RTE-Time Keeping/Channel content and Rte , Net2 , Tv3 , Fta?

jez

When watching some programmes on RTE,mainly Eastenders,Fair City etc..the programmes always start almost two minutes early.
Why? This is crazy.People will miss the start of programmes.Also
why is Euronews on both RTE 1 and TG4 every morning at the same time. That is also crazy. Surely one of the channels could be creative and show something else. RTE have been left behind by TV3 in this respect...Come on stations you are capable of much more efficiency and better programme quality at all times.

Our man in Havana

Its to do with adverising.

They can now get the ads on 2 mins earlier than before!

Here in Ireland things are always done differently-nothing is ever to the second and that includes television:p
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icdg

Nothing compared to the atrocious timekeeping that is ITV1 after 7pm...they really should buy themselves a clock...And don't talk to me about News at Ten...which has never been at ten since it returned!

(And to think that UTV were still using one onscreen a mere two years ago...).

jez

Anyone got anything to say in relation to having Euronews on the two channels early in morning. Pure waste of licence payers money I'd say. For starters anyone with Sky Dig can get Euronews day and night if they want.Should RTE not be looking at a BBC Breakfast news type programme ..It would go down well I'd say. We're brainwashed with GMTV etcc...

mike65

If you're worried about RTE starting progs two minutes early you should be glad you're too young to remember the days when by about 10.30-11.00 programmes were typically running 15 mins late! (and they'd be at least one technical snafu per evening just to keep things really interesting)

Thank god RTE was'nt 24 hrs back then as they'd have met themselves coming back!

Mike.

DMC

Originally posted by jez
Anyone got anything to say in relation to having Euronews on the two channels early in morning. Pure waste of licence payers money I'd say. For starters anyone with Sky Dig can get Euronews day and night if they want.Should RTE not be looking at a BBC Breakfast news type programme ..It would go down well I'd say. We're brainwashed with GMTV etcc...

Anything is better than DMTV....(Daily Mail TV)

I don't find the Euronews rebroadcast an issue, frankly. If anything, TV3's experience is that the light and fluffy breakfast show has no audience over here, and GMTV are, unfortunately the best at that. So if the tried and trusted formula doesn't really work here, then how is a news driven RTÉ breakfast programme going to get an audience?

How can Euronews be construed as a waste of money anyway? Euronews is brekkie TV on the cheap. A home produced programme would be more of a waste, because of the cost involved for that tiny an audience at that time of day.

For me, RTÉ have done good in extending Morning Ireland to 7am. Its better than any TV breakfast show.

jez

Why should we commend RTE for doing stuff on the cheap. We're paying a licence fee for which we should get more. Why can't they be proactive like TV3. Maybe they can't get presenters to start work that early! We're always fobbed off with the cost angle by RTE . We're basically subsidising the holiday camp that is
RTE and if people like you are happy with this there is no hope.
Remember events such as Turkey v Ireland four years ago we couldn't see. The list is endless. RTE need to produce..

DMC

And be charged a million dollars for an Irish international? Get real! RTÉ were held to ransom, and every rightminded person in the country knew that the price being charged by that Turkish satellite operator was well over inflated.

Remember, RTÉ paid IR£2m for the rights to this years World Cup, which is good value for money.

RTÉ is not the BBC. RTÉ do not have endless financial reserves or pots of gold. BBC has around 17 or 18 million licence fee payers, at over £120stg a pop. RTÉ has over €100 from less than 1/2 million licence payers, plus advertising.

When you've done the maths, leave a copy on my desk before you leave.

Quick example. The general election coverage during the count will take over a lot of RTÉ's non-news staff. For instance, the accounts, HR and technical staff will be used to gather and compile the results, while RTÉ will have cameras at all 42 constituency counts, not forgetting the resources they have to provide for TG4 and radio. A mammoth operation and quite a feat.

