What do I know, that RTÉ doesn't?

Elmo

'the cult of the personality'.

Yeah bono was on NewsNight last night .

I have to say I like TV3 News Graphics but not the current set, I think it is very dated.

But to me it always seems that when a news room have good on screen graphics the sets are usless and visa versa.

Nuacht TG4 had good graphics up about last year they are not as good as they where. The set is ok.

I think if Channel 6 is going to make an impact they need to serious look at Irish Programming and an Identy rather then just being an Irish Version of Sky One.

If TV3 where only available in on Sat. and Cable they would be in serious trouble.

Telefís

Certainly - indeed one would wonder as to the percentage of its Coronation St/Heartbeat etc etc audience who watch the station simply to get better reception over UTV...

Limerick Man I cannot see how you believe TV3 acknowledges there's life outside Dublin - it is the most Dublin-centred broadcaster in this country outside of 98fm!
Absolutely everything revolves around it - especially the content of Ireland AM. Likewise the showbiz fluff on the news has rarely stepped a toe beyond the county border.

All prizes and promotions offered on most of its programmes are based in Dublin, the vast majority of its news coverage stems from Dublin, the only iconic idents the station uses with the exception of Galway Cathedral are Dublin based, and all in all the station is completely absorbed in M50 culture; out there in motorway land where the world revolves around Dublin and its sprawling suburbs.

And being an independent commercial broadcaster, it is immune from any criticism about this fact; whereas RTÉ is slammed day and night for being based in D4, I have yet to hear a single note of criticism - ever - about TV3.
The Property Show is the station's first foray into the no man's land of the rest of the country.


As for the look of TV3 News, the set is dated all right, indeed it was from the moment it was launched. But the graphics are superb, including titles and astons. But crucially it is the assembly of their productions that is so impressive - from cuing of reports, to newsreaders 'working' the format well by expecting graphics to come up on time, music to come in at the right places, the superb editing of their (otherwise appalling) reports etc etc.

It's all so slick, whereas RTÉ are as clunky and error-ridden as the day is long.
Both the aesthetics and on-air operations with the national broadcaster are poor.

Elmo

It's all so slick, whereas RTÉ are as clunky and error-ridden as the day is long.

I only ever notice errors on SIX ONE. Perhaps its just me.

Telefís

Like yesterday with Dermot in Brussels :rolleyes:
How come satellite links never ever break down with the BBC?

Nine is pretty bad now too. I don't include just major things like reports going down as errors, but other stupid little things like the wide shot cutting in too late after the music has stopped coming back after the break, so we're left with a long awkward silence until the cut to the shot of presenter. Stupid niggly mis-cues are rampant in RTÉ - barely a bulletin goes by without a silly thing like that happening.

Likewise with VT's running out while the presenter is delivering a live voice over - so often not enough footage is laid down and so black kicks in.
Constantly happening.
Or chairs left thrown out in front of the monitor unit evident in the final wide shot, left over from a guest speaking earlier. I could go on forever - believe me

By contrast you could watch the BBC Ten News, or Six, solidly for two weeks without a single hitch - and I mean without even the most trivial of errors as some would percieve it.

It's nothing to do with resources - it's about skill level and commitment to the job.

limerick_man

The Offside show for the end of the season seemed to have all limerick guests and kilkenny preformers! They were talking about limerick issues (not the gangs) and constantly brought up the kilkenny cats laugh festival (all the guests seemed to be doing it)!

Hell even the weather on TV3 has a nationwide appeal! They show pics of places throughout the country (although they should change the limerick picture)!

TV3 were the only news broadcaster on TV to admit that theyre had been 3 murders in Dublin in a week (RTE said it on Artel but not the actual show)

You can expect RTÉ to have a mistake or two on the 6.1 show its the only hour long show, and unlike BBC they are amazingly understaffed!

nlgbbbblth

Ray777 wrote:

Back in 2001, RTÉ decided to scrap the most successful programme in their history. Yes, Glenroe had deteriorated in quality, but the RTÉ attitude was 'just ditch it'. The same thing happened to 'Emmerdale Farm' back in the early 90s, but ITV's response was to improve storylines. Couldn't that have also been done with Glenroe? The sheer laziness and lack of imagination shown by RTÉ was staggering.

It would have helped Glenroe if it was shown more than once a week and didn't take a break for the summer. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

nlgbbbblth

It would be nice if RTE released some of their archive programmes on DVD.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122985&highlight=neglected

aidan_walsh

nlgbbbblth wrote:

It would have helped Glenroe if it was shown more than once a week and didn't take a break for the summer. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You mean just like what they've done with Fair City? Yeah, that paid off...

limerick_man

aidan_walsh wrote:

You mean just like what they've done with Fair City? Yeah, that paid off...

That did pay off!

Its now one of the most watched shows on Irish TV!

Elmo

It would have helped Glenroe if it was shown more than once a week and didn't take a break for the summer.

