Rule 42 Changed

daveirl

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beller b

Indeed it is!!

DirtyHarry

can someone pls tell me why all the counties in northern Ireland voted no?

i read the times today and it didnt shed any light on it.

Tis true, its good croke park has opened its doors. Now i can get tickets to the rugby matches!!

Amz

Well the politics and segregation etc. would be more evident in Nothern Ireland so it's hardly surprising that they'd vote no, surely you don't need this explained to you?

daveirl

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Sangre

Amazing, can't wait to see how the atmosphere for an Irish international is like in Croke Park.

daveirl

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Sangre

Yeah good point but with ticket demands lately hopefully those who respect it will be able to enforce it on any minority.

Third_Echelon

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That'll be interesting alright... I'm sure the 'extra' crowd going to the internationals though will just be the people who couldn't usually get tickets for lansdowne road.

Do you think they'll go down a ticketmaster route because of the extra capacity?

Ruu_Old

good to see it remembering its temporary. at least the world can see more of Croke Park as stadium we can be proud to show off.

Third_Echelon

Ruu wrote:

good to see it remembering its temporary. at least the world can see more of Croke Park as stadium we can be proud to show off.

...apart from the hill 16 bit at the end, which will always bring croker down in my opinion... finish the god damn thing GAA!!! *shakes fist at GAA out of architectural outrage*

The_Conductor

The reason that it was repeatedly voted down in the past (along with the ban on members of the security forces playing Gaelic games) relates to the massacre in 1920, where Croke Park was invaded by security forces and 16 players shot dead on the field (the original bloody Sunday). Its not a segregation thing (Cork and Kilkenny voted "Nil" as well as the 6 northern counties)- for exactly the same reason.

In other news- its estimated that the IRFU may be charged upwards of 1.25 million per match for the use of the ground (ditto the FAI). Its thought that the first call for use of the ground may be Feb/March '07 by the IRFU and May/June '07 by the FAI......

The smaller GAA clubs are rubbing their hands in glee at the thought of new revenue streams coming on for them- as their share of the Croke Park rent money materialises.......

rugbug86

I cannot wait to go to work next week. Had a huge row about Rule 42 with them and now I can shove it where the sun don't shine... beside croker of course, because its so big... yeay, tickets!

Ron DMC

Well, there goes our history.

Croke Park used to mean something :mad:

/me sulks

Nukem

Well happy:D

bein listening to all the arguements on the radio all today and some i agree with and some i dont. Its GAA stadium they built they own it and its very nice they are letting the FAI & IRFU rent it. On the other hand what the hell was the problem they let American Football in and International rules(Still foreign sport) and not rugby & soccer.But i have to be annoyed at the FAI and the IRFU for such a sh!te job organizing the redvelopment of Lansdowne and the lack of grace in lettin it come to this.

Nukem

Guy:Incognito

Nukem wrote:

Well happy:D

bein listening to all the arguements on the radio all today and some i agree with and some i dont. Its GAA stadium they built they own it

With the help of a shedload of money from the government, which in turn means every single taxpayer in the country contibuted. It should have been a condition of them getting the money in the first place that they removed rule 42.

rugbug86

Stekelly wrote:

With the help of a shedload of money from the government, which in turn means every single taxpayer in the country contibuted. It should have been a condition of them getting the money in the first place that they removed rule 42.

i agree 1000000%!!! they got 130 million in funding to build croker and they aint even finished! (No stand over the hill) ok it might be finished but it doesnt look finished!

i reckon the gaa heads would complain if the govt. gave 130 million to the irfu to build a stadium.

and is this not a better solution than irish people travelling to cardiff for our home internationals???

daveirl

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Guy:Incognito

We (the IRFU & FAI) should take €130m worth of the stadium ( one stand would do) and use it to start a new stadium.

RuggieBear

Ronny Mitchell wrote:

Well, there goes our history.

Croke Park used to mean something :mad:

/me sulks

Fucking Pray tell......!?

Nukem

Stekelly wrote:

With the help of a shedload of money from the government, which in turn means every single taxpayer in the country contibuted. It should have been a condition of them getting the money in the first place that they removed rule 42.

Ya - i know but what the hell were the IRFU & FAI doin with all there money?
Fook knows its not goin on the development of the game in Ireland that all sponsorship. Just annoys me to see two professional institues p*ssing about while an amateur association can build such a class stadium and they we are left with Lansdowne road?

