »
    Please: Eir does not have 5/10/15/16/21 or 24 in my area. It has 2.4Mb.
    That is what it should try to sell in my area because that is what is avail.
    garroff wrote: »
    Exchange Code: Unknown

    DSL Enabled: Yes - 4 MB

    NGB Enabled: Yes - 4 MB

    Fibre Enabled: No

    LLU Enabled: No


    still a con job!!!!

    Well somebodies telling porkies....


  • #933
    fergus1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    garroff wrote: »
    Exchange Code: Unknown

    DSL Enabled: Yes - 4 MB

    NGB Enabled: Yes - 4 MB

    Fibre Enabled: No

    LLU Enabled: No


    still a con job!!!!

    Well somebodies telling porkies....[/quote]

    I'm stuck on the same ! 3 mb (1-2mb) and saying NGB is enabled


  • #934
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    fergus1001 wrote: »

    I'm stuck on the same ! 3 mb (1-2mb) and saying NGB is enabled

    If you're far enough from the exchange NGB won't change the max speed, only fix congestion. Within 3.3km ish then speeds increase.


  • #935
    legocrazy505
    Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭legocrazy505


    ED E wrote: »
    If you're far enough from the exchange NGB won't change the max speed, only fix congestion. Within 3.3km ish then speeds increase.

    Exactly this.

    Problem is with some exchanges (like mine) is they cover such a vast area most people in it suffer with ridiculously slow speeds. Only people at the centre of it get anything close to 24mbps that is "advanced broadband". Just the way Eircom and ComReg wonderfully thought it all through years ago and now they can't really fix it until fibre comes along.


  • #936
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,631 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    garroff wrote: »
    I understand that rural BB is slow. My point is why offer 24Mb when it is NOT available

    Let me try and explain. The equipment in your local exchange (ADSL2+ DSLAMS) is absolutely capable of doing 24Mb/s. The person who owns the house next door to the exchange is getting close to 24Mb/s. The person a street or two over might be getting 20Mb/s, the person at the other side of town might be getting 15Mb/s. The further you move from the exchange the slower the speed gets due to interference and "noise".

    Your 2.4Mb/s line is connected to exactly same equipment as the person who lives next to the exchange and gets 24Mb/s. The problem is that the further you get from the exchange, the greater that the interference on the line is, which in turn causes you to receive slower speed.

    That is why it is called "upto" 24. If you were close to the exchange, you would actually get 24.

    Every person will receive a different speed based on how far they are from the exchange and the quality of their phone line. Eir obviously can't write individual letters to everyone. Instead the advertise it as "upto" and then when you call them, they can tell you what you will actually receive.


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  • #937
    garroff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭garroff


    The governments national Broadband plans list has 35 houses in my area.
    There are numerous houses/townsland between me and my local exchange. So, Eir, when sending out the flier picked the townsland where I live as a generic address.

    I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they do not have the ability to address local areas.

    I would like to thank all who engaged in this discussion and please forgive me if I was pedantic


  • #938
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    just wondering has anyone seen Eir wire up blue line areas yet?

    The past 2 months has seen plenty of ground work and pole checking in various areas. Was a week of ducting work in my area beginning of April but nothing since. I would have thought this would be a good time for them to get wiring up the poles with the relatively long mostly dry days, rather than waiting for the autumn/winter with short, wet and often stormy days.


  • #939
    Kensei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Kensei


    It seems that this rollout has been constantly pushed back and delayed. I've made a game and I need to run a server to test multiplayer features, but since eir is so slow to deliver I will now have to travel to Dublin so that I can do the initial source control dump there...not to mention that I now have to run my stuff on googles cloud infrastructure instead of maintaining my own machine. I suppose it's for the better, but the slow internet is a major bottleneck in my development cycle.

    Just one high poly model takes me a long time to upload to the source control, if I add LoD's into the mix then it's actually cheaper to travel to Dublin back and forth, since 1 dump through mobile internet will cost me almost 50 bucks...

    Anyway, here's to hoping I won't have to suffer the 13 kb/s upload speeds next year...


  • #940
    Kensei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Kensei


    It seems that this rollout has been constantly pushed back and delayed. I've made a game and I need to run a server to test multiplayer features, but since eir is so slow to deliver I will now have to travel to Dublin so that I can do the initial source control dump there...not to mention that I now have to run my stuff on googles cloud infrastructure instead of maintaining my own machine. I suppose it's for the better, but the slow internet is a major bottleneck in my development cycle.

    Just one high poly model takes me a long time to upload to the source control, if I add LoD's into the mix then it's actually cheaper to travel to Dublin back and forth, since 1 dump through mobile internet will cost me almost 50 bucks...thank god the code is just text, and strings aren't heavy.

    Anyway, here's to hoping I won't have to suffer the 13 kb/s upload speeds next year...


