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Mordern Movies that will be classics in 60+ years

  • 15-10-2005 11:49am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭


    Well?

    we had a huge talk bout this in work last 2 days

    sin city
    matrix (1st 1)
    Butter fly effect ?

    i cant think of ne more to early no brain
    any1 elce think of movies that will be all time classics


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Who the hell can tell?!

    No "classic" from the past was made as a classic just as another flick to be released. Filums that are acclaimed sometimes age very badly while other seem to age very well and end up seeming better cos they happen to cast a light on a particluar era. But it won't be known for er 60 years!


    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,240 ✭✭✭Endurance Man


    Why Butterfly Affect :confused: , wasnt that great.
    I would say Lord Of The Rings will be a classic watched for hundreds of years :). Thats all i can think of.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    I would say Lord Of The Rings will be a classic watched for hundreds of years :)
    More likely it will be watched until they decide to make them again.

    This thread makes my head hurt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,240 ✭✭✭Endurance Man


    kaids wrote:
    More likely it will be watched until they decide to make them again.

    This thread makes my head hurt.

    They remade The Italian Job but that doesnt mean its better, i would rather watch the original.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Franky Boy


    This thread kinda sucks.But if I had to say anything I would say American Beauty.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭d-arke


    • Braveheart
    • Shawshank Redemption
    • Pulp Fiction
    • Saving Private Ryan
    • Home Alone???? Well I liked it!!!
    • Toy Story (mainly because of what it achieved in its day, kinda like what "A Land Before Time" and "The American Time" did in their day

    I know most of the films are from the 90's but their still modern films


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,589 ✭✭✭✭Necronomicon


    d-arke wrote:
    Home Alone
    Well I don't know about 'classic', but I bet it'll still be on a few times over Christmas in 60 years time :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    d-arke wrote:
    • Toy Story (mainly because of what it achieved in its day, kinda like what "A Land Before Time" and "The American Time" did in their day
    You mean An American Tale?

    I'd say Toy Story and Pulp Fiction are good candidates anyway. Not sure if Lord of the Rings would really qualify; despite it's general appeal, it's still more blockbuster than timeless classic. May look a bit stale in ten years time.

    Can't really think of too many other modern classics. A fair few of the films we call classics today weren't too popular (or at least widly seen) on first release. It's hard to know which of todays underdogs will get re-evaluated down the line.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    Of the films mentioned so far , bar Shawshank, Saving Private Ryan and Toy Story, I don't believe that any will be deemed classics or be widely watched 60years from now. That's not to say I don't think they are good movies, just merely that people of 2065 will not 'get their appeal' or find them enjoyable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭d-arke


    Goodshape wrote:
    You mean An American Tale?

    Yeah thats the one I meant. Dunno what I was thinking, "An American Time"?!?! "D'Oh!!!!!"

    Just thought of another one, Robin Hood Prince of Thieves- the one with Kevin Costner.

    I'd like to say The Lost Boys, Back to the Future 1, and the Indiana Jones Trilogy, but then their already classics.......aren't they??? Could they count


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,753 ✭✭✭qz


    Sin City? Very much doubt it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Pitseleh


    1. American Beauty
    2. American History X
    3. The Usual Suspects
    4. Fight Club
    5. Donnie Darko (possibly)
    But hey, they're just films I really like - not too sure whether the currently non-existant grandkids shall agree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,788 ✭✭✭Vikings


    Friday Night Lights. Trust me.

    (ok maybe thats just me ... but its not your typical sports film and should be remembered)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭Manchegan




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Franky Boy


    qz wrote:
    Sin City? Very much doubt it.



    Yeah.It's terrible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    Franky Boy wrote:
    Yeah.It's terrible.
    thought it was fantastic

    gigli is probably a classic. not for the same reasons as the matrix though...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Donnie Darko
    LOTR
    The Big Lebowski
    Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,019 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Donnie Darko
    LOTR
    The Big Lebowski
    Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind

    Id agree with all the above, but I think theyll always remain a sort of niche market... Bar Lotr of course.
    Also, Id say Pulp Fiction.
    And the Butterfly Effect?? In 60 years, I hope people still see it as the shameless Donnie Darko clone it is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭missingtime


    The Usual Suspects
    Memento
    Pulp Fiction - mabye
    And just to get ye talking Jurassic Park.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭Hugh Hefner


    Ah damn. I had a really good one in my head.

