Smoking

Just The One

So do ya? Did ya?


have a look at this site.... not for the faint hearted

http://www.smokingsucks.ca/gross_out/index.html


http://www.tobaccofacts.info/

MorningStar

Nothing like a neutral website to give you the facts. :rolleyes:

Smoking is bad OK. Everybody gets that to talk down at people in this manner is pointless. It might work with children but it might not last to stop them smoking forever.

I trust this site in the same manner I trust a tabbaco companies website.

TomTom

I do and have done for years. to be honest those sites show nothing i have not already read about or seen before.
I would like to quit but thats easier said than done.

WellyJ

I know a lot of people who smoke and although its not someting im in any way fond of, I certainly havent heard of any of them getting gangrene from it.

Its the same as anything. Those sites are just propaganda. I woudnt read anything into that.

R0ot

Did for like a year when i was 10, glad i did though cause now i hate the ****ing sight of them, cant stand the ash either, which is a bit of a pain in the ass at my brothers with cigarette ash all in the keyboard and stuff *yuck* disgusting it is.

Sleipnir

Scare tactics never work, in fact it usually only makes the smoker desire a cigarette even more.
Even the cigarette companies know this and actually use it in their advertising.
Anyone remember the Venus Fly Trap ad?
Or the one with the knot in the silk rope?

Just The One

Just The One wrote:

So do ya? Did ya?


have a look at this site.... not for the faint hearted


http://www.tobaccofacts.info/

http://www.smokingsucks.ca/gross_out/index.html

Blah smoking's bad, blah
It's gonna kill us all etc.
At the end of the day we are never ever gonna agree. Ever

Mossy Monk

hee hee

I wholeheartedly agree monk

Kingp35

Mossy Monk wrote:

smoker by any chance?

Sam Vimes

how bout this? instead of giving philip morris your money, you all give me 20-30 euro a week for a few years. each day ill come to your house and put a tiny amount of arsenic in your tea, more and more each time until you finally die. that way you get to kill yourself without the yellow hands and bad breath, and i make millions. everybody wins

You know Commander, you could really do with reading this. Its a report by a psychologist on why people smoke. And believe it or not, it's not just because we are addicted to nicotine. It's very enlightening for non smokers. You might understand us a bit more.

dlofnep

I'm one of the few who actually quit smoking and stayed off them. Smoking is stupid.. Get through the first 2 weeks off of them and it's a bit of willpower here and there after it.

ferdi

/lights up

Gazza22

No i don't smoke, never have, never will...

Just don't get why people do

WellyJ

Papa Smut wrote:

You know Commander, you could really do with reading this. Its a report by a psychologist on why people smoke. And believe it or not, it's not just because we are addicted to nicotine. It's very enlightening for non smokers. You might understand us a bit more.

That report is from 1947, i think people these days are a lot more knowledgeable about the bad side to smoking.

Jimi-Spandex

Just The One wrote:

So do ya? Did ya?


have a look at this site.... not for the faint hearted

http://www.smokingsucks.ca/gross_out/index.html


http://www.tobaccofacts.info/

Piss off.

Mossy Monk

Kingp35 wrote:

smoker by any chance?

oh dear. ex smoker, thanks for asking

WellyJ

WellyJ wrote:

That report is from 1947, i think people these days are a lot more knowledgeable about the bad side to smoking.

Yes but the reasons behind it are still the same. We know how bad it is, I'm just trying to explain why we still smoke.

rubadub

That report is a piss-take right?

Frequently, our respondents remarked that smoking cigaretees is like being with a friend. Said one, "When I lean back and light my cigarette and see the glow in the dark, I am not alone any more...."

I have skimmed through it and it is hilarious, like one of those "women belong in the home" things from the 50's, "know your place women"

Dizzyblabla

Did anyone see Oprah today? They showed a lung of a smoker and of a non-smoker... needless to say, it was kinda gross!
I still sparked up when I got outside the door though!

WellyJ

Papa Smut wrote:

Yes but the reasons behind it are still the same. We know how bad it is, I'm just trying to explain why we still smoke.

