Losing weight, and getting toned... naturally?

tomED

Sorry tunney - but you have to start somewhere... and i never claimed to give expert advice - only adivce on what has helped me and what i have been told.

tomED

and moderators arent always right either.....

or am i allowed to say that or will i be kicked off?? lol

tunney

I know you have to start somewhere - I just wanted to point out that with your limited experience odds are that you're not right.

tomED

yep fair point. but if what i have done has allowed me to acheive my goals are the odds not back in my favour?

or at least it is information that someone else maybe able to acheive their goals by sticking to it!

i would have to say its probably a lot tougher to get to where i have after being overweith and unfit than being fit and tryin to acheive what i achevied....

tunney

"i would have to say its probably a lot tougher to get to where i have after being overweith and unfit than being fit and tryin to acheive what i achevied...." TomED

Oh I know what that is like, I was extremely overweight 18 months ago, body fat percentage of about 35% at least, now down to 15% (at most) and ran the mens 10k thingy yesterday in 49 mins. Not an amazing time, but not too bad either.

Fair balls to you for achieving your goals, I really do whole heartedly congratulate you, all I'm saying is that perhaps there may have been an easier way to achieve your goals

tomED

its great getting a congrats so congrats to you too!

But to be honest..... i thought it was extremely easy to acheive....................................................

tunney

What height are you TomED?

tomED

5' 9" - is that how ye write it?

tunney

5' 9" Thats how you write it. You're 5' 9" and 9.5 stone right? If so I SERIOUSLY suggest you look at your training regime. Someone that height that is training hard at weights should not be that light, no where near that light.

What does your average workout consist of? And no lying, alot can be told by someones weight and height.

tomED

AS i said I take it very easily!!! Im not looking for a bigger build i like being lean and toned! I just want to put oin an extra half stone - but sure i could do that if i didnt go toilet for 2 days! lol!!!

I workout with weights 3 times a week.. actually its probably better to do it in a list.

This is my latest workout routine btw!

Monday:

1 hour game of football
30 mins weight lifting in the morning consisting of:
pull-ups (on bar) for biceps
free dumbbell weights (biceps)(2 sets of 12,5kg)
2 triceps excerises (overhead and overhead lying down) (2 sets of 12,5kg)
my chest exercise is straingt out of a mag - workin wonders for me at the mo!
45Kg - inclined with 12 reps then straight to flatbench (no rest) for 15 reps (two sets)
3 sets of 12 pressups
30kg barbell overhead lunges
10kg (each dumbbell) fly shoulder exercise


Tuesday

20 min run
ab exercises

wednesday
weight training as per above

thursday

1 hour football
ab exercises

friday
weights as per above

saturday
rest

sunday
ab exercises

hows that for pure and utter unstructured exercising!

tunney

Well other than the fact that you are completely ignoring your back and legs......

If you do alot of chest work and/or ab work you HAVE to do your back as well. For every muscle group you work you HAVE to work the opposing one. Otherwise that can cause serious problems.

What are you doing about upping weights? How are you judging when to increase?

tomED

im not ignoring my back or my legs.

i do the lunges for my thighs and the rest are being built naturally by running.

my back is being accounted for with my shoulders exercises and the exercies i do with the chin up bar. didnt make that obviuos.

upping weights
once i am able to comfartably lift my weights - i increase the weight im lifintg by 10%

tunney

Thighs only? An imbalance between hamstrings and thighs can cause soooooo many problems. Chin ups only really work your back if you use the correct grip, and then they don't work your biceps(really).

It sounds as if your a member of a gym, if so ask a professional to work out a proper programme for you. You'll benifit alot from it.

tomED

yes the chin bar does help biceps but as you say its all down to grip.

Again this is my latest routine - i have only adapted it in the last week.

Fair point about legs.

tell me this please is running not enough? I have always all through my life had big legs - and i mean muscly legs (upper half anyway) i dont want them any bigger i just want strength so i can improve my sprinting speed for football.

is running not enough anyway?

thanks

logic1

Sorry but that looks like a horrible work out routine.

Are you a pre-teen girl?

And running is not good for muscle building, it is a catabolic activity not conducive to retention and increase of lean body mass.

So far on this forum I've seen you continually hint that the moderator is incorrect because apparently Mens Health is the koran of body building and you dedicate your life to studing it and aspiring to the massive, chisselled 160lb physiques that adorn every page.

Then you come along with the most horrendous, unstructured, beginners weight regime I have ever seen.

You'd do well to stick around here a while, drop the attitude and listen to the advice of those more knowledgable, more experienced and generally less obtrusive.

Also you say you've hit your goal easily, your goal was to drop from 15stone to 9 at 5'9"? Jesus maybe youneed a bit of a reassesment.

Also you're throwing the word "Toned" around quite alot. There is no such thing as "tone" it's simply lean body mass coupled with low bodyfat.

Do you think if you train hard you're going to explode in rippling muscle within months? It's not that easy I'm afraid. Also I'm eagerly awaiting your "links" which prove all your posts correct.

.logic.

tomED

Originally posted by logic1
Sorry but that looks like a horrible work out routine.

Are you a pre-teen girl?

Whoever said I wasn't!!! LOL.