  • #941
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    I'm sure you're aware but just in case, if you can get any glimmer of a 3 signal you can get unlimited data for €20/mo. Probably won't be fast but you can do nightly commits to your SVN with no excess charges.


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  • #942
    Kensei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Kensei


    ED E wrote: »
    I'm sure you're aware but just in case, if you can get any glimmer of a 3 signal you can get unlimited data for €20/mo. Probably won't be fast but you can do nightly commits to your SVN with no excess charges.

    Yeah I've been checking them out. Not only them, virgin too. Alas there is no coverage here :(


  • #943
    Pique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭Pique


    ED E wrote: »
    I'm sure you're aware but just in case, if you can get any glimmer of a 3 signal you can get unlimited data for €20/mo. Probably won't be fast but you can do nightly commits to your SVN with no excess charges.

    Isn't their unlimited data only for download?


  • #944
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Pique wrote: »
    Isn't their unlimited data only for download?

    Nope. In fact upload is usually relatively strong as its in less demand.


  • #945
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,057 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    bk wrote: »
    If Eir run into too many issues with the last 100 meters as described above, then I suspect they might go for G.Fast for these sort of hard installs *

    G.Fast will help them avoid all the messing around with blocked ducts, etc.

    * though obviously not he 800 meter run described above!! Lucky lady.

    Half way there, longest G.Fast trial line 400m
    Update Wednesday 15th June A few more snippets of information, longest operating G.fast line in trials is 400m and delivering ultrafast (100 Mbps and faster) speeds. Seven providers are taking part BT Consumer, EE, PlusNet, TalkTalk and Zen. Three different equipment vendors in the trials ADTRAN, Huawei and Nokia.

    http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/7447-update-on-g-fast-and-lr-vdsl2-trials-from-openreach.html


  • #946
    Kensei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Kensei


    I think I found a solution. I'm gonna wait for Imagine, since it looks like they will cover the rural areas way before eir or anyone else for that matter.


  • #947
    Oafley Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,545 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    Apologies if this has been answered before, but I recall seeing a post where somebody suggested contacting Eir to see if they could get the Blue line extended past their house. I've looked, but can't find the post (maybe I dreamt it up) but my question is this something you can actually do? Who do you contact... Sales?

    A fibre cabinet was installed in our village last week and it's just teasing me. We're almost 3km from it. There's a blue line that extends almost 2km outwards from it and another blue line from another exchange ends 1km on the other side of us. And we're the spot in between.

    We've Nova at the moment I'm sick of the poor speeds we're getting plus the constant issues with interference. Signs for Imagine LTE have sprung up today, but I'm concerned about the interference issue.


  • #948
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    Oafley Jones wrote: »
    Apologies if this has been answered before, but I recall seeing a post where somebody suggested contacting Eir to see if they could get the Blue line extended past their house. I've looked, but can't find the post (maybe I dreamt it up) but my question is this something you can actually do? Who do you contact... Sales?

    A fibre cabinet was installed in our village last week and it's just teasing me. We're almost 3km from it. There's a blue line that extends almost 2km outwards from it and another blue line from another exchange ends 1km on the other side of us. And we're the spot in between.

    We've Nova at the moment I'm sick of the poor speeds we're getting plus the constant issues with interference. Signs for Imagine LTE have sprung up today, but I'm concerned about the interference issue.

    I don't recall anybody saying that it was possible to get the blue lines extended.

    What has been mentioned is that, I think it was KNN guys, had been working on a blue line somewhere and a boardsie asked them about the fact the line ended before it reached his/her house. The KNN guy said the fibre would stop where the blue line said it would and go no further - end of.

    In some cases it doesn't seem to make much sense that they stopped it where they did - there may have been a small cluster of 5 or 6 houses 50m beyond the end of the blue line. But open eir have their plan. :rolleyes:

    Just FYI, the blue lines are Open eir's baby - nothing to do with eir. Open eir won't talk to the public, so there's nobody that you can call about it. :(


  • #949
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The blue line plan is great but with 100,000 premises due to be enabled by the end of this year, not a single blue line has started (aside from ducting and pole checking which I realise is a start of sorts). I really thought by mid June we would be starting to see progress in wiring the poles up. (Im still somewhat hopefull that this process will be much quicker than the initial ducting etc and that we will all be connected in time for Christmas)....

    but meanwhile while we are sittng waiting for Eir to get to our homes, Imagine are making huge progress with their wireless solution extremely quickly, initially we had a post from Cork about it, now all of a sudden within the space of 2 months there are another 8 counties with it and a detailed description of all the townlands covered with each rollout.

    I am not a huge fan of wireless tech but Imagine get the gold star for ambition, progress and website information detailing where they are covering.