If i was the IRFU & FAI i would be severly embarrased and the GAA should be wetting themselves laughing at them.

Sangre

They have no problems building a new stadium, its the fact we have nowhere in Ireland to play in the mean time. Its pretty obvious.

And from what I have heard its a total overhaul with the new pitch perpendicular to the old one.

Third_Echelon

Sangre wrote:

They have no problems building a new stadium, its the fact we have nowhere in Ireland to play in the mean time. Its pretty obvious.

And from what I have heard its a total overhaul with the new pitch perpendicular to the old one.

I know how you feel Sangre.... I hate all that GAA 'holier than thou' cr@p, just because they built a stadium before the 'professional' organisations. The FAI and the IRFU have a hell of a lot more expenses than the GAA. The FAI have to pay players. World Cups dont come for free. They dont stay in hostels when they are playing away.

The IRFU have to pay every pro players wages in ireland. Brian O'Driscoll's current contract is rumoured to be around €500,000 per year. Not all players on this money, but they are getting decent wages... All this tots up to a big bill at the end of the year. These organisations dont run on thin air you know...

With the GAA being an amatuer organisation dont have the wages issue. Fair enough they pay expenses etc and pay for a few weeks in the canaries for teams etc, but i wouldn't imagine that they have the same monetary output of the other 2 organisations.

From what I've seen Sangre, the stadium will be staying at the current angle, but it is being moved over a bit so the dart tracks will be behind, rather than under the new west stand...

daveirl

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RuggieBear

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It's quite expensive taking 50+ IRFU officials/alickadoooooos (and their wifes) away to 5star hotels In England, Wales, France and scotland......from thursday thru sunday. Oh and basically put up all the same at the Berkley court for the home games (even those living in Dublin)....and pay for all their drinking and food.....while giving the players a ****ing pitiful allowance

daveirl

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Amz

You gotta love Ireland ...

RuggieBear

Amz wrote:

You gotta love Ireland ...

yeah......

Actually remember reading an article from a former player who was talking about how the officials always booked a hotel right in the middle of raucous Edinburgh for the themseleves and the players.....great if you want to be drinking to all hours but not much good if you want a peaceful night prior to playing a test match...

spanner

Third_Echelon wrote:

...apart from the hill 16 bit at the end, which will always bring croker down in my opinion... finish the god damn thing GAA!!! *shakes fist at GAA out of architectural outrage*

something with the history of hill 16(been built from the ruins of the GPO) should never be knocked down. we should remeber we are a guess in this statium and we never had a god given right to play their.

I dont agree with the northern counties but i do understand them, i was up for the wexford game(who are now in the first league final since 1945 come on wexford!!!) in crossmaglen in aramagh and no one should have to play sports under them conditions, they actually wait for the game to begin and then start to fly the helicopters over the pitch, and seemly during the hieght of the troubles it was alot worse, they would stop anyone from going into the game and once it began let them in in dribs and drabs. and remeber this means god save the queen is going to be played in croke park. the croke park that has a stand that bares the name of a player that was shot by the british army on the very pitch playing his game.


overall happy with the news and it just shows how far the GAA has come

LFCFan

People need to stop living in the past. All this crap about Union Jacks and God Save the Queen etc etc is just bigotry. We should be bigger than this. At the end of the day, Croke Park is a Stadium. A pretty damn good stadium and one that is under utilised. From a business point of view it wouldn't have been rediculous not to rent it out if needed. One of the arguments from certain camps was that GAA players dedicate their lives to the game and never get the play in Croke Park, and now non GAA players will get this opportunity. What about the International Rules Ozzie team? They aren't GAA heads and they get to play there? This argument stinks of 'if we can't play there, nobody can'. Grow up!

The whole world will get to see what a great Stadium the Irish can build when they put their minds to it. It might shame the FAI and IRFU into re-organising themselves!

spanner

lets remeber if this all goes ahead, we will now be playing in the biggest statium in the 6 nations competion

Stade de France, Paris croke park overall capacity 82,500
Capacity: 80,000

Millennium Stadium Cardiff Arms Park
Capacity:72,500

Twickenham
Capacity:75,000

Murrayfield Stadium
Capacity:67,500

Viale Maresciallo Pilsudski
Capacity: 25,000