worms

pwd

was told about some program on telly where they said about 1 in 7 people in this country have worms in their intestines. Is this true? How do you check?

Kernel

pwd wrote:

was told about some program on telly where they said about 1 in 7 people in this country have worms in their intestines. Is this true? How do you check?

All joking aside, I think pigface has worms... he might know. But i heard your ass gets real itchy if you have them... ahhh where's DrIndy when you need him!

Gordon

The only way to check is by looking at your eyeball. If your eyeball is flecked then you have worms.

Did you know that some form of worm type thing that exists in tropical places can only be taken out when it walks across your eyeball. When it walks across your eyeball you pluck it off your eyeball and hence stop the worm infection. It's true, look it up.

Then theres the worms that traverse up your urethra upon your taking a pee in tropical waters. They feel the heat from your warm urine and traverse up the warm urine trail into your bladder.

Worms are sneaky wee beggars.

Kernel

Gordon wrote:

Did you know that some form of worm type thing that exists in tropical places can only be taken out when it walks across your eyeball. When it walks across your eyeball you pluck it off your eyeball and hence stop the worm infection. It's true, look it up.

That's nasty! :eek:

I also heard a rumour that models go to certain places to actually have worms put in them, so that they will retain their malnurished looks. But then again, I may just be propogating an urban legend there...

funky penguin

Kernel wrote:

All joking aside, I think pigface has worms... he might know. But i heard your ass gets real itchy if you have them... ahhh where's DrIndy when you need him!

Jesus Christ I was scratching my arse when I read that! :eek:

tba

funky penguin wrote:

Jesus Christ I was scratching my arse when I read that! :eek:

ya wont get worms sittin on yer hole in wexford...

DrIndy

All joking aside, I think pigface has worms... he might know. But i heard your ass gets real itchy if you have them... ahhh where's DrIndy when you need him!

I'm here!

Did you know that some form of worm type thing that exists in tropical places can only be taken out when it walks across your eyeball. When it walks across your eyeball you pluck it off your eyeball and hence stop the worm infection. It's true, look it up.

Rare thing over here - and you can't pick them off to stop the infection as there are loads of the little buggers.....

Then theres the worms that traverse up your urethra upon your taking a pee in tropical waters. They feel the heat from your warm urine and traverse up the warm urine trail into your bladder.

Thats actually a catfish, its about 2" long and very thin with a load of reverse pointing spines and once it swims up your urine stream, lodges in your urethra because the spines prevent its removal. Moral of that story is, never pee directly into water if you are in the amazon basin....

There are loads of different species of intestinal worms, enclosed is some information from medline for those who are interested.....

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/parasiticdiseases.html

*Angel*

DrIndy wrote:

Thats actually a catfish, its about 2" long and very thin with a load of reverse pointing spines and once it swims up your urine stream, lodges in your urethra because the spines prevent its removal. Moral of that story is, never pee directly into water if you are in the amazon basin....

That's lovely that is... :eek:

funky penguin

tba wrote:

ya wont get worms sittin on yer hole in wexford...

No.....but I might get crabs!

funky penguin

DrIndy wrote:

Thats actually a catfish, its about 2" long and very thin with a load of reverse pointing spines and once it swims up your urine stream, lodges in your urethra because the spines prevent its removal. Moral of that story is, never pee directly into water if you are in the amazon basin....

Forget the Fuuckin Amazon! I'm never peeing again!!! :eek:

Lump

There's a tape worm being extracted. In days gone by, you had to starve yourself for like a couple of weeks, then hold meat in front of your mouth, and it's crawl out while you were awake etc.

John

funky penguin

Lump wrote:

There's a tape worm being extracted. In days gone by, you had to starve yourself for like a couple of weeks, then hold meat in front of your mouth, and it's crawl out while you were awake etc.

I bet leeches were involved somewhere aswell....

Lump

No.

The are used to clear blood clots and stuff.

John

funky penguin

Lump wrote:

No.

The are used to clear blood clots and stuff.

John

You made me cry.

ApeXaviour

DrIndy wrote:

Thats actually a catfish, its about 2" long and very thin with a load of reverse pointing spines and once it swims up your urine stream, lodges in your urethra because the spines prevent its removal. Moral of that story is, never pee directly into water if you are in the amazon basin....

It would be quite physically impossible for anything to swim up your urine stream which is accelerating downwards through the air. The key word here submerged. Don't pee while submerged in water in the amazon basin. Sorry to be a stickler
But indy how likely is it that any of us have worms? I've never been de-wormed even though I've lived with dogs all my life and have had to de-worm them on numerous occasions. Reckon I should get me some of that dog medecine? Seriously!?

Pet

They feel the heat from your warm urine and traverse up the warm urine trail into your bladder.