IMO RTE had 3 choices with Glenroe

1. Axe It (Which they did)
2. Bring it to 3 days a week, make it a full time soap.
3. Make it a full hour long Drama.

I think Bring it to 3 days would have been a waste of money. And would just be showing that RTE have a very limited Imagination in regards Drama. I personnally like the American Dramas more then British Soap. I think RTE should try to go for something more like the american Dramas then the British Soaps.

limerick_man

Same here, American rather than British, i feel, should be tryed under all headings (series, sitcoms etc.)! An american style show with an Irish spin is what is needed!

Telefís

Glenroe was dead in the water - it had to be axed.

There was no point in increasing the output; a small station like RTÉ does not need two soaps going out to that extent. So the only option was to axe it.
It had some appalling acting too, though saying that Fair City is miles worse - especially the scripting.
Do us all a favour and ditch that too.

DublinWriter

Telef&#237 wrote: »

Glenroe was dead in the water - it had to be axed.

True, the last series was pathetic.

RTE=Television/Radio station run by civil servants who go about their job with the enthusiasm of an arthritic old man following a horse and cart collecting manure for his garden.

Scrap the licence fee now, it only accounts for 30% of RTE's annual revenue. An RTE made 30% worse will still be RTE.

Firstly, they should end the 250,000K golden handcuff agreement with Gay Byrne and release the money to some independent producers to do some original programming.

Secondly, they should nurture more (and cheaper) talent.

Thirdly, they should sack about 50% of their current middle-management layer.

GUBU

I agree that the licence fee should be scrapped at this stage. Why do they need advertising revenue and the licence fee when other television stations can run on one or the other? It appears that some serious money is being wasted when it comes to buying in programmes. What is the point in importing quality American dramas like 'Six Feet Under', only to put them on at 2:15 a.m. and fill up the early evening schedules with dross like 'Joey'?

Telefís

Oh for goodness sake - to say again, the licence fee accounts for way more than 30% of revenues - more like 50%-60%

RTÉ could not sustain any level of its services without the licence fee - it would also be operated on a commercially driven basis where little gets made outside of profitable ratings being achievable.

Exceedingly few state broadcasters in Europe operate exclusively on advertising revenues, if any at all in fact. And the vast vast majority are dual funded.
And RTÉ more than most, being in such a competitive market washed with UK output, more than most I think is deserving of the fee - not just for traditional public service programming reasons, but also the fact that it is essentially 'Irish Television'.

Elmo

What is the point in importing quality American dramas like 'Six Feet Under', only to put them on at 2:15 a.m.

Please Please Please If I haven't said it before email andrew.fitzpatrick@rte.ie about the schedule. He is the Head of Scheduling at RTE and head of RTE TWO.

Glenroe was dead in the water - it had to be axed.

Of course it had gone down hill when after 16 years the main characters had remained the same. Most US drama go throught the same phase and then fizzly out, which is the way it should be (KEN BARLOW :mad: )

But I have to say that its was good to see RTE invest money into other drama such as "on home ground" (even if it was pathic) and "the clinic" (which I like) and "Proof" (well it was something different). I won't count the drama output on RTE TWO as they should be looked a as an entirely seprate entity, which should have its own set amount of Drama.

Firstly, they should end the 250,000K golden handcuff agreement with Gay Byrne and release the money to some independent producers to do some original programming.

I honestly don't beleive this.

Secondly, they should nurture more (and cheaper) talent.

Yes and TV3 could do this also. I mean a morning show isn't going to nurture more talent, I mean the only question their is how many Amanda Bryrmes can you get? (Feeling sick just thinking about that)

And RTÉ more than most, being in such a competitive market washed with UK output, more than most I think is deserving of the fee - not just for traditional public service programming reasons, but also the fact that it is essentially 'Irish Television'.

Yes i think if you got rid of the licence fee you would end up with a very commercial station like TV3.

TV3 could easily have many of the sports that TG4 have but would rather make money on cheep imports.

superdudeman007

Ray777 wrote:

And then of course, the introduction of permanent on-screen logos. Why? The idea that it's all about 'brand recognition' is absolute rubbish. The vast majority of people with anything vaguely resembling a brain know what channel they're watching, without an irritating logo in the corner of the screen. With the introduction of on screen logos, nothing positive has been added to RTÉ's service. Other than make our state broadcaster look like a cheap SKY channel, nothing has been achieved. Again, it wasn't broken...

They said on another thread that it's to do with ad revenue too - if Eastenders is on both RTE1 and BBC1, Irish people would be unable to tell which was RTE1, watch BBC1, and lose ad revenue for RTE.

