EsatBT Residential ADSL

Paulw

Well, I got the new residential ADSL installed today. I had a few initial teething problems (authentication), but it works fine.

I've had it working over an hour now, and it seems very good.

I haven't checked any ping times, but if you have any servers you want me to verify against ... let me know.

Anyone else got it ordered ?? I believe I'm one of the first installed.

williamb

Just curious, what exchange are you on ?

eth0_

How is the 30 min and every 24 hr cut off affecting you?
Of course it's fast ...NOW, wait till more people in your area get it, it *is* 50:1

saik

kali.ign.ie
www.esreality.com

if the legends are true, you should be getting 30 ping to the esreality one, meaning 30ping dsl to the uk. woot.

there's a CUT OFF on DSL!?!

eth0_

Originally posted by saik

there's a CUT OFF on DSL!?!

Yes, if your connection is inactive for 30 mins it gets disconnected, and it's disconnected every 24 hours regardless (this is all mentioned on the T&C on the contract you're sent out to sign btw), probably because the contention ratio is so high, it'll go someway to keeping the speed pretty high....but it's a big reason why I didn't get res dsl myself, my line failed but I'd like to have a faster connection and a static IP.

parasite

that's fair enough, it only takes a couple of seconds to reconnect, boo hoo
how many weeks was it from your order to installation ???

eth0_

Originally posted by parasite
that's fair enough, it only takes a couple of seconds to reconnect, boo hoo

Less than a second actually :P
But my problem with that would be running servers and if you were downloading stuff and were cut off, and apparently keep alives don't work on it.

Getting the 1mb myself when I move house next month, 256k isn't much of a step up from ISDN really

SkepticOne

Not sure what they are going to achieve with these idle cut-offs. If you are active, the only resource you are taking up is an IP address. Are these in short supply with Esat?

eth0_

As i said, it's to do with speed, if there's 50 users on one line, then it's going to be very slow. I'd imagine they get kicked off to stop hogging bandwidth.

Or, they could be crippling this product to make the 512k product look a million times better and stop business users using it. Actually, that's more plausible.

MagicBusDriver

This idle disconnect thing cannot be true. It would be ****ing disgrace, You would be better off on 512k.

eth0_

Originally posted by MagicBusDriver
This idle disconnect thing cannot be true. It would be ****ing disgrace, You would be better off on 512k.

It *IS* true. If you read what I said, it's on the T+C's of the signup contract you're sent by EsatBT.

It's not THAT bad, most people won't even notice they've been disconnected. Unless you're running a server, but then that's against the terms and conditions too :P

DeVore

so let me get this right... if you are hogging bandwidth like a mofo... you get kicked every 24 hours.

If you are idle you get kicked every 30 minutes?


*BOGGLE*

DeV.

Paulw

Right,

I'm on the Dun Laoghaire exchange. I've been waiting about 4 weeks from order to install. Not too bad.

ping time to kali.ign.ie is 16ms

I can't seem to ping www.esreality.com

I haven't noticed the disconnect, but then again, I'm not constantly on the PC.

My mail prog will reconnect when it checks mail (every 10 min). The connect time is approx. 1 sec.

RapierX

sounds like bollox, why dont they firewall pornsites for you too, then say u can only download at 16 k/sec and advertise its the fastest home connection since ISDN!

BKtje

any chance you could ping

195.149.21.73

its a Jolt server. If pings decent i may be tempted, tho id muscle in on ur contention

Also in Dun Laoghaire

MagicBusDriver

That would be a serious pain for file-sharing and the like. What is esat explanation for this?

eth0_

Originally posted by MagicBusDriver
That would be a serious pain for file-sharing and the like. What is esat explanation for this?

I have never heard an 'official' explanation, but I imagine it's purely to cripple the service so people who'll use it the heaviest, and businesses, will go for the business options.

Dev - yep, disconnect every 24 hours and after 30 mins idling. But sure just leave your mail client configged to check every 15 mins or whatever, as I said, a lot of people wouldn't notice the disconnect. I mean, if you're going to set yourself up as a server for anything then it'd be idiotic to even have res dsl in the first place, what with the cap.

nahdoic

It could also be to stop people's computers being so easily hacked. Especially if it's for residential use, do they force you to use a firewall for the residential one?

