Bohsman and Pokertroll will be playing......

BigDragon

Here

and

Here

careca

Sweet Jesus, thats unreal.

Lucky B*stards.

karlh

hell of a tourney director

just thinkin. if there's only (!) 6000 people, statistically ~35 people should be dealt AA in the first hand of the WSOP. i'm guessing at least one will push and be called.

careful lads.

Dub13

fun and games...

careca

karlh wrote:

hell of a tourney director

just thinkin. if there's only (!) 6000 people, statistically ~35 people should be dealt AA in the first hand of the WSOP. i'm guessing at least one will push and be called.

careful lads.

Myself and Muso had just that conversation yesterday. The old would you put all your chips in with AA on the first hand. I said I would (I know its easy to say from this side of the Atlantic), muso reckons no. And i don't want to start another huge thread about it, but it would be a great story to tell either way.

okidoki987

Good luck lads but what about

http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/photoview.php?image=1333
http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/photoview.php?image=1323
http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/photoview.php?image=1264
http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/photoview.php?image=1215
http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/photoview.php?image=1203

P.S.
Spot the midget

http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/photoview.php?image=1157

NickyOD

careca wrote:

Myself and Muso had just that conversation yesterday. The old would you put all your chips in with AA on the first hand. I said I would (I know its easy to say from this side of the Atlantic), muso reckons no. And i don't want to start another huge thread about it, but it would be a great story to tell either way.

Not putting it in with KK would be a much better question. Not getting it all in preflop with Aces is a no brainer and anyone who doesn't (ouside of very limited set of circumstances) doesn't deservre their WSOP ticket.

Culchie

Gonna use one of them photos !!

bohsman

You start with 10000 chips with 2hour blinds starting at 25/50, I see no reason for an all in preflop, I think it would be practically impossible. Fair enough in a $3 sit and go with blinds at 10/25 somebody is likely to push all in under the gun first hand to make 35profit but I think anybody that goes all in preflop with aces doesnt deserve their ticket

NickyOD

bohsman wrote:

You start with 10000 chips with 2hour blinds starting at 25/50, I see no reason for an all in preflop, I think it would be practically impossible. Fair enough in a $3 sit and go with blinds at 10/25 somebody is likely to push all in under the gun first hand to make 35profit but I think anybody that goes all in preflop with aces doesnt deserve their ticket

So if someone raises your UTG raise first hand when you have Aces, then you reraise him and again and he sticks in half his chips, what then?

bohsman

I dont reraise, I want a bet out of him on the flop.

threebeards

okidoki987 wrote:

Good luck lads but what about

http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/photoview.php?image=1333
http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/photoview.php?image=1323
http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/photoview.php?image=1264
http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/photoview.php?image=1215
http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/photoview.php?image=1203

In all fairness, poker? How could you possibly concentrate with that/those floating around? But anyway, good luck lads.

mewso

NickyOD wrote:

Not putting it in with KK would be a much better question. Not getting it all in preflop with Aces is a no brainer and anyone who doesn't (ouside of very limited set of circumstances) doesn't deservre their WSOP ticket.

I dont deserve a WSOP ticket then.

valor

you would fold aces pre flop?
when?

bohsman

Give me a credible scenario where it is the right move to go all in preflop when you have 10000 chips and the blinds are 25/50

Culchie

When someone has pushed, and it's heads up ?

Culchie

Oscar,

If someone puts you all -in, would you call?

bohsman

I refuse to believe that anybody is going to go all in preflop the first hand of the WSOP, would they do it as a joke? To be able to tell everybody they went all in with the hammer.

Of course Ill call but dont think it could happen

Culchie

We'll see.

Just wanted to know what you would do.

If Paddy Power wants to give me some odds on someone going all-in first hand of the WSOP, I'll have a few quid on that please.

bohsman

Preflop? The old 200times the big blind raise utg trick

Culchie

Yup preflop ... we'll see soon enough. I'll have a punt on that.

More like the raise, re-raise, all-in syndrome, rather than trying to rob the blinds

DeVore

I also have trouble envisaging how two players *credibly* get all their chips in preflop on 25-50 blinds. The problem is, most of us are used to playing such tight stacks that "all in" after the flop is fairly reasonable. Or even preflop!
How many times do you see Aces revealed at a showdown? very rarely!
Usually they get turned over when someone calls the all-in on the flop or simply to prove that the people wasnt being a bully when its not called.

In the wsop, its not going to be that simple. Its more likely to be played undisclosed until the river which may leave you not knowing where you are on the turn or river.
opn 25/50 blinds, a reasonable raise is 4-500 (ok thats HUGE but we need to engineer a way to get all the chip in there), you get reraised to 2,000 and flat call. Now you can check the flop to the raiser if you dont improve or get your bet out first and see what he makes of it. But to get all-in preflop you cant flat call and would have to reraise to say, 5000. Now he has to go all in or flat call. Whats he going all in with? KK? I dont think so, you are most likely facing your twin hand here.

