Bohsman and Pokertroll will be playing......

Hectorjelly

DeVore wrote:

opn 25/50 blinds, a reasonable raise is 4-500 (ok thats HUGE but we need to engineer a way to get all the chip in there), you get reraised to 2,000 and flat call. Now you can check the flop to the raiser if you dont improve or get your bet out first and see what he makes of it. But to get all-in preflop you cant flat call and would have to reraise to say, 5000. Now he has to go all in or flat call. Whats he going all in with? KK? I dont think so, you are most likely facing your twin hand here.

Your right its hard to imagine being all in preflop in level 1 with anything less than AA, but a lot of the players playing the WSOP will be bad players who got lucky in a sattelite. They will be overplaying QQ or AKs because they dont realise the difference the deep stacks makes to the game.

DeVore wrote:

For the record, against a handfull of all-ins I'd probably drop aces. Reasoning: I expect to be facing my twin so its very unlikely that my hand will improve and I'm winning only half the pot for all of the risk. Also, I dont believe that with (say) 4 times the stack I would be 4 times as likely to win or get to the money in the WSOP, in which case the maths begins to fall down. Against 1 or 2 all-ins sure, against 3 maybe, 4+ probably not. Call me a coward but would also be thinking "I probably wont get here again for a long time, I'd like to make the most of it".... which is bad but human.

DeV.

Your far from the money so chip values are linear, folding here is passing up a absolutely massive edge.

Fathead

Culchie,
Why do the 7000 players get 10 hands each, thats some new keerrazze holdem i dont know about...... :cool:

Culchie

whoops, never any good at maths.

Does that mean Paddy Power will give more higher odds on it happening?

DeVore

You cant say 7000 players multiplied by the chances of being dealt aces, gives the number of paired aces in the first hand. What that would suggest is that its perfectly reasonable for one table to have 3 or 4 pocket bullets at one table and none at another. You have to consider that they are grouped into tables with each table having a finite number of aces. Each table therefore upperbounds how many pocket aces there might be on it. A small point but something to consider. I'm actually unsure what formula you would use to calculate it but it would have to be an integration over tables, im just out of bed so my head is muggy....

DeV.

Culchie

DeVore wrote:

You cant say 7000 players multiplied by the chances of being dealt aces, gives the number of paired aces in the first hand. What that would suggest is that its perfectly reasonable for one table to have 3 or 4 pocket bullets at one table and none at another. You have to consider that they are grouped into tables with each table having a finite number of aces. Each table therefore upperbounds how many pocket aces there might be on it. A small point but something to consider. I'm actually unsure what formula you would use to calculate it but it would have to be an integration over tables, im just out of bed so my head is muggy....

DeV.

ermmm ....

I'll wait until your head is cleared, cos I haven't the foggiest either !

NickyOD

Pokerevents wrote:

I've also heard several figures being thrown around, but nothing documented. It would be a disaster to turn people away, and I seriously doubt in their first year that harrahs will not do everything possible to accomodate all players. Anyway the juice is very juicey. They will clear $4million on this event alone from players and thats just for reg fees. Add t.v rights/sponsorship/accomodation/food/drink/ not to mention cash games.
I think a €20,000 entry event in Limerick should be organized. People can fly into Shannon. Good accomodation available, it's a winner. We should run same week as wsop and get all the european players. Who wants to go to vegas when you visit Limerick.

I just spoke to a guy that plays every year and he repeated the same figure 6600 but he said that would include alternates. He says he heard this from "people in charge" but still nothing in black and white. He says its doubltful any Main event tables will be 11 handed. It only happened last year because of a fire marshall closing down a lot of tables. Now someone else just told me it will be 6600 plus alternates. Either way 6600 is figure that is consistenly popping up on all the forums. I believe that is the capacity od the venue for 10 handed tables, but it may indeed hit 7000 or more if that does not include alternates or they decide to go 11 handed.

Culchie

Not that I'll be doing it (not this year anyway ) ... but do you have to qualify for the WSOP, or can you simply stump up the entry fee?

NickyOD

Culchie wrote:

Not that I'll be doing it (not this year anyway ) ... but do you have to qualify for the WSOP, or can you simply stump up the entry fee?

Of course you can.

NickyOD

Here is an interview with WSOP director Howard GreenBaum who is quoted as saying 6600 will be the max.

http://www.pokerpages.com/blog/pokerpagesdan.php?itemid=353

Here's a P5 thread about someone (from hearsay) attempting to reserve a seat, and being told that as of late May all reserved seats were spoken for.

http://www.pocketfives.com/241CB558-ACC5-4D03-8062-CDA4AD60B373.aspx

roryc

Here is an interview with WSOP director Howard GreenBaum who is quoted as saying 6600 will be the max.

http://www.pokerpages.com/blog/poke....php?itemid=353


3. Pay 10% of the field, as this is a standard payout scale, and players are content with that.



does this mean that the top 660 get paid? seems a lot...
would have thought the top 1% would be correct. top 66 getting paid

DapperGent

Top 1% would be nuts, thats the same as paying only one person out of a 100 person field.

roryc

I know but it seems mad to pay the top 660 people. Maybe just the top 100? Maybe i just dont realise the size of the event, but i thinks its silly to come back from there saying

" I made the money!"

"Oh yeh where did you finish?"

"623rd"

NickyOD

roryc wrote:

I know but it seems mad to pay the top 660 people. Maybe just the top 100? Maybe i just dont realise the size of the event, but i thinks its silly to come back from there saying

" I made the money!"

"Oh yeh where did you finish?"

"623rd"

It's not mad at all. Its rare to see a tournament that pays less than 10% of the field. Considering the prizepool will be 66 million why would you limit it so few?

Davey Devil

roryc wrote:

I know but it seems mad to pay the top 660 people. Maybe just the top 100? Maybe i just dont realise the size of the event, but i thinks its silly to come back from there saying

" I made the money!"

"Oh yeh where did you finish?"

"623rd"

I'd feel really silly finishing 623rd out of 6600 in a world class field. :rolleyes:
I'd never live it down.

okidoki987

I'd feel really silly finishing 623rd out of 6600 in a world class field.
I'd never live it down.

I be happy finishing 6600 in a field of 6600, at least I would have
been there!

On the ticket numbers, I assume the reason why the casinos/poker rooms do not allow transfers of the entry is to avoid touting?
If there's a huge waiting list, I'd say the tickets would be well bid.