One other thing that has stopped brekkie TV on RTÉ has been union problems. But aside from that, I bet they are glad that TV3 have tried, and have seen what the audience is exactly like.

Elmo

Why should we commend RTE for doing stuff on the cheap. We're paying a licence fee for which we should get more. Why can't they be proactive like TV3. Maybe they can't get presenters to start work that early! We're always fobbed off with the cost angle by RTE . We're basically subsidising the holiday camp that is

Ok i am sorry but emm TV3 make a morning show that is the pits and your giving out to RTE for not make the same mistake.

TV3 have not made any Irish Drama so far, they have been on the air for nearly 4 years and have made no drama and yet TG4 that have less money in the kitty have made plenty of Drama and good Drama at that.

TV3 make no other TV programmes except for News the rest is bought in do you think that RTE would be right to make a channel like TV3 and just have a morning show and news and that is it.

Proactive TV3 ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha lol lol lol.

Sorry to tell you that TV3 is the holiday camp making lots and lots of money, with cheap and unoriginal Programming. Who cares whats on in the morning. Prime Time TV needs more money then any Morning show.

Elmo

The audience is there for Sockys little big morning show which gets more viewers then Ireland AM. It would be a waste of the lience fee for a morning show.

Elmo

The Turkey Ireland match TV3 was around then and they also did not buy the rights as they were way to expensive. 1,000,000 pounds the turkish company were look for.

jez

Friends,

You all obviously think RTE are walking on water. I give up.
One final point, why do we all panic when
1. The cable gets cut off,
2.The satellite dish moves,
3. BBC or ITV go on strike.

ANSWER -Because we have to watch RTE...!!!! I rest my case.

DMC

Originally posted by jez
You all obviously think RTE are walking on water.

No. I don't think RTÉ is the most perfect TV company in the world, all of them have their flaws, including the BBC. But I am a defender of public service television, and especially those on meagre resources. I cant stand the way people say, "Isn't RTÉ shoite", and their only retort is "because it is!" They do a helluva lot of decent TV, they can do better, but I do not want them to squander money at projects or programmes that will not be watched or be useless. Which brings us back to why Euronews is on in the mornings and not a home produced show.

I give up.
One final point, why do we all panic when
1. The cable gets cut off,
2.The satellite dish moves,
3. BBC or ITV go on strike.

ANSWER -Because we have to watch RTE...!!!! I rest my case.

RTÉ stands up there with the best of them. RTÉ's only problem is that they are beside the country that produces the best TV in the world, which we can readily receive, and for that, we are spoilt.

Originally posted by icdg
Nothing compared to the atrocious timekeeping that is ITV1 after 7pm...they really should buy themselves a clock...And don't talk to me about News at Ten...which has never been at ten since it returned!

(And to think that UTV were still using one onscreen a mere two years ago...).

That is very true:
I think the ITV controlers were majorly pi**ed off with having to bring it back.
The back door method of destroying a programmes audience is to do what ITV do with News at Ten.
Basically it's fingers up to those that forced them to bring it back.
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Elmo

quote<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Friends,

You all obviously think RTE are walking on water. I give up.
One final point, why do we all panic when
1. The cable gets cut off,
2.The satellite dish moves,
3. BBC or ITV go on strike.

ANSWER -Because we have to watch RTE...!!!! I rest my case

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Have the BBC or ITV gone on strike? what about sky?

I only recently got the other channels have to say i dont know why, as RTE show everything that they show and more.

By the way there are two other channels in Ireland TV3 and TG4.

Who gives a s hite about time keeping anyway your watching telly you proably have nothing else to do, are all late night news show ever going to actually get a 11 or 10 beginning. News 2 AND News tonight never on at the same time every night.

jez

RTE might be Public Service Broadcasting but the have "loads and loads" of advertising which they are making big money off.
I agree they produce some good TV ,but Jesus they show some absolute rubbish. ie. Network 2(Kids stuff all day) RTE ,actually show repeats of "Who wants to be a millionaire" They be better off showing 3-4 new shows a week and make real money and capture the imagination of the public. Gaybo probably won't do it.
Thats typical of RTE'S half hearted approach.

chernobyl

When a television station launches its own ad campaign to state "did you know, TV ads are not that expensive and all" and directs them at joe the butcher and michael the grocer, then that implies to me that they are "broke" in any sense of the word.