Its very hard to create a *credible* situation where someone misplays a hand soooo badly that they end up all-in with you preflop, first-hand-of-wsop. Thats Oscars point.

For the record, against a handfull of all-ins I'd probably drop aces. Reasoning: I expect to be facing my twin so its very unlikely that my hand will improve and I'm winning only half the pot for all of the risk. Also, I dont believe that with (say) 4 times the stack I would be 4 times as likely to win or get to the money in the WSOP, in which case the maths begins to fall down. Against 1 or 2 all-ins sure, against 3 maybe, 4+ probably not. Call me a coward but would also be thinking "I probably wont get here again for a long time, I'd like to make the most of it".... which is bad but human.

DeV.

NickyOD

bohsman wrote:

I refuse to believe that anybody is going to go all in preflop the first hand of the WSOP, would they do it as a joke? To be able to tell everybody they went all in with the hammer.

Of course Ill call but dont think it could happen

Lots of players go out in the first hand every year. I tihnk it happened to Sammy Farha (or some big name pro anyway) in the first hand a couple of years ago. He had KK in the BB and siomeone in MP just moved all in. He couldn't believe someone would do that with Aces in teh very first hand and called. Out he went. doh!

DeVore

Did the guy have aces? Or what he outdrawn? (I'm just curious!).

It does seem like a silly move on both their parts though, doesnt it!

DeV.

NickyOD

Yeah he had Aces. In this situation he played tehm perfectly. lol.

Culchie

DeVore wrote:

I also have trouble envisaging how two players *credibly* get all their chips in preflop on 25-50 blinds.
DeV.

I think we'll all agreed on the "credible" scenario.

Methinks there is gonna be 7000 entrants*10 = 70000 first hands dealt, approx 330 matches dealt aces into the hole.

You got Aces, someone raises you 25% your stack, I'm ahead, I'm not folding, I've the best hand, there's 10000 chips on offer here, the name of the game is accumulate chips ...... I see your 2500, and raise you 7500.

Odds please ?

Dub13

Imagen losing 10k with Kings...in the first hand of the WSOP,you would get the shakes the next time you looked down and had KK in the hole.

NickyOD

Culchie wrote:

I think we'll all agreed on the "credible" scenario.

Methinks there is gonna be 7000 entrants*10 = 70000 first hands dealt, approx 330 matches dealt aces into the hole.

You got Aces, someone raises you 25% your stack, I'm ahead, I'm not folding, I've the best hand, there's 10000 chips on offer here, the name of the game is accumulate chips ...... I see your 2500, and raise you 7500.

Odds please ?

I think its capped to 6600 with a ****load of alternates waiting for someone to drop out.

Pokerevents

Can any1 confirm that this event is capped?
I connot find anywhere on the official website where it states the event will be limited to 6,500. Besides there is many people I know planning to play satellites on the few days before hand.

NickyOD

The figure I've heard a few people mention is 6600 but I haven't seen it in black and white yet. There definitely has to be a number they can't go over, although if you register after that number has been reached you may get in on a list of "alternates" which is what they did for Event #2 a just a couple of days ago.

Pokerevents

I've also heard several figures being thrown around, but nothing documented. It would be a disaster to turn people away, and I seriously doubt in their first year that harrahs will not do everything possible to accomodate all players. Anyway the juice is very juicey. They will clear $4million on this event alone from players and thats just for reg fees. Add t.v rights/sponsorship/accomodation/food/drink/ not to mention cash games.
I think a €20,000 entry event in Limerick should be organized. People can fly into Shannon. Good accomodation available, it's a winner. We should run same week as wsop and get all the european players. Who wants to go to vegas when you visit Limerick.

Hectorjelly

DeVore wrote:

opn 25/50 blinds, a reasonable raise is 4-500 (ok thats HUGE but we need to engineer a way to get all the chip in there), you get reraised to 2,000 and flat call. Now you can check the flop to the raiser if you dont improve or get your bet out first and see what he makes of it. But to get all-in preflop you cant flat call and would have to reraise to say, 5000. Now he has to go all in or flat call. Whats he going all in with? KK? I dont think so, you are most likely facing your twin hand here.

Your right its hard to imagine being all in preflop in level 1 with anything less than AA, but a lot of the players playing the WSOP will be bad players who got lucky in a sattelite. They will be overplaying QQ or AKs because they dont realise the difference the deep stacks makes to the game.

DeVore wrote:

For the record, against a handfull of all-ins I'd probably drop aces. Reasoning: I expect to be facing my twin so its very unlikely that my hand will improve and I'm winning only half the pot for all of the risk. Also, I dont believe that with (say) 4 times the stack I would be 4 times as likely to win or get to the money in the WSOP, in which case the maths begins to fall down. Against 1 or 2 all-ins sure, against 3 maybe, 4+ probably not. Call me a coward but would also be thinking "I probably wont get here again for a long time, I'd like to make the most of it".... which is bad but human.

DeV.

Your far from the money so chip values are linear, folding here is passing up a absolutely massive edge.