    I'd say that Pulp Fiction, Shawshank and Donnie Darko are already considered classics. The Usual Suspects too.

    Now to remembering what that film was.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭NoDayBut2Day


    I think Disney films turn out to be classics in time...

    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭User45701


    The Usual Suspects
    Memento
    Pulp Fiction - mabye
    And just to get ye talking Jurassic Park.

    yeid go with jurassic park
    i suppose just cause its star wars and has such a huge fanbase episode 3 would have to be listed aswell


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭ccd


    Momento

    The Usual Suspects

    American Beauty

    La Confidential [Wanna dance with the man]

    Gladiator

    Moulin rouge

    Toy Story 2

    Pirates of the Carribean ??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭Hugh Hefner


    Toy Story..... 2?! No way. I can barely remember what happened in that movie. I do however remember that it was not good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭cooperguy


    How about American History X


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    I'd say that the Studio Ghibli films will be considered classics in much the same way early Disney films are considered now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭d-arke


    Toy Story 2: no chance. It could never live up to the first one.

    Jurassic Park: Yeah, I'd say it would be in for a fair shout cause its unlike any other film with those special effects. And before anyone starts, please don't mention any of the sequels, I'm fairly sure I vouch for everyone in saying they won't be classics.

    American History X: Good shout cooperguy, as someone mentioned earlier, films that general end up classics are not widely watched, and I believe thats the case here. Quality film.

    Momento: Don't think so.

    Moulin Rouge: Haven't seen it so can't comment, but I'd presume its alot like Chicago which again I haven't seen.

    Ususal Suspects: Competing too much with Pulp Fiction and I think Pulp Fiction would win no problem in the race to be a classic.

    LA Confidential: Umm, unsure what to make of it.

    American Beauty: Because of how it faired in global recognition I'm not sure it would. It could end up being a film that deteriorates over time. Good film all the same, just not sure if it would be considered a classic.

    Star Wars 3: I know everyone says episodes 1 2 3 are rubbish, orbeit, not as good as 4 5 6, but regardless because of the effect that Star Wars had on everyone i think it will stand the test of time.

    Gladiator: I say this one could, but like the Usual Suspects, one of its challengers is Braveheart in the race to become a classic and I think Braveheart would beat it to it.

    Pirates of the Caribean: To soon to tell, I would love it to become one, hopefully they dont wreck the brand with two upcoming films.

    Just thought of one that I don't think has been mentioned, but the problem is, which one would you pick to be a classic, Terminator or Terminator 2. I think must people would rule out the third one from what I've heard about it. Haven't seen it myself so I can't comment. So T1 or T2????


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    d-arke wrote:
    Momento: Don't think so.

    Why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭User45701


    i thought i said terminator ye terminator 2 ill definatly last T 1 aswell and t3 even thought **** ppl will still want to wartch it if the 1st and 2nd last time


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭pbsuxok1znja4r


    I think as a comedy film, Meet The Parents will stand out as a classic a long time from now. Yeah LOTR will quite probably remain a much-loved, timeless kind of film. The thing about anything with 'special effects' is though, sometimes they can end up looking extremely dated, 10 years down the line. Sometimes.
    Sin City will not live long in the memory, and none of your 'pop. cult' 'classics' like Donnie Darko will either.
    The Hurricane will probably always be a well remembered and popular film, probably because it deals with somewhat historical issues, like rascism in the states, etc.
    Yeah I could see Pirates Of The Carribean being played on telly every Christmas for many years to come. Any of those swashbucklers generally are. The Mask Of Zorro likewise.
    I believe that Gattaca will be something of a sci-fi classic, a long time from now. Who knows how prophetic it might be?
    But, yeah, it's probably damn near impossible to really know these things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭ccd


    Meet the Perants WILL NEVER BE CONSIDERED A COMIC CLASSIC. FACT. However ANCHORMAN will be the defining Comedy of the 00's. Gladiator walks all over Bravehart. I have already forgot about the Hurricane so lord only knows about a few years doen the line. But I'do agree with you about Zorro and Gattaca.