"Some of the appeals of a lighted cigarette derive from the appeals of fire in general. Fire is the symbol of life, and the idea of fire is surrounded by much superstition. In this connection, it is interesting to note that traces of superstition can be seen in the smoking habits of modern man. For instance some people never will light three cigarettes on one match. It is said that this superstition is based on experiences during World War I."

Ah yes, what a great reason.....

I can picture Troy McLure reading that aloud

Dinner

Papa Smut wrote:

You know Commander, you could really do with reading this. Its a report by a psychologist on why people smoke.

Quite the site. Not enlightening at all, just funny.

I dont smoke, never have and never will. I think its stupid and pointless and if a smoker ever comes with out and tries to justify it by saying "I like looking at the smoke" or "I like looking at the match lighting" or any other of those fairly pathetic excuses I'll just laugh at them.

Gazza22

WellyJ wrote:

That report is from 1947, i think people these days are a lot more knowledgeable about the bad side to smoking.

Agreed...it's stupidity to smoke let alone support an arguement with a article from over 5 decades ago. It was in that time, that the cigarette companies began marketing cigarettes. There was a big spectacle made of cigarettes and how they were so 'cool', there was hardly any negativity towards them and no warnings.

Though the cigarette companies knew themselves that they were marketing an unethical product but this was kept quiet...why would they say anything bad? The money was rolling in and governments were blinded by short term high tax gains from cigarettes to just ban them completely, but long term they paid more for the medical expenses. People were in a frenzy to buy shares in these companies.

But it's all changed now, there is no excuse to be smoking, it's negative effects and risks are in your face. Imo It won't be too long before they are just eradicated, even tobacco companies know this. They invest their profits in other companies now instead of re-investing their profits because they know in the future, they will no longer get away with it.

To answer a few of those ingenius 'arguements' (lol) why smoking is good...

Smoking is Fun

Yeah if you deem suicide fun...

Smoking is a Reward

Sure, you pump money into smoking and in the end you get a lovely cancer package

Smoking is Oral Pleasure

Eh, oral cancer?...Oral diseases?

The Cigarette -- A Modern Hourglass

Yeah counting down to your grave...

Smoking Helps Me Think

Does it really? I would have thought it killed brain cells..meh

I could go on for ever...but i won't
Morale of story, don't smoke
/Rant over

Flukey

I don't smoke, except passively. I've got more sense. It doesn't take a genius to work out that it is bad for you. After all, would you stick your head up a smokey chimney?

Nightwish

smoking is disgusting and I hate being around smokers.The smell and the smoke choking up the air is just horrible. The smoking ban was one of the few admirable things this Government has done for us.

Mossy Monk

gazza22 wrote:

Does it really? I would have thought it killed brain cells

careful you dont ever sneeze or drink
i hear they kill brain cells too

a smoker will not give up by listening to the moral police

Gazza22

Mossy Monk wrote:

careful you dont ever sneeze or drink
i hear they kill brain cells too

a smoker will not give up by listening to the moral police

Sneezing can't be helped...it's a natural reaction in your body

Drink doesn't kill brain cells, nerve cells yes

Oh and i know, us moral police will undoubtedly be ignored, at the end of the day it must come from the smoker to realize their stupidity

lazylad

gazza22 wrote:

Sneezing can't be helped...it's a natural reaction in your body

Drink doesn't kill brain cells, nerve cells yes

Oh and i know, us moral police will undoubtedly be ignored, at the end of the day it must come from the smoker to realize their stupidity

Why do you care about it so much? Why you so aggressive and in my last post you said i was talking rtrd talk.


Well I hope you can see my picture I drew of you. I had to make pic smaller but i hope you see his head, i think its a bo**x but i dont know.

deisedevil

lazylad wrote:

Why do you care about it so much? Why you so aggressive and in my last post you said i was talking rtrd talk.


Well I hope you can see my picture I drew of you. I had to make pic smaller but i hope you see his head, i think its a bo**x but i dont know.