Fathead

Culchie,
Why do the 7000 players get 10 hands each, thats some new keerrazze holdem i dont know about...... :cool:

Culchie

whoops, never any good at maths.

Does that mean Paddy Power will give more higher odds on it happening?

DeVore

You cant say 7000 players multiplied by the chances of being dealt aces, gives the number of paired aces in the first hand. What that would suggest is that its perfectly reasonable for one table to have 3 or 4 pocket bullets at one table and none at another. You have to consider that they are grouped into tables with each table having a finite number of aces. Each table therefore upperbounds how many pocket aces there might be on it. A small point but something to consider. I'm actually unsure what formula you would use to calculate it but it would have to be an integration over tables, im just out of bed so my head is muggy....

DeV.

Culchie

DeVore wrote:

You cant say 7000 players multiplied by the chances of being dealt aces, gives the number of paired aces in the first hand. What that would suggest is that its perfectly reasonable for one table to have 3 or 4 pocket bullets at one table and none at another. You have to consider that they are grouped into tables with each table having a finite number of aces. Each table therefore upperbounds how many pocket aces there might be on it. A small point but something to consider. I'm actually unsure what formula you would use to calculate it but it would have to be an integration over tables, im just out of bed so my head is muggy....

DeV.

ermmm ....

I'll wait until your head is cleared, cos I haven't the foggiest either !

NickyOD

Pokerevents wrote:

I've also heard several figures being thrown around, but nothing documented. It would be a disaster to turn people away, and I seriously doubt in their first year that harrahs will not do everything possible to accomodate all players. Anyway the juice is very juicey. They will clear $4million on this event alone from players and thats just for reg fees. Add t.v rights/sponsorship/accomodation/food/drink/ not to mention cash games.
I think a €20,000 entry event in Limerick should be organized. People can fly into Shannon. Good accomodation available, it's a winner. We should run same week as wsop and get all the european players. Who wants to go to vegas when you visit Limerick.

I just spoke to a guy that plays every year and he repeated the same figure 6600 but he said that would include alternates. He says he heard this from "people in charge" but still nothing in black and white. He says its doubltful any Main event tables will be 11 handed. It only happened last year because of a fire marshall closing down a lot of tables. Now someone else just told me it will be 6600 plus alternates. Either way 6600 is figure that is consistenly popping up on all the forums. I believe that is the capacity od the venue for 10 handed tables, but it may indeed hit 7000 or more if that does not include alternates or they decide to go 11 handed.

Culchie

Not that I'll be doing it (not this year anyway ) ... but do you have to qualify for the WSOP, or can you simply stump up the entry fee?

NickyOD

Culchie wrote:

Not that I'll be doing it (not this year anyway ) ... but do you have to qualify for the WSOP, or can you simply stump up the entry fee?

Of course you can.

NickyOD

Here is an interview with WSOP director Howard GreenBaum who is quoted as saying 6600 will be the max.

http://www.pokerpages.com/blog/pokerpagesdan.php?itemid=353

Here's a P5 thread about someone (from hearsay) attempting to reserve a seat, and being told that as of late May all reserved seats were spoken for.

http://www.pocketfives.com/241CB558-ACC5-4D03-8062-CDA4AD60B373.aspx

roryc

Here is an interview with WSOP director Howard GreenBaum who is quoted as saying 6600 will be the max.

http://www.pokerpages.com/blog/poke....php?itemid=353


3. Pay 10% of the field, as this is a standard payout scale, and players are content with that.



does this mean that the top 660 get paid? seems a lot...
would have thought the top 1% would be correct. top 66 getting paid

DapperGent

Top 1% would be nuts, thats the same as paying only one person out of a 100 person field.

roryc

I know but it seems mad to pay the top 660 people. Maybe just the top 100? Maybe i just dont realise the size of the event, but i thinks its silly to come back from there saying

" I made the money!"

"Oh yeh where did you finish?"

"623rd"

NickyOD

roryc wrote:

I know but it seems mad to pay the top 660 people. Maybe just the top 100? Maybe i just dont realise the size of the event, but i thinks its silly to come back from there saying

" I made the money!"

"Oh yeh where did you finish?"

"623rd"

It's not mad at all. Its rare to see a tournament that pays less than 10% of the field. Considering the prizepool will be 66 million why would you limit it so few?

Davey Devil

roryc wrote:

I know but it seems mad to pay the top 660 people. Maybe just the top 100? Maybe i just dont realise the size of the event, but i thinks its silly to come back from there saying

" I made the money!"

"Oh yeh where did you finish?"

"623rd"

I'd feel really silly finishing 623rd out of 6600 in a world class field. :rolleyes:
I'd never live it down.

okidoki987

I'd feel really silly finishing 623rd out of 6600 in a world class field.
I'd never live it down.

I be happy finishing 6600 in a field of 6600, at least I would have
been there!

On the ticket numbers, I assume the reason why the casinos/poker rooms do not allow transfers of the entry is to avoid touting?
If there's a huge waiting list, I'd say the tickets would be well bid.