/word

carrolls

Madman is correct. RTE are not broke, they are just over fed and under worked.
They need a good pruning. In real terms, they need to fire half of their workforce. Get rid of the Trade unions. Get rid of the RTESO.
Get rid of dead wood like Gerry Ryan and Pat Kenny. With the money they save, buy back the rights to live Saturday Permiership and FA cup games next season.
Let the GAA go to Sky PPV and don't win any more Eurovisions.
That is the Carrolls Number1 manifesto for the future health of our beloved National station.

jez

This is a comment by "Carrolls" on Digital Satellite Thread.
I'm not the only RTE fanatic around.
Well played Carrolls.

"Madman is correct. RTE are not broke, they are just over fed and under worked.
They need a good pruning. In real terms, they need to fire half of their workforce. Get rid of the Trade unions. Get rid of the RTESO.
Get rid of dead wood like Gerry Ryan and Pat Kenny. With the money they save, buy back the rights to live Saturday Permiership and FA cup games next season.
Let the GAA go to Sky PPV and don't win any more Eurovisions.
That is the Carrolls Number1 manifesto for the future health of our beloved National station."

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by jez
This is a comment by "Carrolls" buy back the rights to live Saturday Permiership and FA cup games next season

it would be a bit ambitious for RTÉ to get live Saturday Premiership games. RTÉ only ever showed delayed coverage which started 30 minutes after kick off. it would be nice to see that back again. it would also be good if live Saturday afternoon FA Cup games returned

Mossy Monk

i would love to know how much the so called "stars" at Montrose get paid

DMC

Release PSB commitments like the orchestras so we can pay premiership footballers more money?

(Taps side of temple)

Its them that's over paid and under worked, not RTÉ staff!

We should be putting more of our licence money into domestic sport rather than into England's sports, where they have enough money to maintain their football. RTÉ cover the GAA brilliantly, and they should cover the national games, but I agree that the GAA are not playing fair at the moment regarding satellite..

And Gerry Ryan and Pat Kenny, no matter what you say, they are still very popular broadcasters. If RTÉ got rid of them, I'm sure the independent sector will be clamouring over themselves to get them to sign.

A stronger argument, please! (and this is already open on the Irish TV forum)

carrolls

I think that the notion of public service broadcasting is a dated
artefact (pardon the pun) from the 60's and 70's when the governments of sovereign states had more control over peoples viewing habits.
For example in 1962 if RTE decided to show a documentary on
St. Thomas Aquinus, everybody in large parts of the country had to watch it if they wanted to watch television.
This was around the time it was considered a good idea for RTE to employ an orchestra.
Maybe RTE needed one in 1962, but these days it is irrelevant
to broadcasting. ( I'm not saying its irrelevant period, only to broadcasting)
I mean when was the last time any amount of people sat down to watch a concert broadcast by the RTESO.
The RTESO should not be financed using TV License funds.
ART and TV don't have the same association they did in 1962.

triple-play

Everytime you pay your licence fee you are helping to put TV3, Today FM and all the local radio stations out of business.
RTE gets all the licence fee but they also get to tap the advertising market. They should not have it both ways.
Why is RTE's News public service broadcasting and TV3's isn't? Why is 2FM public service broadcasting and Newstalk 106 isn't? The current licence fee system is absolute crap. It doesn't encourage RTE to be more efficient -they get the 100m euro one way or the other.

I'll ask again, why should RTE be able to use licence fee money to outbid TV3 for Friends or ER? This is not why I pay my licence fee.

