A cracker

bombidol

Right i told you i had a cracker of a story/issue for this board...

I know these 4 people, Leigh, dave, mary and susan and they moved into an apartment about 4 months ago, now leigh and dave are good mates of mine and i have known them for years.
About 3 weeks ago they got a letter from the landlord saying that they owed 800 euros on the deposit of the house, Leigh was in charge of rent and he said he had given it in to the landlords secretary but she denied it.
now about 2 weeks ago we found out that leigh had stolen the money and spent it and has since moved out of the house, as has dave leaving the two girls alone.
Mary had 900 euros in the bank and paid the 800 that was owed because leigh wouldnt give it to her, but then he gave her 300 euros a few days ago, leaving her 500 euros in debt.
Now the newest page in the story is that the landlord rang yesterday and claims that last months rent of €1440 was not paid either, looks like leigh stole that. Leigh is now living on the malahide road.
the girls have rang his parents and they dont want to know, and the garda say that they cant do anythign until the landlandy makes a complaint, and the girls cant afford a solictor.

Its a crazy problem, anyone know how they could get the cash off leigh?

bomB

Dr. Loon

Eh... yeah... get a load of lads to go around to Leigh with a bunch of baseball bats, and beat the shíte out of him!!! Are you insane, I'm afraid I would have had him whuped along time ago, and I'm being serious here..

four_star

well if you know where he lives hired goons wouldn't be a bad idea, but in their money situation you can free legal advice off of a solicitor at the coucil offices. i don't know where they are but i'm sure you'll find out.

azezil

well unless they have receipts to prove they handed over the money it doesn't look to hopeful!

They could try a small claims court i suppose?

koneko

Get a sollicitor to write up a letter. That will scare here enough to cough up the cash. Whether they'd have ground to actually sue is another thing, it all depends on the contract that was drawn up.

Scary legal letters usually do the trick.

bombidol

Leigh also owes 800 euro on his credit card bill, Thing about leigh is, he is a bit strange in the way that if you beat the crap out of him he would consider the debt paid, he is a strange person, you could have video of him spending the money and he would deny it to the ground. he has this childish way of dealing with things.
I dont know what to do because i have known leigh since fourth class and he is one of my best friends, but at the same time i cant be friends with someone who could do something like that, a knacker wouldnt do that to his friends, he has to be sick or something.

bomb

Beruthiel

there's a free legal aid office on the Mount Merrion Square in Dublin, they'll put you in the right direction
I'd go with the the goons though, outcome is quicker and more satisfaction to be had, who needs enemies with friends like that!

Dr. Loon

Hire some lads to go around to his house, when only he's there. Knock on the door. Go in to the house, whupp the crap out of him, and then split as quickly as they can with the most valuable items they can find. You're more than likely to come away with a couple of hundred quids worth of stuff. Of course, this is illegal, but sure what are ye gonna do?

bombidol

he doesnt have much of anything exept my baggy trousers and Mick Foley book. other than that its a bogey stereo, 14" TV and some scratched cds. Also he probably doesnt have the money,

bomb

Kolodny

This is why all tenants should demand rent books and/or receipts - there's enough dodgy landlords and tenants around. bombidol, has your mate pulled anything like this before or do you reckon he's in some sort of trouble (i.e. a big debt to pay off quickly)?

Terminator

His new flatmates and his employer/college should be informed of the situation

<edit> Also this is one reason why you should pay by cheque and not cash </edit>

smiles

bomb.... are you leigh?

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azezil

Beating him up will achive nothing, he needs a good one to one with someone with a level head who'll address him in a non-threatening manner. If someone comes in yelling and acusing him staight off he'll undoubtedly take up a defensive stance.

bombidol

no thank god im not leigh, he has pulled things like this before even when he was a kid he used to take money out of his parents drawers. he also spent £500 on my mothers credit card, i didnt kill him because it was paid off my the CC company.

bomb

Beruthiel

I don't get how you can be still friends with someone like that Bomb?

azezil

Originally posted by Beruthiel
I don't get how you can be still friends with someone like that Bomb?

who can explain why you befriend one person and not another, as he said he's known him since childhood, such bonds are not easily broken.

bombidol

thats the thing, i dont want to be friends with him, but in all honesty he is a really nice bloke, he just seems to have a problem.
I would rather if i never saw him again cause i have to fight with myself everytime i see him, do i act normal or slap the crap outta him.

bomb

Clintons Cat

what does he spend all that money on?