Actually...they smell/taste the urea in your urine, and believing that your penis is a fish gill, they make their way into it. It's purely accidental. But the only way to get them out is to basically cut the penis open..

If your eyeball is flecked then you have worms

Flecked? How do you mean?

Yeah, a lot of people have worms, and don't realise it, because there are very few symptoms. Mostly it's constantly feeling tired, a lot of rumbling/gurgling in the lower abdomen (NOT the stomach), grinding your teeth at night and biting your nails. They're also believed to be more active around the full moon (sounds like bull****? well it's been proven that many plants and marine organisms are dramatically affected by the phases of the moon..so there..).

EDIT: (a non-medical perspective)

But indy how likely is it that any of us have worms? I've never been de-wormed even though I've lived with dogs all my life and have had to de-worm them on numerous occasions. Reckon I should get me some of that dog medecine? Seriously!?

The worms that dogs get are usually slightly different subspecies than the ones that infest humans..but there is a crossover..
If you thought you had worms, and didn't know what kind you had, you'd have to take hundreds of different types of medications..because there are helminths, flukes, ascarias, amoebas...the best bet, if you were "suspicious", would be to take some kind of all-round plant-based treatment, because there won't be any side effects, it won't harm you in any way, and they tend to work on a broad spectrum.
I give my dogs & cats a tincture called Clarkia, it's got wormwood, cloves and something else in it, it's made for humans though, so I take it every few weeks just in case.. you can get it here: http://www.total-cure.com/p/clarkia.html

(I'm not affiliated with it in any way, but it works pretty well on animals so I'd imagine it's even better for people).
Edit: it's not safe for horses though, they're sensitive to one of the ingredients.

Mossy Monk

Pet wrote:

But the only way to get them out is to basically cut the penis open..

sounds almost sexy

FranknFurter

Mossy Monk wrote:

sounds almost sexy

/Me Grabs crotch screams and runs away to hide in a corner and shudder!:eek:

DrIndy

Lump wrote:

No.

The are used to clear blood clots and stuff.

John

Leeches have growing medical use, the pharmaceutically purified form of their anticoagulant (blood thinner) is called Hirudin and is used in certain circumstances when people are allergic to other blood thinners.

Leeches that have been irradiated (to sterilise them) are sometimes used by some plastic surgeons in the USA to relieve blood congestion when they reattach a skin flap thats has been torn off during a traumatic incident.

Maggots are used too! Maggots can only feed on dead and rotting tissue and so they are used to treat infected feet that diabetics can sometime have. They are used in britain and are also irradiated for sterility. They will literally keep eating until there is no dead or infected tissue left and leave the wound spruced and cleaned. Once you get past the :eek: factor, they are very effective.

Worms come in all shapes, sizes and species. There is a lengthy list of different medicines needed dependent on the species. Most parasites are adapted to their role. It is not in their interest to harm the host too much as their survival is dependent on the hosts survival too. The trouble arises when worms adapted for a different animal (like dog, cat or pig) manage to infect a human. Their metabolism is out of sync and they start to do damage as a result. Tapeworms are a classic example of this. If you ingest the eggs, they can form hydatid cysts (sacs of fluid containing the parasite) that form in the liver, lungs and brain which are nasty.

Flecked? How do you mean?

This is filariasis - they are small nematodes that migrate throughout the body and can sometimes be seen as floaters when they swim across the tear film of your eye.......

They also cause elephantiasis where they obstruct the fluid drainage from (commonly) your legs and scrotum, resulting in enormous swelling (and I do mean enormous)...... :eek:

embee

Honest to goodness, I was reading this, and a little vomit came up my throat.

DrIndy

Hence, not posting any images......

ah, why not......

http://www.okc.cc.ok.us/biologylabs/Images/Animal_Images/elephantiasis.gif

pwd

1 in 7 people have them here, and one in three in France I heard!?
That might really undermine our attitudes about obesity in America.
"Actually, we're thinner because we have worms"

Their probable harmlessness doesn't prevent me from abhorring the idea of having them in my body. I'm a little freaked out thinking about the possibility.

You can get them from fish as well as beef and pork? Could smoked salmon have eggs in it then? What about raw meats like parma ham?

another reason never to "double dip"

DrIndy

raw fish is a definite possibility - fish tapeworms are more common in Norway due to the habit of eating raw fish. Smoked salmon is probably safe as the smoking should kill it off. Remember scandinavians eat fish raw, literally, its quite tasty albeit chewy.

I don't know about parma ham - but if its the genuine product, then the companies in question will be so obsessed with protecting their trademark, it would have to be food standard safe......