    I wish Eir/Open Eir would have the same level of feedback and progress. As more and more rural homes sign up for Imagines's wireless tech as a short gap solution, this will eat away from Eir's initial uptake of FTTH very quickly if they dont get the rollout activated into homes soon enough.


  • #950
    knipex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭knipex


    Gonzo wrote: »
    The blue line plan is great but with 100,000 premises due to be enabled by the end of this year, not a single blue line has started (aside from ducting and pole checking which I realise is a start of sorts). I really thought by mid June we would be starting to see progress in wiring the poles up. (Im still somewhat hopefull that this process will be much quicker than the initial ducting etc and that we will all be connected in time for Christmas).....

    Not this year. By March 17.


  • #951
    daraghwal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭daraghwal


    knipex wrote: »
    Not this year. By March 17.

    On the openeir map many blue line exchanges were updated from March 2017 (the date given on the press release back in March 2016) to Autumn/Winter 2016 or Winter 2016/17.


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  • #952
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Oafley Jones wrote: »
    We've Nova at the moment I'm sick of the poor speeds we're getting plus the constant issues with interference. Signs for Imagine LTE have sprung up today, but I'm concerned about the interference issue.

    Nova/Bluebix/rocket/KerryBB etc may interfere with each other, Imagine FibreConnect is a licensed band and won't interfere or be subject to interference.


  • #953
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    Gonzo wrote: »
    ...
    but meanwhile while we are sittng waiting for Eir to get to our homes, Imagine are making huge progress with their wireless solution extremely quickly, initially we had a post from Cork about it, now all of a sudden within the space of 2 months there are another 8 counties with it and a detailed description of all the townlands covered with each rollout.

    ...
    I wish Eir/Open Eir would have the same level of feedback and progress. As more and more rural homes sign up for Imagines's wireless tech as a short gap solution, this will eat away from Eir's initial uptake of FTTH very quickly if they dont get the rollout activated into homes soon enough.

    ermmmm ... I'm no eir fanboy, but I think the following regular updates from @marno21 since 18th of May, kinda puts Imagine in the haypenny place:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=99759776&postcount=2560
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=99834363&postcount=2577
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=99927246&postcount=2605
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=99979334&postcount=2615
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100048407&postcount=2626

    We are on a FTTH thread here, but Imagine are delivering FTTC level speeds. So eir have enabled 19,072 homes, 521 of which were FTTH and the remainder were FTTC.

    How many have Imagine delivered? I don't know, because they're only doing 400 people on a mast and also don't make that information publicly known, so it's kinda hard to compare. :rolleyes:


  • #954
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Only speculating here but I'd imagine open eir will finish the FTTC rollout before moving onto the FTTH.

    Also likelyhood that a lot of areas still don't have fibre backhaul connectivity so will need that first, which could be done in conjunction with the FTTC rollout to said areas.


  • #955
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,991 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Gonzo wrote: »
    The blue line plan is great but with 100,000 premises due to be enabled by the end of this year, not a single blue line has started (aside from ducting and pole checking which I realise is a start of sorts). I really thought by mid June we would be starting to see progress in wiring the poles up. (Im still somewhat hopefull that this process will be much quicker than the initial ducting etc and that we will all be connected in time for Christmas)....

    but meanwhile while we are sittng waiting for Eir to get to our homes, Imagine are making huge progress with their wireless solution extremely quickly, initially we had a post from Cork about it, now all of a sudden within the space of 2 months there are another 8 counties with it and a detailed description of all the townlands covered with each rollout.

    I am not a huge fan of wireless tech but Imagine get the gold star for ambition, progress and website information detailing where they are covering.

    I wish Eir/Open Eir would have the same level of feedback and progress. As more and more rural homes sign up for Imagines's wireless tech as a short gap solution, this will eat away from Eir's initial uptake of FTTH very quickly if they dont get the rollout activated into homes soon enough.
    I think open Eir's online maps are great. I was trying to find out if our cabinet here in our town near Berlin was ever going to be upgraded and there was no way to find out anything. I was sure it was inside the restricted area around the exchange (cabinets within 550m cable length of the exchange may not be equipped with outdoor DSLAMs for VDSL as the signal is judged to cause too much interference with ADSL from the exchange.)

    Turns out Deutsche Telekom have started upgrade works for VDSL with vectoring. First I knew of it they were out digging and I could ask them in person. Their level of information is very poor compared to Ireland.


  • #956
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    marno21 wrote: »
    Only speculating here but I'd imagine open eir will finish the FTTC rollout before moving onto the FTTH.

    Also likelyhood that a lot of areas still don't have fibre backhaul connectivity so will need that first, which could be done in conjunction with the FTTC rollout to said areas.
    You had a number of 186 cabinets still to do in another post. Is that abut 3 months work given the weekly numbers you've been posting?

    There was just one of your posts that had FTTH figure. There must be more -could find no mention of the Balrothery/Balbriggan ones.