    I also wanna add a few more titles

    Oldboy

    Fight Club

    Downfall


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭missingtime


    I believe that Gattaca will be something of a sci-fi classic.

    Thats a good un alright.

    Did someone mention Seven? Hmm What else...?

    Road Trip I think will do better than Meet The Parents.
    Anchorman had better become a classic.
    Since there has been so many bad comic book movie adaptations and there will probably be more, the original Batman movie should stand out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭d-arke


    ccd wrote:
    Meet the Perants WILL NEVER BE CONSIDERED A COMIC CLASSIC. FACT. However ANCHORMAN will be the defining Comedy of the 00's. Gladiator walks all over Bravehart. I have already forgot about the Hurricane so lord only knows about a few years doen the line.

    I also wanna add a few more titles

    Oldboy

    Fight Club

    Downfall


    I've never even heard of Anchorman or Oldboy, though I'll admit my knowledge of film isnt great.

    Downfall would be a good shout.

    If I had to pick a modern film to be a classic in 60years time and it had to be a comedy, where better to look than Dumb and Dumber. But to be honest, I don't think many comedies will become classics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭d-arke


    Since there has been so many bad comic book movie adaptations and there will probably be more, the original Batman movie should stand out.

    Good call!!!


    As for Momento, can't really think why it wouldn't be a classic, still trying to decide whether it was a good film or not. It doesnt really get that much attention now so I don't think it would get sufficient coverage in the future to gain the recognition of being a classic. Could maybe become a classic simply because of the way its filmed.

    Goodfellas??? I only say this cause I love the Joe Pesci line, "I'm funny how...."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭Hugh Hefner


    ccd wrote:
    Oldboy

    Fight Club

    Downfall
    Oldboy? Not in the West. A cult classic maybe.

    Fight Club? I think so.

    Downfall? Never. It's just not well known.


    d-arke wrote:
    Goodfellas??? I only say this cause I love the Joe Pesci line, "I'm funny how...."
    Already a classic and rightly so.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭d-arke


    Oldboy? Not in the West. A cult classic maybe.

    Fight Club? I think so.

    Downfall? Never. It's just not well known.

    I'd agree with FightClub, its got a good chance of being a classic. But then see the definition below, would it be considered a universal favourite?

    "Downfall? Its just not well known." Thats rubbish, its one of Michael Douglas' best films. Though in fairness it wont be well known with todays youth as it came out in the eighties but it is worth a shout.

    Ps. Can I just ask what everyones definition of what a classic is??

    I just came across this definition, "classic films are often distinguished or unique works of cinema that have transcended time and trends, with indefinable quality. Classic are often universal favourites that hold up after repeated rescreenings"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭ccd


    I was refering to Der Untergang [Downfall]. I think you might be refering to Falling Down, Sorry to be so anal but it was actually made in the 90's


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭lodgepole


    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363163/

    You're mixing up Downfall with Falling Down.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    Oldboy? Not in the West. A cult classic maybe.

    Not in the West? What sort of talk is that? Are you trying to suggest that any Asian film would not be considered a classic in "The West"? Hmm... Seven Samurai? Yojimbo? Anything Kurosawa ever made? Hey, how about some Bruce Lee films?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭d-arke


    ccd wrote:
    I was refering to Der Untergang [Downfall]. I think you might be refering to Falling Down, Sorry to be so anal but it was actually made in the 90's

    Ah sorry for the mix up, my knowledge of films isnt the best. Falling Down was the one i was thinking of alright. So as for your shout on Downfall being a classic, I'll agree with you simply cause I was in the wrong and never heard of it.

    Be as anal as you want.

    Thanks Lodgepole as well.

    D'Oh!!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Roar


    "classic films are often distinguished or unique works of cinema that have transcended time and trends, with indefinable quality. Classic are often universal favourites that hold up after repeated rescreenings"

    right thats anything with will ferrell so..

    me thinks shawshank for sure anyway..

    beauty and the beast too...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭Plankmonkey


    Erm I seriously doubt they'll be watching todays movies in 60+ years except to laugh at the special effects....and you only need to wait 6 years to do that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    Erm I seriously doubt they'll be watching todays movies in 60+ years except to laugh at the special effects....and you only need to wait 6 years to do that!

