Drake monument vandalised

hill16

hill16 wrote:

Erecting this statue is just another way for the West Brits in Ireland to show their true colours.

And tell me does this fundamentalist opinion extend to everything British for you?
You'd burn everything british except their coal/oil/gas would you?

Snickers Man

magpie wrote:

They're just sore over the time he sailed into Cadiz harbour and sank 20 warships in 1587

Not to mention the years he spent plundering Spanish trading ships for his own personal enrichment. With the active encouragement of his government of course.

magpie wrote:

People in Ireland need to come to terms with the fact that pre 1922 Ireland was a part of the United Kingdom, and that we share a lot of history:

Well that's precisely the point. We ALL share history. Where we differ from place to place, people to people, religion to religion is on how we interpret and remember it. With history, as in art, what you leave out is often more important than what you put in.

The British want to remember Drake as a defender of their realm from Spanish agression. Fair enough. In defence of that realm, and indeed in the cause of its aggrandisement, he wrought havoc on a lot of innocent people elsewhere, not least in Ireland. An early example, perhaps, of the doctrine of 'fighting the enemy abroad so we don't have to fight him at home'.

This involved the wholesale massacre of innocent civilians, which even by the standards of the 16th century were barbaric. To omit that central fact from any commemoration of Drake in this country is simply idiotic.

magpie wrote:

If we can put up a statue to someone whose contribution to society/world history is as miniscule as arch-junkie Phil Lynott then I fail to see what the problem with having a statue to El Draco is.

Well now you've gone way too far. We can argue anbout Drake but you don't insult the great Phillo, all right. Pistols or swords, sir?

magpie

Not to mention the years he spent plundering Spanish trading ships for his own personal enrichment. With the active encouragement of his government of course.

Of course, Spanish trading ships. Not the ones laden down with gold plundered at gunpoint from the Aztecs then? (and don't worry, I don't have much sympathy for them either as they were wantonly barbaric and cruel even by the standards of their day).

To paint Drake as a self-serving Privateer, or Pirate if you will is of course 100% accurate; to paint the Spanish as any less aggressive, self-serving or brutal is disingenuous at best. Therefore its spectacularly hypocritical on their behalf to regard Drake as a 'criminal' while their Conquistador activities in South America coupled with their plans to foist a Catholic on the throne of a resolutely Protestant England through the expedient of enforcing their wishes through military force are viewed as being in some way 'innocent'. Please... The Spanish had the most bloodthirsty domineering empire in the world. Ask the Dutch about it.

Just be thankful none of us live in the 16th Century!

you don't insult the great Phillo, all right. Pistols or swords, sir?

Bass guitars at dawn sirrah!

gandalf

LOL I can almost see some of the lads on this thread going "What have the Brits ever done for us...."

Yes I agree erecting the statue of a English Hero is a bit strange but then again I don't know the local significance of it as well, if there is a strong link and local people don't mind then fair enough. Its a bit sad and cowardly to daub graffiti on the statue though if you have an objection to it then complain to the council/authorities about it.

Oh if it was a Spanaird who objected surely they would have written it in Spanish

vector

gandalf wrote:

LOL I can almost see some of the lads on this thread going "What have the Brits ever done for us...."

Yes I agree erecting the statue of a English Hero is a bit strange...

IT IS NOT A STATUE
it is a piece of art type thing shaped like a sail

gandalf

LOL didn't realise it was a piece of modern art. Anyone have a piccie of this at all ?

mike65

Its seem the whole thing is based on a tall tale which is used simply as a marketing ploy for Crosshaven.

Mike.

magpie

Its seem the whole thing is based on a tall tale which is used simply as a marketing ploy for Crosshaven.

Why is it that all the people who view this as a tall tale / a disgrace have names like 'Diarmuid O Murchada' rather than Dermot Murphy? :rolleyes: I wonder?

What's that sound like a Chicken?

Chuck-chuck-chuck-chuckiiiieee

Here's the God-awful history of Rathlin Island that the Shinners have such a bee in their bonnet with Drake about. You'll note its a long series of massacres one after the other from about 4500 bc until the 17th Century, not all by any means enacted by the evil agents of perfidious albion. You'll spot some good 'Ol Ulstermen getting stuck in with characteristic aplomb.

vector

"marketing" disn't exist when the name first came into use
anyhow Carrigaline isin't a tourist town so the historical angle is not bankable
and Crosshaven can only use it as a sidebar because the pool is on the road to Crosshaven and not in Crosshaven proper.

MIKO ICHI BAN

The graffiti bandit was referring to people (Shoneens) who would be the hangers on to the British, the fawners, the West Brits, the acquired accented lot of Cork who instead of erecting a Statue/Monument to local seafarers or to Spanish Armada heroes would prefer to spend their collected money on a foreign hero, who facilitated and abetted the colonisation and destruction of their own country's way of life, heritage and culture. They are the Shoneens, the people who celebrate the ones who would have besieged your walled city in the middle ages, the Quislings who assisted the pacification of Denmark, Norway during WW2, the self-haters who would turn their coats to lick up to the enemy.
Only in Cork do you find an affected accent which develops in the estuary area mimicking their sense of a 'higher class of person' and which unexpectedly is an anglicised nasal sounding accent. it must be so embarassing to English people of the 21st century to listen to.

RandomName2

MIKO ICHI BAN wrote: »

to Spanish Armada heroes

:eek:

Are you serious?

Philip II attempts to topple the weak English kingdom which lies ripe for the taking after Elizabeth's excommunication. He is quite prepared to absorb Ireland into the Hapsburg Empire as a means to an end.

Of course the Spanish Armada had little to do with Ireland - besides getting shipwrecked. You might be mixing up that Spanish expedition with the other one which resulted in the Battle of Kinsale. Despite the explicit demands of Hugh O'Neill the Spanish landed in Cork without the numbers to make a difference. Hugh O Neill marched south to save them, leaving himself vulnerable (because he would have to fight a conventional battle). Hugh O Neill lost the battle (which the Spanish didn't know about until after the event) and then the Spanish surrendered.

Although why there would be a statue to Drake there is a bit beyond me. Walter Raleigh perhaps...

charlemont

When that filth was erected there were a lot of people who wanted to destroy it, As for Shoneens, Boards.ie is full of them, We cant even be proud of our own history without being accused of living in the past.

nesf

Ancient thread is ancient.