The licence fee should go into a central fund where programme makers (including those in RTE, TV3 and indies) can apply for funding based on the merits of their concept. RTE should be trimmed back to pure public service broadcasting with an emphasis on Irish made programming -with no advertising.

They should forget about doing dodgy digital channels and focus on getting the quality of RTE1 and Net2 to the level it should be at.

colinsky

Originally posted by madman
The back door method of destroying a programmes audience is to do what ITV do with News at Ten.
Basically it's fingers up to those that forced them to bring it back.
mm

I disagree. I think their strategy with News at 10 is a relatively good one.

Here's what happens. You're watching, say, survivor, which starts a little after nine. Because you're in the middle of a show, you're not going to switch over to BBC for a news which really starts at 10. And, when the show ends, at 9:40, say, you want to see the news. But you can't just switch over to Sky, because they're showing sports, and aren't going to get to the headlines until the top of the hour. But wait --- you can just stay where you are and watch the ITV news. Yay!

I've been drawn into the ITV news quite a few times this way. Look at it as a service to their viewers -- you've stuck with them through whatever they were showing, and they're rewarding you by having the news right afterwards, no matter how late the show you are watching went.

Saruman

Actually i think you will find RTE is broke and TV3 is raking it in compared! Does not make it right but there is a certain irony in it!

DMC

ATTN: Threads merged.

triple-play

Actually i think you will find RTE is broke and TV3 is raking it in compared! Does not make it right but there is a certain irony in it!

I am sure TV3 is not 'raking it in'. RTE have dropped their advertising rates by 20%. This distorts the market because now TV3 will have to drop their rates if they want to get any advertising revenue.

Between the licence fee and advertising RTE have an annual income of around 300m euro. TV3 are losing money hand over fist with income only from advertising in a market where they must compete with RTE who also receive the licence fee.

I just believe that this is unfair use of licence fee payers money.

Originally posted by colinsky

I disagree. I think their strategy with News at 10 is a relatively good one.

Here's what happens. You're watching, say, survivor, which starts a little after nine. Because you're in the middle of a show, you're not going to switch over to BBC for a news which really starts at 10. And, when the show ends, at 9:40, say, you want to see the news. But you can't just switch over to Sky, because they're showing sports, and aren't going to get to the headlines until the top of the hour. But wait --- you can just stay where you are and watch the ITV news. Yay!

I've been drawn into the ITV news quite a few times this way. Look at it as a service to their viewers -- you've stuck with them through whatever they were showing, and they're rewarding you by having the news right afterwards, no matter how late the show you are watching went.

You have a point.
But I doubt if that is the official ITV 1 strategy.
They were forced kicking and screaming to bring back news at ten, and that they did, by putting their news at"11" on around ten.
But the version of the news at"11" that they replaced News at ten with was a pale tabloid style bulletin.
They are not promoting News, or indeed rewarding viewers for sticking with them.they are just trying to maximise viewership and advertising revenue at that time.
The old news at ten complete with chimes was in my opinion on a par with any BBC bulletin-unlike the situation now.
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sceptre

Originally posted by DamoDMC

RTÉ stands up there with the best of them. RTÉ's only problem is that they are beside the country that produces the best TV in the world, which we can readily receive, and for that, we are spoilt.

Really good point that. I don't watch much RTE at all, mostly sue to my attempt to avoid repeats of Keeping Up Appearances but when you compare them to the awful stuff you're presented with in the rest of Europe, it's nice to have RTE at all.

Elmo

Ok i am just going to point out all the TV shows that TV3 make discluding News:-

Ireland AM * 5
The Weakest Link
Adgenda
The Week In Review (Not Sure if i should give them that as it is the news, but anyway)
Sports Tonight * 5
Links and Comentary to Soccer.