    Assuming that all everybody watched was big Blockbusters with loads of SFX?

    Or dare I suggest that someone out there would watch a movie without special effects? Yeah, some radical thinking there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭lodgepole


    Erm I seriously doubt they'll be watching todays movies in 60+ years except to laugh at the special effects....and you only need to wait 6 years to do that!
    We're still watching films made sixty years ago today. And considerably older.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭Hugh Hefner


    Erm I seriously doubt they'll be watching todays movies in 60+ years except to laugh at the special effects....and you only need to wait 6 years to do that!
    Riiiiiiight, because we don't watch films that are 60+ years old today. :rolleyes:

    Edit:
    Lodgepole wrote:
    We're still watching films made sixty years ago today. And considerably older.
    Heh. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    Getting back on topic, I think The Big Lebowski will be as legendary a comedy as Some Like It Hot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭Hugh Hefner


    Not in the West? What sort of talk is that? Are you trying to suggest that any Asian film would not be considered a classic in "The West"? Hmm... Seven Samurai? Yojimbo? Anything Kurosawa ever made? Hey, how about some Bruce Lee films?
    No, I'm not saying that any Asian film would not be considered a classic in the West. But Oldboy wouldn't be. It's a great film, don't get me wrong. Min-sik Choi acted so brilliantly. But most people have never heard of it. People know Seven Samurai, people know Enter The Dragon, people do not know Oldboy. Not enough people anyway. And Oldboy hasn't worked it's way into the public mind like, say, Darko has. It's a pity, but I just don't think it's going to become recognised on a wide enough basis.

    On the bright side I could be wrong and it'll be the re-released hit of the sixties. :)


    Not to be completely off topic...

    I saw watching The Matrix last night and for the first time it didn't look modern to me. If I had been watching it for the first time, without any prior knowledge, I would have thought it was made in the 80s. The subtle green wash didn't help that either. That said, I think The Matrix will become a classic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    No, I'm not saying that any Asian film would not be considered a classic in the West. But Oldboy wouldn't be. It's a great film, don't get me wrong. Min-sik Choi acted so brilliantly. But most people have never heard of it. People know Seven Samurai, people know Enter The Dragon, people do not know Oldboy. Not enough people anyway. And Oldboy hasn't worked it's way into the public mind like, say, Darko has. It's a pity, but I just don't think it's going to become recognised on a wide enough basis.

    On the bright side I could be wrong and it'll be the re-released hit of the sixties. :)


    Not to be completely off topic...

    I saw watching The Matrix last night and for the first time it didn't look modern to me. If I had been watching it for the first time, without any prior knowledge, I would have thought it was made in the 80s. The subtle green wash didn't help that either. That said, I think The Matrix will become a classic.


    Often, things that arent wildly successful when they are first released become classics. Just because its not all that well known now doesnt mean it wont become a classic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    No, I'm not saying that any Asian film would not be considered a classic in the West. But Oldboy wouldn't be. It's a great film, don't get me wrong. Min-sik Choi acted so brilliantly. But most people have never heard of it. People know Seven Samurai, people know Enter The Dragon, people do not know Oldboy. Not enough people anyway. And Oldboy hasn't worked it's way into the public mind like, say, Darko has. It's a pity, but I just don't think it's going to become recognised on a wide enough basis.

    On the bright side I could be wrong and it'll be the re-released hit of the sixties. :)

    Ok, so you're trying to suggest that a film must have mass-appeal from the moment it was released in order to be a classic? Sorry, but that's just wrong. Honestly, in it's time, The Seven Samurai was unheard of, and it only came into public knowledge via how many film-makers were influenced by it, and other Kurosawa films.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭Hugh Hefner


    It doesn't have to have mass appeal but that certainly helps. I just don't envision it gaining such appeal within the next 60 years. But like I said, I could be very wrong.

    Tusky wrote:
    Often, things that arent wildly successful when they are first released become classics. Just because its not all that well known now doesnt mean it wont become a classic.
    I completely agree, and I hope great things do happen for this film because it's very deserving.



    You're right, The Seven Samurai did become a classic but I think it's also fair to say that such a thing is rare enough. I mean for every The Seven Samurai there's probably 20 great films that never arrive to such esteem. Sad but true.


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