Well if ya weren't talking rtrd last time ya def are now!!!

Nice pic though, keep up the good work, you could make a career with that.

Nightwish

what the hell was that picture about? the guy was only trying to enlighten you to the negative aspects of smoking. All that pleasure that each cigarette gives you comes at a price, and I'm not talking money. You are damaging your body in uncountable ways. You are at risk from Cancer (14 times more likely to die from cancer) as each cigarette has at least 60 carcinogenic chemicals-arsenic, carbon monoxide, formaldehyde etc. You are also putting yourself at a significant risk of a stroke, emphysema (uncurable), high blood pressure. You are also twice as likely to die from a heart attack. So don't lash out in a childish immature way at people who are only trying to open your eyes to the reality of what you are doing to yourself

nesf

Cop the **** on people.


If you're anti-smoking fine, don't force it down a smoker's throat while enjoying your nice pint of poison that you have every friday night.

If you're a smoker fine, don't bait or abuse the anti-smoking lobby.

If there's any more abuse from anyone I will ban them. I don't care if you have the moral highground or not. Be civil to each other. It really isn't a complicated request.

A little politeness goes a long way and so on.

Wibbs

What follows is a polite rant. Nothin' to see here nesf. Keep walkin. Look over there! lovely mild evening to stargaze.... Right, now that nesf's back is turned....

Ok smoking tobacco may not be counted among the healthiest thing one can do, but the OP's site was the usual scare tactics of the rabid anti tobacco brigade. Most of it was tosh IMHO. Especially the "not just cancer" page.

Most of the diseases there are found in non smokers just as much as in smokers. Asthma for a start. While smoke and other airborne "pollutants" like animal dander and pollen can make an asthmatic attack occur, smoking does not cause asthma. If it did why are there more asthmatics now than ever before? Now when less people smoke, in fewer places than did before. Impotence? equally no evidence. Chronic bowel disease? eh no. Smokers as a group are far less likely to suffer from diseases such as colitus for example. Peptic ulcers? nope. That one's caused by a bacterium in 99% of cases. Esophageal cancer? The biggest risk factor there is alcohol abuse. Periodontal disease? Some studies have shown that smokers suffer less gum recession than non smokers. The jury's way out on that one. Cervical cancer? That would be largely due to a virus. Leukemia, sleep disturbance, kidney cancer are just laughable TBH.

Do they mention that tobacco users are less likely to get alzheimers or parkinsons? Nope. Thought not.

Do not get me started on second hand smoke...

I could link to various independant scientific papers that highlight many of these points but I think the two camps are too firmly entrenched by now. I'll leave you with this, though. In 1957 72% of Californian men smoked. By 1997 only 11% did. Do you know what happened to the lung cancer rate? Nada. It's biggest drop was in the late 70's where it dropped by 3%. The rest of the time it remained static.

lazylad

deisedevil wrote:

Well if ya weren't talking rtrd last time ya def are now!!!

Nice pic though, keep up the good work, you could make a career with that.

Thanks. Thats what Im planning to do.

maybelline

I don't smoke, never have and never will - just don't like it

Wibbs

Nearly missed this one while I was distracting nesf....

gazza22 wrote:

Does it really? I would have thought it killed brain cells..meh

Actually nicotine increases short term memory. Nicotine also was found to be as effective with hyperactivity and ADD as rytalin(with less side effects). It's beneficial effect on neurological diseases such as alzheimers and parkinsons is also well researched. Nothing is all bad. Balance on both sides is what is sorely needed.

Farls

I have never smoked...simple reason i was brought up to look on them as being dirty and i always have done. My mum also made me promise when i was very young not too...they were just after killing my grandad at the time so that turned me against them completely.

Smoking really turns me off people...lads, i dont mind so much i can put up with it as long as its not in my company. But girls smoking is a big turn off...i dont care how good looking/cool they are...if they smoke i wouldnt touch them with yours.