RTE make:-

Open House * 5
The Late Late Show
Fair City * 4
Bachlores Walk
No Tears
Our House
Beyond the Hall Door
WWTBAM?
Treasure Island
GAA Comentary, Cameras and Links
The Den
Custard's Last Stand Up
The View
FISH
Top 30 hits
The Jason Byrne Show
Xit Polls
Bull Island
Nationwide * 3
State Of the Nation
Prime Time *3
True Lives
WYB
The Cassidy's
Podge And Rodge
Questions and Answers
Telly Bingo
Garden Heaven
No Frontiers
Ireland Uncovered
House Hunters
Mono
Green And Red
Ear To The Ground
No Disco

TG4
Ros Na Run * 2
Sin e
Pop TV
Ceol Tire
Amu I....
Cleamhnas
Fir Na hEireann
Nuabhia Gaelach
Seidean Staire
RiRa
Agus alan rud eile

Do I need to go on, so which is better cheap imports on TV3 which makes them lots of money or orginal Irish Programming and cheap imports on RTE and TG4. So who is sitting on their asses now. TV3 need to do alot more producing and alot less buying.

Also the RTESO, COR NA OG, RTE string quartet, etc is proable the governments idea, RTE would let them go in a minute if it was up to them, can you amagine and company in their right mind wanting them, Maybe our friends in TV3 will take the over.

Well done Elmo,thats telling everybody!
(They cancelled Bull island by the way;) -big mistake)
RTÉ are a pub. ser. broadcaster, and they do the job well in my opinion.
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jez

Its not a good idea to praise an organisation too freely. Especially an average set up like RTE. People in the UK give out like hell about their services and we all bend over backwards to get decoders etc to view them.The criticism of the BBC has worked .Don't be too kind to RTE. I mean are we seriously saying that most of their output is great. Telly Bingo, Winning Streak now there's quality, I don't think. We need to pressurise not praise.

triple-play

So Elmo -that's what 100m euro to RTE gives me?
Why does RTE get money to produce Prime Time when TV3's Agenda doesn't get a cent?
Why does Radio One news get money when Newstalk doesn't?

And by the way, lots of those RTE programmes you mentioned are joint productions with independent producers -RTE can't claim all the 'credit'.

And I am sure if you gave TV3 100m euro every year they too would invest a lot more money in Irish programming. But since they don't get a single euro they have to fund everything out of advertising revenue. And of course, RTE as well as getting the licence fee also get to compete in the advertising market.

I believe in Public Service Broadcasting. RTE should receive funds form the licence fee but are you honestly saying that the current system of funding is 100% fair to TV3, Today FM and the local radio stations?

Elmo

Its not a good idea to praise an organisation too freely. Especially an average set up like RTE. People in the UK give out like hell about their services and we all bend over backwards to get decoders etc to view them.The criticism of the BBC has worked .Don't be too kind to RTE. I mean are we seriously saying that most of their output is great. Telly Bingo, Winning Streak now there's quality, I don't think. We need to pressurise not praise.

Okay i am not praising RTE what i am saying is that they produce alot of great programming you point out Winning Streak and Telly Bingo as bad shows out of how many, TV three have Ireland AM and The Weakest Link out of how many shows. What i am trying to say is that TV3 should not be praised for providing a service that was on RTE 2 years ago. Its not orginal stealing programmes from other stations. Yes most of RTE's output is good and TV3 have a very good show in Adgenda as does TG4 in many of its programmes it makes, Irish TV is underrate and TV3 should be just as critises as RTE and TG4.

Why does RTE get money to produce Prime Time when TV3's Agenda doesn't get a cent?

Adgenda goes out Once a week and also Not in a prime time slot as TV3 go for the 15-45 age group.

Why does Radio One news get money when Newstalk doesn't?

RTE News runs on both TV and Radio. They have to imploy news people for RTE Radio 1, 2fm, lyric fm, RnaG, N2 RTE1 and TG4. Its a reason.

And by the way, lots of those RTE programmes you mentioned are joint productions with independent producers -RTE can't claim all the 'credit'.