Logos hardly made it any better - I personally change over to BBC or UTV just to escape from the logo!

superdudeman007

I've heard that Veronica Mars was huge in the US, but don't have a chance to check out a single episode because RTÉ are showing it at 3pm rather than in prime time, or when they're showing 5-year-old half-episodes of The Bill

Mossy Monk

superdudeman007 wrote:

or when they're showing 3-year-old half-episodes of The Bill

sorry to break it to you. Veronica Mars wouldn't fit into that slot. and have you not ever heard of a VCR. i am sure you have but thats not convenient due to your obsession at moaning about everything

fly_agaric

Dubin Writer wrote:

Scrap the licence fee now, it only accounts for 30% of RTE's annual revenue. An RTE made 30% worse will still be RTE.

What good reasons do you have for wanting to see the licence fee scrapped other than a desire to pay less tax/irrational hatred of RTE?
You even admit that RTE will actually get worse (it'll be much more like TV3 or God forbid Channel 6) if that is done!:rolleyes:
Just guessing, but some of the things we probably like about RTE (news, documentaries, the occasional good home-produced drama or comedy) are more expensive and will suffer if RTE loses a big chunk of revenue, while the cheap and nasty things we generally dislike (e.g. cheap imports which very many people can watch somewhere else anyway, crappy + cheap as chips "reality" tv) will expand to fill the available space.
Surely we want to see RTE improve it's output - not make it worse.

Capt'n Midnight

superdudeman007 wrote:

I've heard that Veronica Mars was huge in the US, but don't have a chance to check out a single episode because RTÉ are showing it at 3pm rather than in prime time, or when they're showing 3-year-old half-episodes of The Bill

The number two show in the US after friends was.. ah crap can't even remember the name but it was on TV3. - Oh yeah Will and Grace - ever watched it ??

Mossy Monk

fly_agaric wrote:

What good reasons do you have for wanting to see the licence fee scrapped other than a desire to pay less tax/irrational hatred of RTE?
You even admit that RTE will actually get worse (it'll be much more like TV3 or God forbid Channel 6) if that is done!:rolleyes:
Just guessing, but some of the things we probably like about RTE (news, documentaries, the occasional good home-produced drama or comedy) are more expensive and will suffer if RTE loses a big chunk of revenue, while the cheap and nasty things we generally dislike (e.g. cheap imports which very many people can watch somewhere else anyway, crappy + cheap as chips "reality" tv) will expand to fill the available space.
Surely we want to see RTE improve it's output - not make it worse.

well said

nlgbbbblth

superdudeman007 wrote:

when they're showing 3-year-old half-episodes of The Bill

do you mean the 25 minute episodes of The Bill?

They were all made between 1988 and 1998.

DublinWriter

fly_agaric wrote:

What good reasons do you have for wanting to see the licence fee scrapped other than a desire to pay less tax/irrational hatred of RTE?
You even admit that RTE will actually get worse (it'll be much more like TV3 or God forbid Channel 6) if that is done!:rolleyes:

I could live with that considering I'd be €147 better off a year.

RTE produce minimal drama...can you even name three productions they've produced in the last 5 years off the top of your head?

If you think they're impartial to political influence then explain why Bull Island and Scrap Saturday were cancelled at the height of their runs?

If you think they're impartial to commercial influence then explain why RTE has never had a investigative consumer affairs programme such as BBC's Watchdog?

RTE are like the Aer Lingus of the airwaves. Fat, bloated, top-heavy with all the worst working traits of the Civil Service.

Instead of comparing to TV3, look at what TG4 do on a shoestring.

Mossy Monk

DublinWriter wrote:

look at what TG4 do on a shoestring.

but doesnt TG4 get some of the license fee too?

DublinWriter

Mossy Monk wrote:

but doesnt TG4 get some of the license fee too?

Quoting from http://www.econsultation.ie/ec/econswip.nsf/0/EB861AD5FEF3FFA9802571E1002CC628?OpenDocument

"Since its foundation in 1996 Teilifís na Gaeilge (now trading as TG4) has proved to be both popular and successful achieving the 3% market share that it targeted when it was established. Operating under the statutory umbrella of RTÉ, TG4 however does not receive its funding from licence fee revenue but rather from Department of Finance discretionary spending."

superdudeman007

They get a tiny bit - the license fee pays for RTE News and Current Affairs, who produce Nuacht, Timpeall na Tire, Féilte etc for TG4 at no cost to TG 4.

superdudeman007

Mossy Monk wrote:

sorry to break it to you. Veronica Mars wouldn't fit into that slot. and have you not ever heard of a VCR. i am sure you have but thats not convenient due to your obsession at moaning about everything

VCRs are dead. And couldn't be arsed. And I already pay them €150 a year so who are they to tell me to get a VCR???

superdudeman007

nlgbbbblth wrote:

do you mean the 25 minute episodes of The Bill?

They were all made between 1988 and 1998.

Lastnight's was copyrighted 2001

Mossy Monk

superdudeman007 wrote:

VCRs are dead. And couldn't be arsed. And I already pay them €150 a year so who are they to tell me to get a VCR???

tough **** so