Smoking ban in Éire is the best thing ever...apart from the "other" smells you now get :eek:

Anyway...do yourself and the rest of us a favour and quit...you'll be healthier and save money and people will like you more


Also could someone please shut lazylad and his followers up...filling up threads with mindless drivel.

Gazza22

lazylad wrote:

Why do you care about it so much? Why you so aggressive and in my last post you said i was talking rtrd talk.


Well I hope you can see my picture I drew of you. I had to make pic smaller but i hope you see his head, i think its a bo**x but i dont know.

Did i say i "cared about it so much"?...it's merely my feelings towards smoking, you are not forced to accept them. You know how things go around here? People d i s c u s s topics


Ohh bitchay...well lazylad, while i'm sobbing uncontrollably due to that very creative piece of yours, i'm going to give you a definition of retard posting, ok?

Posting in "rtrd"
- Using txtspk n ur psts is cnsdrd been rlly stpd cuz u hv qwert kbd n ur pc so xpct 2 b bnd immditly. Dis iz ur only wrng.

nesf

Wibbs wrote:

Do they mention that tobacco users are less likely to get alzheimers or parkinsons? Nope. Thought not.

The best argument I saw against that was that the ages at which alzheinmers starts is generally older than the age that your average smoker reaches.

It's a very loose link to begin with anyways.



Btw I've no problems with people posting and discussing this, so long as people aren't being uncivil or going into crusader mode. This is a topic that people tend to get worked up about, I'd appreciate it if people could be polite to each other when discussing this.

Gazza22

Wibbs wrote:

Nearly missed this one while I was distracting nesf....
Actually nicotine increases short term memory. Nicotine also was found to be as effective with hyperactivity and ADD as rytalin(with less side effects). It's beneficial effect on neurological diseases such as alzheimers and parkinsons is also well researched. Nothing is all bad. Balance on both sides is what is sorely needed.

In quite small doses that research project used nicotine. It was also administered through patches, not through inhalation.

nesf

Farls wrote:

Anyway...do yourself and the rest of us a favour and quit...you'll be healthier and save money and people will like you more

And you complain about someone else's mindless drivel?


Seriously, can people on both sides of this start thinking before they post please?

Wibbs

gazza22 wrote:

In quite small doses that research project used nicotine. It was also administered through patches, not through inhalation.

Doesn't negate the findings though and the doses were around the levels of a 10 a day smoker of cigarettes.

nesf wrote:

The best argument I saw against that was that the ages at which alzheinmers starts is generally older than the age that your average smoker reaches.

It's a very loose link to begin with anyways.

Apparently not. All things being equal(age of death included), smokers suffer significantly less from alzheimers than non smokers. Pipe smokers in particular are far less likely to succumb(higher blood nicotine level, but as they don't tend to inhale, lung damage is less likely). Only 1 in 25 parkinsons patients has ever smoked.

Anyway nesf, I thought I was busy distracting you. I dunno, people these days. Harder to keep their minds distracted in one direction. I blame television. Too many ads you see.........

Farls

nesf wrote:

And you complain about someone else's mindless drivel?


Seriously, can people on both sides of this start thinking before they post please?

How can that be mindless drivel?

you will be healthier, you will save money and non smokers won't be taking in your second hand smoke and in general will be a lot happier in your company.

:rolleyes:

nesf

Wibbs wrote:

Apparently not. All things being equal(age of death included), smokers suffer significantly less from alzheimers than non smokers. Pipe smokers in particular are far less likely to succumb(higher blood nicotine level, but as they don't tend to inhale, lung damage is less likely). Only 1 in 25 parkinsons patients has ever smoked.

I don't know, by that logic smoking causes schizophrenia since 4 out of 5 schizophrenics smoke (according to some studies). The reality was that smoking happens to effect dopamine levels in a similar way to medication does for a schizophrenic, so smoking was in a way a form of self-medication for these people.

Although I do agree on pipe smokers. They found the same with cigar smokers, they were less likely to succumb to cancer. Although if they did get it, it was either throat or mouth iirc. Neither very nice.

