omg, sorry, ul, gg...

Iago

[rant]I don't think any collection of letters have ever irritated me as much as the ones above. I'd never of believed myself capable of murderous violence at simple letters and txt speak but jesus wept if I have to look at one more set of sanctimonious, idiotic $hite from one more person who doesn't belong at a game of snap never mind poker I won't be responsible for my actions.

I have ways and means of hunting these people down, oh yes I do, and when I do there won't be enough left of them to identify the bodies..

Playing in a tourney yesterday, down to 15 players it was only for small money..1st was $300 I think and I had just over 20K in chips left. Blinds were at 1.2/2.4K but I was in a reasonable position and feeling confident. Then this hand happened..

Late position 1 limper before me, one player to act after me and I've got AKo, so there's 6K in the pot and that's enough for me, I'm going to take it preflop. Raise all-in, last player folds, SB Folds, BB calls for all his chips (slightly more than me) limper folds..

Golly AcKd
BB Qs5s

Flop As Kh 3h
Turn 2d
River 4s

commentary

BB: OMG....oh now you're surprised, you call an all-in bet with Q5s expecting to lose and you're shocked? I'm amazed you know the difference

BB: sorry...sorry? not half as sorry as I am you braindead twat, what in gods name where you doing calling that bet in the first place? more to the point why the fcuk are you rewarded for doing so!!

BB: ul...gg unlucky? you think? really? and good game, well it was until you and you're keyboard bashing monkey friends started playing at the same table as me and ruined my day. I'd lambast you but you wouldn't even know the difference or that you did something wrong

what made it worse is that he went on to win the fcuking tournament [/rant]

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I've been outdrawn on a ridiculous number of occasions over the last few days and it's whittled my bankroll away considerably. I'd like some thoughts on the following hands please, did I play them badly, what would you do? It's happening far too often to be coincidence, so I must be doing something wrong..

Hand 1
On the button AhKh, 9 handed, 3 limpers,blinds at 100/200, I've a stack of 4.5K I raise to 1,000. two callers. Flop comes down Ad 2s Th. Checked around to me I bet 800, one player goes all-in, I call. Player turns over A2o and I don't improve...


Hand 2
First to act QQ, 6 handed, blinds at 50/100, I've a stack of 2.5K. I raise to 300, all fold to the SB who goes all-in for 2K. I call and he turns over 55, hits his set on the river and I go out a few hands later.


Hand 3
Mid position JTs, 7 handed, blinds at 100-200, I've around 3K, I limp in with 3 other players. Flop comes down Jd 9s 5s. checked to me and I raise 400, two callers. Turn is 2s and the BB goes all-in for 1,500. I call and the other player folds. BB turns over 52o and hits a 2 on the river to complete the house..


Hand 4
BB QQ, 6 handed, blinds at 400/800 and I've just over 2K. Two limpers and it comes around to me. I check to see the flop. Flop comes down Qh Th 6s and I check, one of the limpers puts me all-in leaving him with 800 in chips if he loses the hand. He turns over kh3c and hits his heart to win the hand!

Someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong here, we all get lucky and unlucky at times but never have I had such a run of people outdrawing me.

Should I sacrifice a small goat to the gods or something?

biteme

hl

careca

Hands 2,3 and 4 just pure bad luck. nothing else. first one, I would have feared a set or A10, not the A2 mind you. Still its very hard to get away from. Unlucky just. As for that numbnut in the main hand, just hope you play against him everytime.

careca

biteme wrote:

hl

lol

I would suggest the goat option for you Iago!!!

PPP-Pit Boss

Papa Smut wrote:

I would suggest the goat option for you Iago!!!

vul

][cEMAN**

I've had the same bad luck in the last few days with strong hands (AA, KK, AK) being cracked. I went on a tilt and even blew up in another thread (uncalled for).