Mountjoy Mugger

Slots, booze, drugs?

Dr. Loon

Originally posted by bombidol
do i act normal or slap the crap outta him.

bomb

I'd slap the crap out of him. He is no friend, so you shuld beat the crap out of him and then diswon him, never speak\see him again. Sounds like a right fúckin príck

Beating him up will achive nothing, he needs a good one to one with someone with a level head who'll address him in a non-threatening manner. If someone comes in yelling and acusing him staight off he'll undoubtedly take up a defensive stance.

It will achieve a feeling or revenge, I'm human, I imagine Bomb is too, it'll feel good. It won't get to a proper solution you're right there. By the osunds of things I don't think this guy can be reasoned with, he sounds like a lying, deceitful, selfish git.
So... batter him, smash his property up, disown him, and just don't deal with the fool again.

Sorry I know all my answers are a bit harsh, but that's the way I see this situation.

Beruthiel

Originally posted by azezil

who can explain why you befriend one person and not another, as he said he's known him since childhood, such bonds are not easily broken.

I understand that azezil, but surely there comes a time when 'for old times sake' becomes irrelevant if the person continues to throw your friendship back in your face

SheroN

I wouldn't suggest beating the crap out of him, there's surely some way of humiliating him into paying up.

azezil

Originally posted by Beruthiel


I understand that azezil, but surely there comes a time when 'for old times sake' becomes irrelevant if the person continues to throw your friendship back in your face

yeah thats true too, i help a friend out of that kinda situation once actually ( just remembered now! )

there's surely some way of humiliating him into paying up

doubt that'd work either, i have a cousin like this,the best way i'v seen is a non abusive one to one chat. It's as must for the attention, even if negitive as anything else.

bombidol

he admitted that he spent the money over a period of time, he didnt actually buy anything, i would have thought that he would have stolen the money to pay off his credit card bill, but nope looks like he spend the money on beer, clothes and food
you see , in a way this current situation doesnt affect me but im drawn in because i know all the people who he stole off and they are ringing me because when they ring him he hangs up.


BOmb

Clintons Cat

maybe you should tell them to stop hasseling you over the problem.In all honesty tell them its not your fault he stole their money and you dont want to get involved.Suggest they go round to his house and speak to him in person if he refuses to talk on the phone.
Either way you are going to have to choose who you want to be mates with,

Meh

Originally posted by bombidol
he has pulled things like this before even when he was a kid he used to take money out of his parents drawers. he also spent £500 on my mothers credit card

Did his housemates know this about him? If they did, why did they move in with him? If they didn't, why didn't you tell them?

bonkey

OK - here's where I'm confused....

You have 4 people in a house. Three appear to be paying rent to a fourth, who is responsible to pay the rent to the landlord.

Is there a contract with the landlord naming all four parties? If so, then your m8 Leigh is legally responsible for 1/4 of each months rent. The remaining tenants can simply refuse to apy his share each month, and tell the landlord that they would like him/her to lodge an official complain with the gardai about it. Then it becomes a legal matter.

If there wasnt a contract of any sort, or Leigh isnt mentioned on it, then the other tenants are in a tough position. I would start by finding out who his current landlord is, and informing them that Leigh had skipped on his previous accomodation owing monies. If possible, discuss with the landlord of the remaining three, if only to verify that there were payment problems, and that Leigh was living there.

Then go to Leigh. Let him know what you've done, and let him know that you will do the same to every landlord he moves to unless he comes clean.

Alternately - follow the really sensible ideas here, and get legal advice - there are free services available.

At the end of the day, your friends may have to write off the €800. If only one person in the house is being left to pay this, then they should seriously consider whether they want to live with the other two people any more or not, because it is completely unfair that one person carries the can for the actions of all of them (trusting Leigh).