KdjaCL

Can get un-idle programs easy and most bad bad bad p2p programs have ICH (regardless of ISP ) the file will resume.

That 30 min thing and the 24 hour hour cut off makes Istream look a better option.

So technically they cant even mention the word "always on" or anything related to it in any advertising as its clearly not.

kdjac

eth0_

Originally posted by KdjaC
Can get un-idle programs easy and most bad bad bad p2p programs have ICH (regardless of ISP ) the file will resume.

I said keep alives supposedly won't work on it..
Are you sure eircom's dsl won't have cut off's on it too? I bet you it will!

Paulw

ping to 195.149.21.73 is 25ms.

It's easy to keep the connect open, and very easy to reconnect. I guess the only problem would be possibly getting a new IP each time you connect.

Doesn't bother me too much anyway.

crawler

The 30 min thing - you can easily run keep alives - loads of them out there that will keep a DSL connection "alive"

The 24 hour refresh thing - you cant get around this and it is to stop you running broadcast servers of any kind - DNS , MX etc.....this is deliberate. Check out http://www.dslwebserver.com/ for some interesting musings.

ADSL is a home/low end SME product - it is not really supposed to be used for anything else....dont get me wrong, I am not defending EsatBT but I couldnt really hang them for it either.

Son of Blam

Has anybody on Esat's residential DSL connection actually got disconnected after being on for 24 hours, or idle for 30 minutes?

Remember when Esat brought in a "we'll disconnect you every three hours" plan for nolimits, but they never implemented that.

Snaga

Originally posted by eth0_
I said keep alives supposedly won't work on it..
Are you sure eircom's dsl won't have cut off's on it too? I bet you it will!

A keepalive is nothing more than valid traffic across the interface on the router that handles your dialup connection, this is usually ping traffic.

The idle disconnect works on the basis of a counter that is reset to 0 everytime traffic travels across the interface, if it reaches a set time then the connection is closed.

Ive never heard of any isp differentiate between ping and other types of traffic, e.g. http, for an idle timeout, its silly and will cause agro in the long run for the isp.

So in short, Ill take that bet

SkepticOne

The only thing that seems to make sense is nadoic's suggestion that it is to take users offline to prevent hacking of their systems, but this could probably be dealt with better through 'dial on demand' style settings at the client end.

The idle cutoff can't be justified on the basis of speeding up the system for other users since these idle users would not have been using up any bandwidth.

crazyasafox

I know alot of people say there is not a whole lot between eircom+esat but if you look at the times they speak for themselves.Keep in mind it took Paulw's connection 25ms for the same site

This is a I-stream 512k eircom connection

Pinging 195.149.21.73 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.73: bytes=32 time=77ms TTL=122
Reply from 195.149.21.73: bytes=32 time=77ms TTL=122
Reply from 195.149.21.73: bytes=32 time=77ms TTL=122
Reply from 195.149.21.73: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=122

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.73:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 77ms, Maximum = 78ms, Average = 77ms

eth0_

Originally posted by Snaga

Ive never heard of any isp differentiate between ping and other types of traffic, e.g. http, for an idle timeout, its silly and will cause agro in the long run for the isp.

So in short, Ill take that bet

I found it hard to believe myself but someone in the know told me they could detect keep alive, i'll take their words with a pinch of salt next time

flav0rflav

EsatBT I believe are running fast mode adsl, not interleaved as for Eircom. BT in the uk typically use fast mode.

For me this is a point in favour of EsatBT, if you're more interested in low latency rather than reduced line errors.

eth0_

Is it true Eircom are using RADSL now and it's increased the max distance from 2.5km to 3.5km? Anyone know if Esat are going to extend their max distance?

Krusty_Clown

Hewy, where can I find out more about Esat's residential offering?
Cannot seem to find any references to it on their website...
(or am I quite simply blind?)

Krusty_Clown

I see that I am indeed blind and stoopid!
Just checked-out the sticky, and found all of the relevant info there..