The only thing i've had to keep me level from losing all of my cash, was Dub13's suggestion of the 9x bracket strategy. That way instead of trying to get my cash back forcefully and going from $3 tables to $10 tables, I kept to the plan and kept on playing. I'm now slightly up, though as I mentioned in the other thread, it's mostly from pot intimidation and (imo) lucking out a win on a good hand. At this point I wonder if any hand is better than another. I'm probably still on tilt - I just need to focus more.

PPP-Pit Boss

Iago wrote:

[rant]I don't think any collection of letters have ever irritated me as much as the ones above. I'd never of believed myself capable of murderous violence at simple letters and txt speak but jesus wept if I have to look at one more set of sanctimonious, idiotic $hite from one more person who doesn't belong at a game of snap never mind poker I won't be responsible for my actions.

I have ways and means of hunting these people down, oh yes I do, and when I do there won't be enough left of them to identify the bodies..

Playing in a tourney yesterday, down to 15 players it was only for small money..1st was $300 I think and I had just over 20K in chips left. Blinds were at 1.2/2.4K but I was in a reasonable position and feeling confident. Then this hand happened..

Late position 1 limper before me, one player to act after me and I've got AKo, so there's 6K in the pot and that's enough for me, I'm going to take it preflop. Raise all-in, last player folds, SB Folds, BB calls for all his chips (slightly more than me) limper folds..

Golly AcKd
BB Qs5s

Flop As Kh 3h
Turn 2d
River 4s

commentary

BB: OMG....oh now you're surprised, you call an all-in bet with Q5s expecting to lose and you're shocked? I'm amazed you know the difference

BB: sorry...sorry? not half as sorry as I am you braindead twat, what in gods name where you doing calling that bet in the first place? more to the point why the fcuk are you rewarded for doing so!!

BB: ul...gg unlucky? you think? really? and good game, well it was until you and you're keyboard bashing monkey friends started playing at the same table as me and ruined my day. I'd lambast you but you wouldn't even know the difference or that you did something wrong

what made it worse is that he went on to win the fcuking tournament [/rant]

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I've been outdrawn on a ridiculous number of occasions over the last few days and it's whittled my bankroll away considerably. I'd like some thoughts on the following hands please, did I play them badly, what would you do? It's happening far too often to be coincidence, so I must be doing something wrong..

Hand 1
On the button AhKh, 9 handed, 3 limpers,blinds at 100/200, I've a stack of 4.5K I raise to 1,000. two callers. Flop comes down Ad 2s Th. Checked around to me I bet 800, one player goes all-in, I call. Player turns over A2o and I don't improve...


Hand 2
First to act QQ, 6 handed, blinds at 50/100, I've a stack of 2.5K. I raise to 300, all fold to the SB who goes all-in for 2K. I call and he turns over 55, hits his set on the river and I go out a few hands later.


Hand 3
Mid position JTs, 7 handed, blinds at 100-200, I've around 3K, I limp in with 3 other players. Flop comes down Jd 9s 5s. checked to me and I raise 400, two callers. Turn is 2s and the BB goes all-in for 1,500. I call and the other player folds. BB turns over 52o and hits a 2 on the river to complete the house..


Hand 4
BB QQ, 6 handed, blinds at 400/800 and I've just over 2K. Two limpers and it comes around to me. I check to see the flop. Flop comes down Qh Th 6s and I check, one of the limpers puts me all-in leaving him with 800 in chips if he loses the hand. He turns over kh3c and hits his heart to win the hand!

Someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong here, we all get lucky and unlucky at times but never have I had such a run of people outdrawing me.

Should I sacrifice a small goat to the gods or something?

No really though.. there is nothing worse. I do not see any problem whatsoever with your play but it is awful when no matter what you have AND what you flop your just keep getting unlucky.. on the other hand there are times when the reverse is the case. When the cards cannot be kind enough. I bet you felt like slapping him. Idiot!

Hee hee, I was playing with play money yesterday and cracked KK and QQ with a straight. My cards? 23 off

I felt so guilty!!