Whatever you do, do not take it out on the guy physically. You lose either way, and if he took legal action about a beating, you'd find the law far more sympathetic to him in such a case.

jc

amp

I was never very good at maths problems

bombidol

its like this, leigh has a problem, yes he has done a lot of scumbag things and he has been caught doing all of them yet he continues to do them, therfore he has to have a problem a knacker wouldnt even rob off his mates.
Another thing is, I fear for leighs safety, everyone involved in this would rather see him get help then see him in mre trouble because, his mother wont have him back in the house and if we tell his current landlord, chances are he will end up out on the street and i wouldnt inflict that on my worst enemy nevermind a bloke who has been my best friend since 4th class. What we need is a resolution that will get him help and allow him to move home with his parents, or even send him to prison for a few months to see if that helps him, he has to be shown the error of his ways.

bomb

DMC

You dont want to see him on the street, but you want to see him in prison...

/me ponders on this awhile....

ToxicPaddy

maybe a good spell locked up might knock some sense into him...

This guy may have a problem, but it isnt one where he steals regularly to feed some drug habit, or has debts up to his eyeballs, he seems to steal just to get him the basics in life... and to be honest, if he's working, doesnt spend the money on luxuries, then what the hell is he spending it on..??

Sounds to me like he's just a child who's looking for an easy way out of paying the bills and if that means stealing off his mates then so be it and screw them after that...

The only problem this guy has is that he's a selfish b**tard who wont face up to his responsibilities and wrong doings.. he just runs away and he's probably doing the same to his new flatmates was we speak...

I think you are wasting your pity, time and worrying on this guy...

If his own Mum doesnt even want him back in the house, that kinda says a lot about they whole situation.

I know it sounds cruel, but its probably the truth and it may seem harsh now, but give it a try, just ignore him when you see him, let it be known why you are ignoring him and it might be a good idea to tip off his new flatmates as chances are they are not mates of his and they will do damage to him if he rips them off...

bombidol

He wont give anyone his new address

bomb

seamus

Bonkey talks sense. They have to check their contract. If the contract states that Leigh had to pay the whole rent, ie he was sub-letting the apartment, then unpaid monies are none of your business, but then seeing as he's gone, you might have no legs to stand on. There's too may permutations to go into here. But if you have no contract, then technically you have no comeback. Short of bringing him to court, you'll probably have to write off the €1940 you've given him. I'm baffled as to why he was given money a second time after stealing it?

Pay by direct debit or standing order in future.

Victor

If the house mates don't have a contract with the landlord (and are effectively "paying guests"), they owe him nothing ("Privity of Contract").

Originally posted by bonkey
Is there a contract with the landlord naming all four parties? If so, then your m8 Leigh is legally responsible for 1/4 of each months rent. The remaining tenants can simply refuse to apy his share each month, and tell the landlord that they would like him/her to lodge an official complain with the gardai about it. Then it becomes a legal matter.

This would appear to be a civil as opposed to ccriminal matter. Generally, the Gardaí will not get involved in such disputes unless there is a specific 'stealing' (as opposed to misappropriating) of money.

When the house mates sort it out with the landlord, make sure they each get a "Form Rent 2" from the landlord - available from the Revenue Commissioners www.revenue.ie

Victor

Originally posted by bombidol
and the girls cant afford a solictor.

http://www.flac.ie/
http://www.threshold.ie/

billy the squid

Could the people renting the apartment not try the Vincent de Paul for a hardship grant or something or even the college hardship fund explain that the money they had entrusted to the person responsible for paying the rent was stlen

I know it might seem like a farfetched idea but it is worth a try

might also consider asking the landlord if he will accept an offer where they can pay the debt in installments on top of the rent which will be paid regularly by a more reliable member of the group

maybe a good spell locked up might knock some sense into him...

that doesnt work

I'm living 120 miles from dublin and the discription that bomb gave of this person sounds 100 percent like someone I know.

papashiv0

Originally posted by bombidol

Looks like he spend the money on beer, clothes and food

This bloke seems like a totally self centered ass. He didn't even need that money he only stole it because he could. NO one needs m8s like that.

bombidol

update, The girls were talking to the landlord and she has agreed to pay the debts that are there and let the girls pay her back on a weekly basis, but leigh hasnt rang anyone in about 2 weeks, so it looks like he is gone.

bomb