Nimrod's Son

It's funny cos worms aren't bad for you unless they're present en masse. They help strengthen your immune system.
Saw a programme where this woman had a weird condition where, basically, her immune system seemed to think her stomach was a foreign body and as such was constantly trying to reject it, leaving her doubled over with agonising cramps a lot of the time. Doctors had the idea of introducing worms into her digestive system to give her immune system something else to concentrate on and it worked.
Hail to the worms!

DrIndy

Your immune system uses a group of immunce cells called eosinophils and a class of antibody called IgE to attack parasitic infections.

This is in contrast with the mechanisms for fighting viruses and bacteria where the immune cells can swallow up the smaller organisms.

Since the parasites are huge, there is a specific attack mechanism.

The pattern also noted is allergies and asthma are guess what? IgE and Eosinophil mediated. There is strong evidence that in areas where parasites are common, asthma and allergies are rare and the reverse is the case in europe.....

pwd

Well I had pretty bad asthma until I reached puberty; whereupon it disappeared. I put this down to homronal or psychological changes. If in fact it was down to me contratcing worms, then my gut feeling is that I'd rather have kept the asthma.

DrIndy

pwd wrote:

Well I had pretty bad asthma until I reached puberty; whereupon it disappeared. I put this down to homronal or psychological changes. If in fact it was down to me contratcing worms, then my gut feeling is that I'd rather have kept the asthma.

unlikely, some people just grow out of asthma and other allergies.

Immune system is complex and still a big learning curve on how it really works....

worms are interesting creatures, they have such a :eek: factor involved......

pwd

DrIndy wrote:

unlikely, some people just grow out of asthma and other allergies.

I know...tbh I just couldn;t resist working in that "gut feeling" line

DrIndy

I spotted it and had a laugh

enjoy -
Warning - not for the faint hearted!

http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=2238&NEXTID=0&PREVID=2241&DISPLAYORDER=20050504225031&CAT=movies&NSFW=3&page=1

DrIndy

seen it, still trying to figure out what that actually is........ reckon its some kind of maggot......

You do get all sorts of strange critters in the southern states of the US....

Lump

DrIndy wrote:

Leeches have growing medical use, the pharmaceutically purified form of their anticoagulant (blood thinner) is called Hirudin and is used in certain circumstances when people are allergic to other blood thinners.

Leeches that have been irradiated (to sterilise them) are sometimes used by some plastic surgeons in the USA to relieve blood congestion when they reattach a skin flap thats has been torn off during a traumatic incident.

Isn't that what I said, but in english.

John

Kêrmêttê

This thread has kept me quite entertained while at work.
In fact... I think I encounter many wormy type beings during my working day! :eek:

shakaman

pwd wrote:

was told about some program on telly where they said about 1 in 7 people in this country have worms in their intestines. Is this true? How do you check?

Alot of kids get them....hence why Mammy is alwys givin out to you for scratchin your bum! When you look down in the loo after a number 2, you can see the little whities squirming around in it. Don't worry about a scratch but if there's an internal feeling to it, like an under the skin kinda thing.......you could be in trouble........Disgusting eh!

DrIndy

shakaman wrote:

Alot of kids get them....hence why Mammy is alwys givin out to you for scratchin your bum! When you look down in the loo after a number 2, you can see the little whities squirming around in it. Don't worry about a scratch but if there's an internal feeling to it, like an under the skin kinda thing.......you could be in trouble........Disgusting eh!

she's giving out for a good reason - hookworms crawl out and lay their sticky eggs on your perineum (skin around your anus). they are itchy, you scratch, you eat your dinner and then you're infected again........

moral of the story is if your arse is itchy get someone else to scratch it!

shakaman

DrIndy wrote:

she's giving out for a good reason - hookworms crawl out and lay their sticky eggs on your perineum (skin around your anus). they are itchy, you scratch, you eat your dinner and then you're infected again........

moral of the story is if your arse is itchy get someone else to scratch it!

DrIndy you are indeed a wise man!!

Pyr0

Deleted User wrote:

enjoy -
Warning - not for the faint hearted!

http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=2238&NEXTID=0&PREVID=2241&DISPLAYORDER=20050504225031&CAT=movies&NSFW=3&page=1

Jesus!! O_O thats horrible!!!

petes

I did not like that video yet still watched it. Interesting stuff yet a little bit disturbing. Everytime I scratch my arse now I'll be wondering....

Bri~

What if you had worms as a child and it went untreated. Would it affect you in a bad way, stunt your growth?

Some people have said that worms can be good for you, strengthen your imune system etc. But others have said that they can make you tired and you become malnourished.

Whats the truth, Dr Indy?!

DrIndy

Bri~ wrote:

What if you had worms as a child and it went untreated. Would it affect you in a bad way, stunt your growth?