Imposter

I'm at a stage too where I dread having TT, JJ, QQ or KK. I either get sucked out on, a higher card hits the flop, come up against a higher pp or only get the blinds. I'd say I win a pot (not just blinds) about 10% of the time with these (well it seems like this anyway). AK is another one that i'm seriously contemplating not raising with preflop.

The boards game last night was the same. Got great cards but never (or very rarely) a caller when i'd a top hand.

Krusty_Clown

With the popularity of online poker growing exponentially, it is quite likely that the longer we play at the same limits, the worse the standard/quality of poker gets.. Maybe we need to move up the limits with our peer group (i.e. those others who started playing at the same time as us)..

PPP-Pit Boss: Any graphs or figures for the growth of PaddyPower account holders since inception? (although being the new kid on the block - this wouldn't be very representative)..

This was the final hand of a $10 STT at the weekend (opponent all-in).
Me: KK / Opponent: A5o
Flop: K77
Turn: 7
River: K
Not a bad-beat, but a sweet hand nonetheless!

Got my first straight flush on Sunday too...

PPP-Pit Boss

You have a very good point there. I made a decision a while back that I would quit playing low stakes tournements online as I was finding I could not even begin to gauge the reaction of others based on hand odds. Having said that why would shark play fish at all if there was no benefit?
Graphs at this early stage of inception really would not be showing us conclusive evidence. I can tell you that overall players improve with time. But then is this bad players improving? Or is this the staying power of the skilled player? Ah the analysists nightmare.

BrendanB

One of the dubious benefits of being a poker playing bum is that The Practice is on at some point during the night on ITV. Recently the head senior partner dude had a bit of a crisis of vocation and creatively by accident sold out his murderer client to save a little girl. Everyone knew his days as a defence attorney were numbered.

Iago, you need to stop playing for a bit before you kill someone. Take a break. Play some chess. Go for a jog, have a game of golf.

Either that or Tom will have to resurrect 1550-BAD-BEAT.

There's an idea for PPP. Instead of clicking for a manager, you could get a 'listen lady'. Someone caring. Maybe her name could be eliza.

Iago

BrendanB wrote:

Iago, you need to stop playing for a bit before you kill someone. Take a break. Play some chess. Go for a jog, have a game of golf.

Anyone fancy a game of chess? or a race or a game of golf? say €100 Freezeout?? maybe one rebuy if you lose your queen

you're right though Brendan, you're right...not that I'll follow your words but you're right

john_g83

BrendanB wrote:

Maybe her name could be eliza.

even though I've heard they have been doing great things with artificial intelligence I can't imagine her being too sympathetic:

you: Damn just lost to a two outer on the river
Eliza: Describe this river
You: WTF !?!
Eliza: I'm sorry I don't under stand please rephrase
you: for gods sake
Eliza: Can you elaborate on that?
so on and so on

karlh

they could send hugs instead of pizza!?

BigDragon

After I wrote an article for antesup.com on poker in Grosvenor casino in Walsall where I descirbed "car crash poker" a guy I know from Stoke bought the domain name carcrashpoker.com.

He is looking into actually building a site for the rants of people inflicted with badbeatitis.

I'll put him in touch. I'm sure the site would be looking for regular writers!!!

Shortstack

Iago wrote:

Late position 1 limper before me, one player to act after me and I've got AKo, so there's 6K in the pot and that's enough for me, I'm going to take it preflop. Raise all-in, last player folds, SB Folds, BB calls for all his chips (slightly more than me) limper folds..

Golly AcKd
BB Qs5s

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He does have more straight options than you (a point which is proven by the fact that he hit one). However I prefer Q 5 off suit as it gives you two more flush draws.
10 5 off suit is the best possible hand as you have the max straight draws and flush draws.
Sacrificing goats will not work, however if you find a scandinavian with a habit of shouting JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA then sacrificing him may help.
If you wish the flop to hit you then always bet 3.79456 times the blinds (3.79452 on Party). Of course if he has typed in "nh" then this renders your raise useless.
Facing your monitor due south in the winter and due north in the summer will increase your win % by 33%.
If you are looking for a split pot wait 15.46 secs before calling.
If you want to be dealt aces then type 'rocket 220/1 take off' in the chat box 3 hands before you wish to recieve them.