    Just trying t get my head around the goal of 100,000 blue line homes by Dec/Mar '17. I could see how they might be able to do 2,000 a wek once FTTC is out of the way, but that first 100,000 by next March is surely unachievable.


  • #957
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    Gonzo wrote: »
    The blue line plan is great but with 100,000 premises due to be enabled by the end of this year, not a single blue line has started (aside from ducting and pole checking which I realise is a start of sorts). I really thought by mid June we would be starting to see progress in wiring the poles up. (Im still somewhat hopefull that this process will be much quicker than the initial ducting etc and that we will all be connected in time for Christmas)....

    but meanwhile while we are sittng waiting for Eir to get to our homes, Imagine are making huge progress with their wireless solution extremely quickly, initially we had a post from Cork about it, now all of a sudden within the space of 2 months there are another 8 counties with it and a detailed description of all the townlands covered with each rollout.

    I am not a huge fan of wireless tech but Imagine get the gold star for ambition, progress and website information detailing where they are covering.

    I wish Eir/Open Eir would have the same level of feedback and progress. As more and more rural homes sign up for Imagines's wireless tech as a short gap solution, this will eat away from Eir's initial uptake of FTTH very quickly if they dont get the rollout activated into homes soon enough.
    Gonzo, stop feeling left out, There is a pause with what can be doe with regard to clearing trees etc from lines, due to the prohibition of doing anything with trees hedges etc during the months from 1st march to 31st august!
    Now on topic but off topic how are imagine able to get away with installing new masts and thereby interfering with the NBP...without a word...Is it because they cannot get 100% coverage for every customer within the area due to line of sight etc... and the future upgrade feasibility and no dropping of speed due to contention...


  • #958
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I think im just more frustrated with certain lack of information over everything else. I realise Eir have done a great job of FTTC and the blue line scheme looks really good when you see it mapped on the openeir website however it's just certain little details which are really annoying.

    The open eir map is wonderfull for viewing FTTC cabinets, it really is down to the last meter and positions are exact.

    The information on FTTH is very vague tho and that's whats annoying. The blue lines do indeed show where they are planning to run fibre but they haven't really given any information when lines are gonna be started.

    The whereandwhen page originally gave a list of areas within each county where work is being carried out and further down was a list of areas to be included with FTTH.

    Sadly these pages never really got updated and over the past month all the county links were replaced with a new page with even less information. The pages are now all generic with information like 'x' number of homes to get fibre in county 'x' by 2020. I thought they were gonna update these pages to give even more information, as a while back there was a survey on the website asking users how can the service be improved and even asked for the eircode for your home!.

    Lets hope they are working on this where individuals will be able to check their premises using the Eircode system, and finally put use to it!


  • #959
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I think im just more frustrated with certain lack of information over everything else. I realise Eir have done a great job of FTTC and the blue line scheme looks really good when you see it mapped on the openeir website however it's just certain little details which are really annoying.

    The open eir map is wonderfull for viewing FTTC cabinets, it really is down to the last meter and positions are exact.

    The information on FTTH is very vague tho and that's whats annoying. The blue lines do indeed show where they are planning to run fibre but they haven't really given any information when lines are gonna be started.

    The whereandwhen page originally gave a list of areas within each county where work is being carried out and further down was a list of areas to be included with FTTH.

    Sadly these pages never really got updated and over the past month all the county links were replaced with a new page with even less information. The pages are now all generic with information like 'x' number of homes to get fibre in county 'x' by 2020. I thought they were gonna update these pages to give even more information, as a while back there was a survey on the website asking users how can the service be improved and even asked for the eircode for your home!.

    Lets hope they are working on this where individuals will be able to check their premises using the Eircode system, and finally put use to it!

    I think the usless eircode is being done for the NBP down the road so to speak, as in nothing to do with eir..
    Yes less info now but when things start to roll the map will have more info in relation to each and every blueline area from the exchange bubble that will pop up explaining how many houses are fed with FTTC... maybe the map will get more detailed as each line area is completed...


  • #960
    Oafley Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,545 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    ED E wrote: »
    Nova/Bluebix/rocket/KerryBB etc may interfere with each other, Imagine FibreConnect is a licensed band and won't interfere or be subject to interference.

    Sorry this is still OT, but I've noticed that when our Nova connection gets squirrelly our 3G on our phones seems to go to pot as well. This is why I'm wary of LTE.


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  • #961
    daraghwal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭daraghwal


    Oafley Jones wrote: »
    Sorry this is still OT, but I've noticed that when our Nova connection gets squirrelly our 3G on our phones seems to go to pot as well. This is why I'm wary of LTE.

    No need to be wary. It's a different system. The only risk to performance when it is set up and working is congestion against your neighbours who are with imagines LTE service as well. That and the fact that it will become nothing compared to Fibre in the future


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