Some people have said that worms can be good for you, strengthen your imune system etc. But others have said that they can make you tired and you become malnourished.

Whats the truth, Dr Indy?!

if you had a heavy infestation when young, then it probably would stunt your growth - remember when you eat, you have to feed them as well - so you're eating for 2 or more correctly a few hundred!

Pet

You can get them from fish as well as beef and pork?

Afai remember, a lot of the tapeworms aren't really harmful; they sit in your gut and absorb your food, that's pretty much it. HOWEVER, trichinellosis is a disease you can get from undercooked pork, and these worms are much more dangerous. Once the eggs reach your digestive tract, they hatch, and migrate through your body (a fever and severe illness ensues). They finally make their way into your muscles, where they form cysts. Once they're there, you can't get rid of them, and they make even simple movement painful and fatigue-inducing - you're stuck with them for life. (I'm probably wrong, but I think after ten years they start to calcify.) This is the main reason why pork is banned by nearly all major religions!!
Oh, and salting/smoking doesn't kill them - the meat has to be cooked properly to kill them.

pwd

so eating Parma ham is risking this condition?

More googling about tapeworms turned this up:

37.Cattle are also fed chicken manure, which may contain tapeworms, Giardia, antibiotic residues, arsenic and heavy metals. Federal inspectors report that animals that are visibly diseased, cattle infected with measles, tapeworms, and covered with abscesses are slaughtered and processed into meat. This is why the industry and the USDA are pushing meat irradiation rather then safety, health, and inspections as a solution.

Mmmmmmm yumsters! They're talking about MacDonalds btw.

Gordon

Pet wrote:

This is the main reason why pork is banned by nearly all major religions!!

I thought it was due to them being 'of cloven hoof'.

"You shall not eat any abominable things. And the pig, because it has a cloven hoof but does not chew the cud, you shall regard as unclean. You shall not eat their flesh or even touch their dead carcasses"

"avoid the blood and the flesh of swine, and do not eat any such thing on which someone´s else name has been pronounced except the name of Allah, subhaana wa ta´aala."

DrIndy

Pet wrote:

Afai remember, a lot of the tapeworms aren't really harmful; they sit in your gut and absorb your food, that's pretty much it. HOWEVER, trichinellosis is a disease you can get from undercooked pork, and these worms are much more dangerous. Once the eggs reach your digestive tract, they hatch, and migrate through your body (a fever and severe illness ensues). They finally make their way into your muscles, where they form cysts. Once they're there, you can't get rid of them, and they make even simple movement painful and fatigue-inducing - you're stuck with them for life. (I'm probably wrong, but I think after ten years they start to calcify.) This is the main reason why pork is banned by nearly all major religions!!
Oh, and salting/smoking doesn't kill them - the meat has to be cooked properly to kill them.

Thats the Hydatid Cysts I mentioned - nasty pieces of work if they get in the wrong place.

always cook your food, thoroughly.....

And NEVER eat yellow snow....

DrIndy

for more information - the trouble with worms are that there are so many different species. Roundworms and tapeworms can grow quite large, whereas hookworms and pinworms stay small.

Roundworm infestations can be quite heavy and the end result is sometimes obstruction of the gut due to a big ball of worms lodging and blocking everything on the way down......

Here's a picture: (WARNING! GRAPHIC)

http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/images/roundworm.jpg

lomb

DrIndy wrote:

for more information - the trouble with worms are that there are so many different species. Roundworms and tapeworms can grow quite large, whereas hookworms and pinworms stay small.

Roundworm infestations can be quite heavy and the end result is sometimes obstruction of the gut due to a big ball of worms lodging and blocking everything on the way down......

Here's a picture: (WARNING! GRAPHIC)

http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/images/roundworm.jpg

hmm tasty

Gordon

Noone can have that many in their intestines surely. /vom

Incidentally, anyone any ideas on what that maggot thing was on the girls neck?

tba

Ok i getting really paranoid now.

How do I go to the doc under the pretense of a checkup and convince him to check for worms?

DrIndy

Yes it unfortunately is possible to have that much - they eventually form a ball and block the bowel. The image is of a piece of bowel surgically removed because it was blocked up.

Here's another one: WARNING! GRAPHIC!
http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/images/worms2.jpg

This image was taken after the person was dewormed and all the dead worms were expelled.....

I think the girl had a blowfly maggot in her neck. They covered it with a plastic film to suffocate it before removal. They have grippers and so cannot be removed before killing them off......

Gordon

I'm amazed a person can live life with so many worms inside them. It must be impossible to sleep what with the late night parties and rock concerts.

DrIndy

Your belly becomes a bit distended and you are malnourished, but most people are not aware of a mild infestation - its only if it becomes excessive do the problems arise....