Hope this helps.

NickyOD

A chap in the Fitz made a call on Saturday that I was left scratching my head over.

flop came 4 6 6 with 2 spades. I was in the BB with 78 of spade (gutshot straight flush draw). UTG bet the pot and MP player calls. I had to my hand down though. I figured MP coud be slow playing or drawing to a bigger flush, and also that UTG was going to push on the turn regardless so I folded. Turn was a 7 and UTG pushed. MP called. UTG had KQ, MP had A5 off. WTF? River was a non spade K. Guy in MP nearly slams the table in disgust at the bad beat after making what he called a "great call". He played A5 off from MP and called a pot size bet from UTG with the BB to act behind him on a flop that the BB could have a big piece of.

Sometimes you got to just put you're puss suit on and fold, even if you do think you might be ahead.

mewso

Funny to hear talk of playing in higher limits. Imo with VC as an example the difference between say a $3 STT and a $10 one is negligible. I have been playing alot of $10 STTs on vc recently nd play is simply atrocious. I tend to finish in the money quite often by playing very passively early on and out playing bad players post-flop. Iago I think your JT hand is a good example of where you should have folded. Bad players overbet good hands so his all-in would be a huge warning sign to me. Bad players almost always check when they miss the flop so when I'm one on one and I'm checked into a bet very often takes it. This is particularly valuable later on with less players remaining, the blinds are high and you have the bad players sussed.
I'll leave the final word to Hector Jelly who when his all-in was called last night by K9 to knock him out referred to the call as a retardocall. A new poker term for a new poker world.

Hectorjelly

musician wrote:

Iago I think your JT hand is a good example of where you should have folded. Bad players overbet good hands so his all-in would be a huge warning sign to me. Bad players almost always check when they miss the flop so when I'm one on one and I'm checked into a bet very often takes it. This is particularly valuable later on with less players remaining, the blinds are high and you have the bad players sussed.

I thought the exact same thing about the JT hand, once you bet and are called in two spots the chances of being ahead are very slim, however I read it again and it looks like Iago hit the flush on turn,

bohsman

In fairness Muso $10stt is not exactly higher limits than $3 The difference appears when you get to say $50stt Ive only played the $25 on VC but play was terrible

Iago

sometimes you just have to laugh

Hand id : 2932832-43
Board cards : 8c 4d 8d 9d 8h

Main pot : 2,100
instag8r ....... Tc 4s
Golly ....... Kd 7d

instag8r wins 2,100 with Full House : 8s full of 4s

and the next hand

Hand id : 2932832-54
Board cards : 7h Jc 8c 8h Th

Main pot : 860
sashman ....... 9h 6c
instag8r ....... Ks Kh

sashman wins 860 with Straight JT987

Iago

Hectorjelly wrote:

I thought the exact same thing about the JT hand, once you bet and are called in two spots the chances of being ahead are very slim, however I read it again and it looks like Iago hit the flush on turn,

I did hit the flush on the turn

Waylander

Maybe it is simply a case of tournament selection Iago. If you are playing freerolls and micro tournies then you are going to get alot of players who are starting out and simply do not know any better. Then there are the experienced players who just go into those tournies to vent or to just have a bit of fun. Are alot of the tournies you enter low entry buyins?

mewso

bohsman wrote:

In fairness Muso $10stt is not exactly higher limits than $3 The difference appears when you get to say $50stt Ive only played the $25 on VC but play was terrible

I agree but I was pointing it out because alot of people here seem to think it's a big difference. My mistake on the JT. Lets not lose sight of the main thing here though. Retardocall is a great word.