No true alot of them are Joint co-productions but were do you thing the independents get the money from trees or the 20,000,000 Euros that RTE invest in them.

And I am sure if you gave TV3 100m euro every year they too would invest a lot more money in Irish programming

TG4 get €6,000,000 worth of TV from RTE, €16,000,000 from the government and a tiny amount from Advertising Revenue. And yet TG4 provide a better service then TV3 that have Canwest and Granada as backers of their station plus all the advertisement revenue they have for Champions League and Corronation Street which all together is proable worth more then €23,000,000.

I believe in Public Service Broadcasting. RTE should receive funds form the licence fee but are you honestly saying that the current system of funding is 100% fair to TV3, Today FM and the local radio stations?

I dont think it is fair to private Radio stations a i feel that Radio Stations can just provide the service of Advertising Revenue, 2FM is not funded by the Lience Fee it gets all its funding from advertising Revenue alone, however Lyric and RnaG could not.

If TV3 want to get on RTE's back about its funding it should start to make Irish TV programmes for Prime Time TV and not just show everything that is shown on ITV at the same time.

Elmo

TV3 should note that Ireland is not a british region, also that morning TV is a waste of time, money and efford.

RTE should note that it was a big mistake to buy EastEnders and not invest money into shows like Bull Island and Glenroe.

TG4 should note that they have done very well for themselves without major investment from anyone.

Irish viewers have to realise that TV3 wont provide GAA coverage as it is too expencive, wont provide Drama as it is too expencive, wont be happy until it is making lots of money without the hassel of Irish Programming, and they will only produce the require amount. RTE only provide 6mins of advertising on TV and Radio, the independents provide 9 mins of advertising. TG4 is underrate as a television channel.

RTE and TV3 have to look at what the viewer wants not what they want.

icdg

Originally posted by triple-play
Everytime you pay your licence fee you are helping to put TV3, Today FM and all the local radio stations out of business.
RTE gets all the licence fee but they also get to tap the advertising market. They should not have it both ways.
Why is RTE's News public service broadcasting and TV3's isn't?

RTE provide a news service of hourly bulittens across four radio stations, five hours of in depth news bulittens on Radio 1, two hours of news on RTE One a day, Prime Time an hour a week, News 2, Nuacht TG4...RTE News Online

And to this what do TV3 match? Fifteen minutes of news at 5:30 (the second half is all entertainment, sport, and weather), the same at 6:30pm and twenty-odd at 11pm. TV3 provide no peak time news bulitten. In short, they do the minimum for their contract and no more. Agenda may be good, but its buried in a Sunday lunchtime slot, and would probably never have survived had it not been for the demise of 20/20. It also goes off air for the summer.

There is no comparsion between the comprehensive news service provided by RTE and the bare-minimum provided by TV3.

The same incidently goes for Dublin ILR. Remember these are the people who put their "current affairs" (aka shock radio in their case) programmes on at 2am originally because they thought there was no audience. They only do news because the BCI requires it as a condition of their contract. Newstalk 106 obviously is the exception but it took thirteen years of the current regime to materialise.

Why is 2FM public service broadcasting and Newstalk 106 isn't?
The licence fee should go into a central fund where programme makers (including those in RTE, TV3 and indies) can apply for funding based on the merits of their concept. RTE should be trimmed back to pure public service broadcasting with an emphasis on Irish made programming -with no advertising.

They should forget about doing dodgy digital channels and focus on getting the quality of RTE1 and Net2 to the level it should be at.

Pure public service broadcasting? Like the Australian and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporations, perhaps? News, childrens output, and current affairs. Then there would be no Irish drama, no Irish music, nothing as Gaelige.

Remember TV3 is not an Irish broadcaster, it is a Canadian-British broadcaster.

Sure why bother with having an Irish broadcaster in the first place. Maybe we are just a region of England???????????