Originally posted by logic1
And running is not good for muscle building, it is a catabolic activity not conducive to retention and increase of lean body mass.

This was actually the point i was trying to get across in my original post - but don;t have all thos fancy phrases you use. Am i right that you are sayin that it doesnt help building body mass if you are running?

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Originally posted by logic1
So far on this forum I've seen you continually hint that the moderator is incorrect because apparently Mens Health is the koran of body building and you dedicate your life to studing it and aspiring to the massive, chisselled 160lb physiques that adorn every page.

Eh sorry, i have only questioned what he has to say - i do want to learn, but i just don't believe in dictatorship. If someone has an opinion fair enuff, but if they refuse to listen to someone elses thats not a very healthy environment for people to learn. It would be like if microsoft were here telling us the best way to write html... how many of us would stick around?

Originally posted by logic1
Then you come along with the most horrendous, unstructured, beginners weight regime I have ever seen.

As i said it is unstructered - but at the moment i am getting results from it - so why change?

Originally posted by logic1
You'd do well to stick around here a while, drop the attitude and listen to the advice of those more knowledgable, more experienced and generally less obtrusive.

To be honest i find the people on the mens health site a little more helpful and not as up their own arses as they are in here. I came lookin for advice. The only person that has been nice to me has been tunney..... i passes on what all you feel is bad advice. OK im sorry for that... what can this person that originally posted get from this??? Two things

1. what the majority of you in here think is right
2. and what you think is wrong

Luckily this person has learned a lot from our conversation, but im none the wiser, all i know is that i have been kicked to the ground for suggesting something and then complaining about dictatorship.

Sorry i thought this was a forum for free speech. obvoiuosly not. Its obviuosly a place that is run by people who love being right all the time and hate anyone throwing any alternative suggestions at them....

Originally posted by logic1
Do you think if you train hard you're going to explode in rippling muscle within months? It's not that easy I'm afraid.

Eh no - as i have constantly stated am i extremely happy with my TONED body. Don't want it any bigger, dont want it any smaller.......

tunney

TomED, don't be discouraged, you're on the right track, you just need to talk to a professional about what your goals are and they will tell you the best way to achieve them.

Running is not enough to build up leg muscles, go to ww.runnersworld.com or the like and they will all recommend a series of leg exercises, both to prevent injury and to improve running. Leg extensions to combat knee injuries, leg curls to prevent imbalances between quads and hamstrings, squats to improve sprinting and hill climbing. In short running is not enough. Personally however leg exercises are the ones I most frequently skip, solely cause my legs can't handle the amount of running and cycling I do when combined with weights. If I could drive the 7 miles to the gym I am in I would and then i would do the leg work.

As for physique, at 5'9" you should be heavier if you are serious about bulking up. When I started about 18months ago I was about 35% fat and 15 stone, after a year I was 25% fat and 12 stone 9, In the last 6 months I've gone down to 15% fat and am 12 stone 6. Yes I still need to drop some lard but the point I am trying to make is it is possible to lose fat but stay the same weight. Don't concentrate on losing weight, rather on losing fat.

Change your goals, set some goals like "I want to bench 80kg in 4 months", "I want a six pack", "I want to run 5 minute miles".

just my two cents,

tomED

cheers man - i really appreciate i have learned a lot from you.

Im not discouraged with training or working out. I just love keeping fit. I don't wat to build muslce at this stage i enjoy lifting weighta and running to keep fit.

I no longer have an ultimate goal becuase i am completely happy with my body. Im in maintenance mode really.

The only thing i was discouraged with was the lack of help and snobbery of this board....

i feel like an outcast now

i just wanted to tell people that i had achevied the body i wanted without too much work and without gettin into detail....
maybe that was my problem... detail....

but i would have like to hear a nicer response, just like yours, from other people!

ah well!!!!

logic1

Originally posted by tomED
i just wanted to tell people that i had achevied the body i wanted without too much work and without gettin into detail....
maybe that was my problem... detail....

but i would have like to hear a nicer response, just like yours, from other people!

ah well!!!!

Why don't you head on over to the CTYI board. They'll give you a kiss and a {{{HUG}}} and make you feel all good about yourself.

:rolleyes:

.logic.

tomED

lol

sad...

Amz

Logic don't be mean.

TomED I think you hit the nail on the head with the point about detail! when advising/helping someone as you were it is important to give detail, not too much detail just enough sufficient information so that they will get the most out of your advice I think the people here were just in their own special way trying to draw that detail out from your posts.

tomED

ok i have learned my lesson!!

please love me people!! lol

tunney

HAHAHAAHA just finished here and then read http://www.runnersworld.com/home/0,1300,1-0-0-890X577X527,00.html

basically

"Nutrition

Lift weights to lose weight
If you've been running regularly but still have a few pounds that won't budge, add strength training to your exercise routine. The extra muscle you build will allow you to burn more calories all day long, which will help you lose those last stubborn pounds."

Think this should clear it up, weights can make you burn more calories but the act of lifting them is not what burns them!!!

tomED

Woohoo there is a god.

still i didn't get it right - but loosely i did lol (well thats my story and imsticking to it!) lol

tomED

oh and before anyone replies and gives out to me!!! IM ONLY JOKING!

Jak

I think this thread should die now.

JAK.