Iago

Waylander wrote:

Maybe it is simply a case of tournament selection Iago. If you are playing freerolls and micro tournies then you are going to get alot of players who are starting out and simply do not know any better. Then there are the experienced players who just go into those tournies to vent or to just have a bit of fun. Are alot of the tournies you enter low entry buyins?

That's the surprising thing, most of the tournies are reasonable buyin events.

A lot of the bad beats come from the $10 and $15 STTs, they're profitable in the long run...just very irritating at the time

Muso is right thought, retardocall is where the focus should be, we should all use it every time we get beaten

If enough of us use it often enough then maybe it'll make it into the dictionary, a bit like bouncebackability

Lafortezza

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Iago

got one back

Hand id : 2935747-20
Board cards : Ac Jh 7d Jd 3s

Main pot : 4,430
golly ....... Js Kc
kitsolution ....... Th Ah

golly wins 4,430 with 3 of a Kind: Jacks

although it was just after losing with QQ against Ako that hit a flush... still one back

Lafortezza

Iago you've really got to stop creating all these threads about bad beats and about how you're getting outdrawn all the time. Every time you get 72o from now on raise on every street and soon you'll be outdrawing people too...

DapperGent

Hand id : 2361378-12129
Board cards : 3s As Ah 4d 2s

Side pot 1 : $66.97
DapperG ....... 6s 5s 4s 4c

DapperG wins $66.97 with Straight Flush 5432A

Main pot : $200.81
DapperG ....... 6s 5s 4s 4c
CUEGIRL ....... Qh Ad 8h 3c

DapperG wins $200.81 with Straight Flush 5432A


Bad Beat!!

NickyOD

DapperGent wrote:

Board cards : 3s As Ah 4d 2s
Side pot 1 : $66.97
DapperG ....... 6s 5s 4s 4c
DapperG wins $66.97 with Straight Flush 5432A
Main pot : $200.81
DapperG ....... 6s 5s 4s 4c
CUEGIRL ....... Qh Ad 8h 3c
DapperG wins $200.81 with Straight Flush 5432A

That's a very nice suckout there sir. I'd be proud of that one. Well done!

zonemelt

Iago wrote:

Hand 1
On the button AhKh, 9 handed, 3 limpers,blinds at 100/200, I've a stack of 4.5K I raise to 1,000. two callers. Flop comes down Ad 2s Th. Checked around to me I bet 800, one player goes all-in, I call. Player turns over A2o and I don't improve...


Hand 2
First to act QQ, 6 handed, blinds at 50/100, I've a stack of 2.5K. I raise to 300, all fold to the SB who goes all-in for 2K. I call and he turns over 55, hits his set on the river and I go out a few hands later.


Hand 3
Mid position JTs, 7 handed, blinds at 100-200, I've around 3K, I limp in with 3 other players. Flop comes down Jd 9s 5s. checked to me and I raise 400, two callers. Turn is 2s and the BB goes all-in for 1,500. I call and the other player folds. BB turns over 52o and hits a 2 on the river to complete the house..


Hand 4
BB QQ, 6 handed, blinds at 400/800 and I've just over 2K. Two limpers and it comes around to me. I check to see the flop. Flop comes down Qh Th 6s and I check, one of the limpers puts me all-in leaving him with 800 in chips if he loses the hand. He turns over kh3c and hits his heart to win the hand!

Someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong here, we all get lucky and unlucky at times but never have I had such a run of people outdrawing me.

Should I sacrifice a small goat to the gods or something?

I should really read the other replies first, but here goes...

Hand 1: You've been check raised all in on the flop. You can fold this as you're being told that they're not afraid of an ace. But only if he covers you, as if you're beaten you may effectively be drawing dead or to 3 outs.

Hand 2: Got your money in as a 4:1 favourite

Hand 3: Got your money in as a 5:1 favourite I think

Hand 4: Should have got your money in as a favourite by raising preflop, imo