Wibbs wrote:

Anyway nesf, I thought I was busy distracting you. I dunno, people these days. Harder to keep their minds distracted in one direction. I blame television. Too many ads you see.........

I blame computer games.

nesf

Farls wrote:

How can that be mindless drivel?

you will be healthier, you will save money and non smokers won't be taking in your second hand smoke and in general will be a lot happier in your company.

:rolleyes:

I was referring to the "and people will like you more".

It's a rare non-smoker who dislikes a person because they smoke. Dislike smoking, consider it a bad habit sure. But dislike the person?

No few people are like that. It would equivilant to non-drinkers disliking people because they drink. Again, it doesn't happen very often.

Like I said, mindless drivel.

Wibbs

nesf wrote:

I don't know, by that logic smoking causes schizophrenia since 4 out of 5 schizophrenics smoke (according to some studies). The reality was that smoking happens to effect dopamine levels in a similar way to medication does for a schizophrenic, so smoking was in a way a form of self-medication for these people.

So that meant nicotine in those cases was a benefit then? I'm a bit nuts anyway, so I figure, better safe than sorry......

Although I do agree on pipe smokers. They found the same with cigar smokers, they were less likely to succumb to cancer. Although if they did get it, it was either throat or mouth iirc. Neither very nice.

Only 7% difference with non smokers. Some studies even found that pipe and cigar smokers lived longer than non smokers. I would suspect that was more down to social/economic factors though. It's a more complicated issue than both sides are willing to admit, I reckon.

Yep, those computer games. Mindless drivel the lot of it. Bah humbug.

Farls

I'm not saying that non smokers will turn against smokers but I know lots of people that don't like being in the company of smokers even though they are friends with them they will only spend time with them when their in a no smoking area.

I also know quite a few guys who have turned off girls because they smoke and the opposite too.

Same goes for drinking but theres not such a strong arguement for it.

And i only threw the "and people will like you more" to give it a more light hearted feel .

Anyway its a persons rights to choose wheather or not they smoke and until that changes i dont really care...just dont do it around me

nesf

Wibbs wrote:

It's a more complicated issue than both sides are willing to admit, I reckon.

Definitely

Gazza22

Wibbs wrote:

Doesn't negate the findings though and the doses were around the levels of a 10 a day smoker of cigarettes.

Yeah well then maybe it's not all wrong...but in saying that, i personally wouldn't choose the positive effects of smoking over it's negatives, there is no comparison.

Nicotine is a part of a cigarette, that research would be fine if somebody was willing to combat memory loss with patches but the problem i have is with smoking in general and the many poisons, carcinogens and chemicals cigarettes contain.

You wouldn't drink rat poison, but smokers are willing to inhale the same toxins found in rat poison..with that just being the start of it, they contain far worse.

nesf

gazza22 wrote:

Nicotine is a part of a cigarette, that research would be fine if somebody was willing to combat memory loss with patches but the problem i have is with smoking in general and the many poisons, carcinogens and chemicals cigarettes contain.

You'd be shocked by how little chemicals actual tobacco has versus what's in a cigarette. The stuff they add to cigarettes to make them "lighter" and easier to "draw" scares me tbh.

cuaifeadh

Blagh blagh whatever. Fine - we all know smoking is bad. Hint: Look at the smoking ban. Grand, I don't smoke generally, but please shhh with the high and all mighty straight edge BS. I do smoke when I'm out drinking... Why? Not because it's bad for me, *duh* no... basically because it breaks up the night. It adds charachter to it. There are always these times where you think.. *geeze* I'm bored.. so what do we do.. we go outside and light up. It's a social thing. I think that in Ireland at least, smoking has become what alcohol is.. or at least should be.. Something that we can enjoy becuase we are out spending time with others, having a laugh..and, well... at the same time getting a decent hit of Nicotene. Yes, everybody knows that there are a million and one stats regarding the ill effects of smoking... so why are we still doing it? Life's too short I guess, and as long as we are not harming others..then lets just 5hut up and go with the flow.